Greyhounds/lurchers

[socks 32,253]

bell ends ananymous is it. idiots!! Greyhounds have evolved into modern SPRINTERS ONLY! They do not have any real staminer, they are not tough, they are not hardy. Lurcher men require much more than any greyhound could give. The same old argument on and on and on. WHY THE F DO LURCHERS EXIST THEN? We should all go and get a pure greyhound.

 

you really are a fecking retard ... nobody has ever said on this whole fecking thread that greyhounds can do the job a lurcher can or that a lurcher is not needed .... unless you are seeing things nobody else is ..........

[MikeTheDog 153]

Clap clap fella im certainly not your mucka ya fool talk properly will ya............ i didnt say that but yet i suppose you have had more greyhounds then me and my family doubt it very very much yes they have no brians in the feild and on the track there a one minded dog they dont see things other dogs see there gameness but more gamness ... would you wreckon a bull hound is less game then a greyhound then? iv seen a fair few stand and watch a hare run from them and not budge greyhounds that is..... i didnt say they had bad skin .... and there feets ar not the best if i breed a lurcher i dont breed for new feet i breed for improvment.........

 

Sorry mukka...I mean mate I wasn't suggesting you refered to their skin, I picked that up from someone else in this thread, I should have worded it different.

 

Regarding the gameness of a Bullhound, that's off topic but as you asked. I think they're certainly tuff and maybe a little punch drunk, just the ticket for them that want to look hard and take fox, all dogs are game just some more than others.

[MikeTheDog 153]

Greyhounds have evolved into modern SPRINTERS ONLY! They do not have any real staminer, they are not tough, they are not hardy.

 

What about the coursing greyhounds?

[Terrier man 38]

Clap clap fella im certainly not your mucka ya fool talk properly will ya............ i didnt say that but yet i suppose you have had more greyhounds then me and my family doubt it very very much yes they have no brians in the feild and on the track there a one minded dog they dont see things other dogs see there gameness but more gamness ... would you wreckon a bull hound is less game then a greyhound then? iv seen a fair few stand and watch a hare run from them and not budge greyhounds that is..... i didnt say they had bad skin .... and there feets ar not the best if i breed a lurcher i dont breed for new feet i breed for improvment.........

 

Sorry mukka...I mean mate I wasn't suggesting you refered to their skin, I picked that up from someone else in this thread, I should have worded it different.

 

Regarding the gameness of a Bullhound, that's off topic but as you asked. I think they're certainly tuff and maybe a little punch drunk, just the ticket for them that want to look hard and take fox, all dogs are game just some more than others.

 

 

yes bang on but yet look hard i own one bull hound and had a few and never look for the hardness from other people??

 

I have ran a fair few greyhounds on foxes lets say 6 and out of them only 3 did it these dogs where not track but open coursing dogs and the 3 that did stayed at it but didnt want to run after 2 good runs 1 blue dog used try and retrive foxes they can make good dogs in the feild if reared in one all the racers iv reard have all bein reared in big open paddocks on farms..

Edited July 13, 2008 by Terrier man

[MikeTheDog 153]

Would you not agree though that all greyhounds have the stamina for fox? After all the average grey' must be nearly three times the size/weight of a fox. As for not wanting to go on after two or three runs, that could be down to brains!...Natural predators don't want to get hurt taking their prey for obvious reasons. Where as the average terrier/bullx is a little thick/punch drunk, not necessarily a bad thing if fox was your chosen target.

[Terrier man 38]

Would you not agree though that all greyhounds have the stamina for fox? After all the average grey' must be nearly three times the size/weight of a fox. As for not wanting to go on after two or three runs, that could be down to brains!...Natural predators don't want to get hurt taking their prey for obvious reasons. Where as the average terrier/bullx is a little thick/punch drunk, not necessarily a bad thing if fox was your chosen target.

 

I do agree that they have the stamina but yet lose the sence of direction on foxes that most ar on about like the likes of fellas taking dogs fresh off the track and running them on foxes... alot of track greyhounds have never seen a green feild no mind a fox with its tail in the air going to the left then springing off right but in time they slowly get used to it where the coursing greyhounds ar more then used to the jinking of game...

 

You see mike with them greyhounds its not brains and its not down to hurt taking there prey its down to that they physicly cant run on no more... alot have to nearly be carried out of the feild they get so nackered from it with alot in the feild they dont run like on the track they dont come FA and dont SW and FW as they say on the track but yet they run to there hearts content....

[whin 463]

socks i was talking to dave sliegth a good freind and pretty genuine as dogs go and has done whats he set out to do , my ole colli line comes from dave and are very good animals got a mateing to simliar blood out of my ole bitch through dave gota three qaurter grey one qaurt whippet she runs a long way and can catch whta put on offer no broken toes one stopper feched my fault but al in all shees a good animal and an ideal dog to breed from saw some realy good greyhounds thta took hares roe foxes etc and on the good ground they dont bust up but you ned to no what type to get cheers ill tell dave you were asking for him

[juckler123 707]

Plenty of good greys around years ago on the travellers sites before the salukis became popular most only had a couple of runs in them some had more but good catch dogs some good rabbiters too ive known a few lads use em on deer but horses for courses its obvious why we use lurchers good bloodlines is everything but if for whatever reason one litter was indifferent id be looking for the cause sometimes you may have to lose stamina or brain for speed but you have to be prepared for having to go another generation to get back on track just like terriers and pits if it comes to that.

