bigmal 0 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Hi guys Is there anyone belonging to a ratting pack in Hull or Humberside who would consider me bringing my border puppy along to get some experiance.Failing that are there any guys out there intersted in forming our own ratting pack. Mal Hull East Yorkshire Quote Link to post
marko 30 Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 good luck on the ratting mate i have a border myself and we work rats with a few more borders they can take a while to bring on so dont start the pup off to young 10-12 mths and be patient hope i aint telling you how to suck eggs. Quote Link to post
shell 42 Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 bigmal - reply from another mal (my husband)... had borders since i was about 11, in west yorkshire as opposed to east. Don't believe this shite that marko is passing onto you that borders are slow and don't try to rats until they are 10-12 months. I take my pups out with the adults from the day they have had their jabs, if they get too tired I slip them in the game bag. Borders are put down as being slow to enter because half of the people are too frightened to do anything with them as they cost £400. No dog ever learnt anything by being left at home in kennels until it was 12 months old. If you've got a Border and it isn't showing serious amounts of interest by the time its 12-18 months old, and catching stuff regular, it's probably never gonna make the grade. even if it does, why would you want to breed from something that took until it was 2 or 3 year old to enter. People stating that Borders are slow to enter, is why borders are in the state they are in now. A top show breeder once said to us 'borders aren't patterdales, and they don't enter at the same sort of rate' - what did north country farmers do before there were patterdales? They work borders! Malc P.S we don't get over your way with ours... but we do get to north lincs. Quote Link to post
bigmal 0 Posted July 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 bigmal - reply from another mal (my husband)... had borders since i was about 11, in west yorkshire as opposed to east. Don't believe this shite that marko is passing onto you that borders are slow and don't try to rats until they are 10-12 months. I take my pups out with the adults from the day they have had their jabs, if they get too tired I slip them in the game bag. Borders are put down as being slow to enter because half of the people are too frightened to do anything with them as they cost £400. No dog ever learnt anything by being left at home in kennels until it was 12 months old. If you've got a Border and it isn't showing serious amounts of interest by the time its 12-18 months old, and catching stuff regular, it's probably never gonna make the grade. even if it does, why would you want to breed from something that took until it was 2 or 3 year old to enter. People stating that Borders are slow to enter, is why borders are in the state they are in now. A top show breeder once said to us 'borders aren't patterdales, and they don't enter at the same sort of rate' - what did north country farmers do before there were patterdales? They work borders! Malc P.S we don't get over your way with ours... but we do get to north lincs. Quote Link to post
MRD 3 Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 (edited) bigmal - reply from another mal (my husband)... had borders since i was about 11, in west yorkshire as opposed to east. Don't believe this shite that marko is passing onto you that borders are slow and don't try to rats until they are 10-12 months. I take my pups out with the adults from the day they have had their jabs, if they get too tired I slip them in the game bag. Borders are put down as being slow to enter because half of the people are too frightened to do anything with them as they cost £400. No dog ever learnt anything by being left at home in kennels until it was 12 months old. If you've got a Border and it isn't showing serious amounts of interest by the time its 12-18 months old, and catching stuff regular, it's probably never gonna make the grade. even if it does, why would you want to breed from something that took until it was 2 or 3 year old to enter. People stating that Borders are slow to enter, is why borders are in the state they are in now. A top show breeder once said to us 'borders aren't patterdales, and they don't enter at the same sort of rate' - what did north country farmers do before there were patterdales? They work borders! Malc P.S we don't get over your way with ours... but we do get to north lincs. I've got Borders of Oxcroft/ Warrfinn lines, Very, very good ratters. When people say Borders don't do this and Borders don't do that 99% of the time they have never had Borders and know feek all about them. I like them because they are very steady in most working situations and very loyal. MRD Edited July 11, 2008 by MRD Quote Link to post
bigmal 0 Posted July 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 bigmal - reply from another mal (my husband)... had borders since i was about 11, in west yorkshire as opposed to east. Don't believe this shite that marko is passing onto you that borders are slow and don't try to rats until they are 10-12 months. I take my pups out with the adults from the day they have had their jabs, if they get too tired I slip them in the game bag. Borders are put down as being slow to enter because half of the people are too frightened to do anything with them as they cost £400. No dog ever learnt anything by being left at home in kennels until it was 12 months old. If you've got a Border and it isn't showing serious amounts of interest by the time its 12-18 months old, and catching stuff regular, it's probably never gonna make the grade. even if it does, why would you want to breed from something that took until it was 2 or 3 year old to enter. People stating that Borders are slow to enter, is why borders are in the state they are in now. A top show breeder once said to us 'borders aren't patterdales, and they don't enter at the same sort of rate' - what did north country farmers do before there were patterdales? They work borders! Malc P.S we don't get over your way with ours... but we do get to north lincs. Hi there Mal hope you do;nt think I;m being cheeky gut I would be willing to travel to get his first kill.I have been goinh on the border terier world web site and have been decried for letting him hunt rabbit but he realy loves it.He has been surprisingly easy to train but still loves to go of and play with other dogs but always comes back to the whistle/Hers a pic of him at 8 months ild with his first rat lol Mal Quote Link to post