Id sooner stick with bloodlines that have produced over the years a good lurcher strain well mogrelised should produce the goods if the breeder knows what hes doing.

[doga 50]

original point,no records of lurcher breeding kept as is with greyhounds,two obviously different animals big money on the right grey blood,there a betting animal your average moucher isnt,records for some maybe i would love to have the facility to do it but as with all in life to many conflicts of interest through peoples personalitys.

[sandymere 8,263]

Back to the original question. Breeding from inherited rather than proven abilities is used in greyhounds, horses and occaisionally lurchers. My pups dam has never worked but the line is well proven, she has good movement and a good temprement, for a bull cross, so was happy to except her credentials as a brood when covered by a well bred working sire.

 

Greyhounds feet are variable but as the impact they are put under is greater than most lurchers they tend to suffer more injuries, greater speed greater impact forces. That goes for skin as well. Greyhounds are sprinters, some more so than others, but so are most lurchers these days, any lurcher that 3/4 greyhound or whippet is a sprinter. A greyhound that can stay over 600mts probably has more stamina than the average lurcher these days. What you need to bear in mind is that conditioning plays an important role. As a permit trainer I needed a greyhound to perform in one massive effort 3x a fortnight so trained then for that, pure speed endurance, whereas my lurchers were trained for fast recovery to enable multiple efforts over a number of hours. Now i worked a few of the greyhounds post racing and they are ok but it's not what they are bred for and haven't been for many years, even the coursers are bred for collecting points rather than catching. But if a greyhound has decent feet and stayed and competed on the track for a couple of years then, if healthy, will have the genetics that, even when mixed with your average, poorly bred and badly conformed bull or collie, can produce a bloody good lurcher.

[whin 463]

my thre qaurtergreyhound cross boy blue can stay her mother can stay won races at 12oo meters ive chased three hares in a day with her ,twenty bolting rabbs flushed two roe big chases she caught the lot in big ole feilds on diffrent occaisions , etc no fences to hamper her shees a good as a dog ive seen for the pure sighthound type , and can run like a saluk a bit when on a chase none of this over shooting tight bends and pressure , i worked her hard the first two seasons and she never broke so anybody who thinks greyhound dogs cant stay wel there welcome to see her any day in the season when fit very handy dog , calm sensible etc , ye a credit to its type but i must say her brother was the same , but ive saw lots who wernt so i wouldnt run out and buy one cheers

[Guest ooty]

my thre qaurtergreyhound cross boy blue can stay her mother can stay won races at 12oo meters ive chased three hares in a day with her ,twenty bolting rabbs flushed two roe big chases she caught the lot in big ole feilds on diffrent occaisions , etc no fences to hamper her shees a good as a dog ive seen for the pure sighthound type , and can run like a saluk a bit when on a chase none of this over shooting tight bends and pressure , i worked her hard the first two seasons and she never broke so anybody who thinks greyhound dogs cant stay wel there welcome to see her any day in the season when fit very handy dog , calm sensible etc , ye a credit to its type but i must say her brother was the same , but ive saw lots who wernt so i wouldnt run out and buy one cheers

iv bred a fair few lurchers and own a few g,hounds to breed with. iv kept records of all the dogs iv bred and where they went . the first bitch i had was very handy dog,took very well to the mooching i do,also took hare after hare,sit quietly waiting on a rabbit warren,bit usless at jumping.had to throw her over gates ,fences etc, others best not even let off the lead.mostly iv bred and worked boarder collie cross lurchers although i now have a youg bull x aswell this year,as far as breedig goes on the g,hound side,always go for the best you can get,but then whats the differance between a fast one and a slow one???iv seen the raceing kennals turn up at hankocks with a van and just empty the whole van for brood bitches,the last daylight they'l see was what i herd,so the so called top lines of collie lurcher in the world dont see a problem with what they use,greyhoung blood is very pure and faut free,the dogs have to be good or they dont make it to the track. Edited July 15, 2008 by ooty

[whin 463]

always go for the best dog you can get plus ones who are sound feet wise wrists etc , only way cant see the piont of breeding from greyhouds with feet trouble etc

[socks 32,253]

socks i was talking to dave sliegth a good freind and pretty genuine as dogs go and has done whats he set out to do , my ole colli line comes from dave and are very good animals got a mateing to simliar blood out of my ole bitch through dave gota three qaurter grey one qaurt whippet she runs a long way and can catch whta put on offer no broken toes one stopper feched my fault but al in all shees a good animal and an ideal dog to breed from saw some realy good greyhounds thta took hares roe foxes etc and on the good ground they dont bust up but you ned to no what type to get cheers ill tell dave you were asking for him

 

you can tell dave what the feck you want ............

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Feck me,.its amazing how quickly a simple thread can go 'off topic'...

 

Edited July 14, 2008 by CHALKWARREN