shell 42 Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Hiya bigmal I'd certainly meet up with you and take you down into north lincs when we next go down, but it depends on the crops/vegetation dying down at the end of the year. If you just wanted a mooching day out, and your dog is well broken to stock, if you were willing to travel over here I'd take you out on some of my permission, mostly rabbit, and whatever else comes up during the day. We're near Skipton. As for people decrying you for hunting rabbit... most of these people on BTW will say you shouldn't work them to rabbit as when you enter them to ground to fox, they will more than likely give gob to rabbits while to ground, because rabbits will live in the side galleries to fox. To be fair, most of these people on that website have never worked a dog (they'll tell you different), most of their info is gained from reading plummer books and the likes. Burt Gripton once told me if you can't tell the difference of what your terrier is baying at to ground, you shouldn't be in the game! Most terriers will open up to rabbit to ground, giving excited squeals, but when they are at big stuff, they'll bay like thunder! Or just get stuck in! it's a pain in the arse when they open up to rabbit to ground, but it's a bloody thick terrier that you can't call off rabbit! If I saved my terriers purely for fox to ground, I'd get little digging and probably little enjoyment, and a dog to feed 12 months of the year for perhaps a dozen digs! PM me if you fancy a trail over for a day out. Malc Quote Link to post
Butler 396 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 People keeping borders just for rats and rabbits plus the fact that if they don't make the grade they can always have a litter is the reason borders today are in the mess they are. If you want a ratting/bushing dog buy a plummer and if you want to win rosettes get something pedigree and show at crufts not working dog shows. Quote Link to post
bigmal 0 Posted July 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 People keeping borders just for rats and rabbits plus the fact that if they don't make the grade they can always have a litter is the reason borders today are in the mess they are. If you want a ratting/bushing dog buy a plummer and if you want to win rosettes get something pedigree and show at crufts not working dog shows. Hi butler Can you tell me why you are so biast against Border Terriers I't one of the only pedigree breads were the working ability is still bred into them. I have a border terrier because I liKe the breed it's a good companian good natured abediant, trained to the whistle and I love seing him hunt we are not all able to dig foxes and even want to, I bought my dog for a companian after a very longe illnes and he as give me some thing to keep me going .So do'nt have a go at others doing there own thing, aspecialy when your talking a load of BOLLOCKS. Quote Link to post
mart123blue 0 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) Hi Big Mal,I remember we were both posting on BTW at the same time and both got the same reaction - anyway this site is a million times better, and not full of middle aged women in self knitted jumpers with paw prints on. I have certainly found people on this site to be very helpful and had a great night out lamping with some guys off here a couple of weeks back. Although some of those that were most unhelpful do post, e.g. D B. Like you my dog is a companion first, but I do like to see her hunt so hopefully I can break her to ferrets so I can get out this winter with some of the members round my way. I understand that people love digging to their dogs but I don't see why we can't all do what we want without being bombasted.Good luck bud. p.s. you seem like a really helpful person Shell/Malc, any tips for breaking the dogs to stock, ferrets etc. Mine is ok with horses and cows but not so clever with sheep Edited July 12, 2008 by mart123blue Quote Link to post
mick 7 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Why buy a plummer for ratting and rabbits when a border will do just as well We meet up every sunday theres 4 borders and a border x pat they love it Mick.. Quote Link to post
marko 30 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) my border has been out with the other borders and lurcher and whippet since she was 13 wks old she comes of good working stock and is coming along ok everyone has an opinion but as i aint a kid no more and have just on 30 yrs experience ratting i think i know what im on about it aint shite just an opinion at least i was answering his question and then everyone else is jumping on the band wagon maybe thats why some posts take longer to get answers because of smart arses by the way i love my border and would not swop her for anything also i want my dog to work long term and not jib when she gets to 4-5 yrs of age but i should of said i didnt have her taking any quarry till she is 10-12 mths old i didnt stop her looking and getting involved with the other dogs. Edited July 12, 2008 by marko Quote Link to post
Butler 396 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 People keeping borders just for rats and rabbits plus the fact that if they don't make the grade they can always have a litter is the reason borders today are in the mess they are. If you want a ratting/bushing dog buy a plummer and if you want to win rosettes get something pedigree and show at crufts not working dog shows. Hi butler Can you tell me why you are so biast against Border Terriers I't one of the only pedigree breads were the working ability is still bred into them. I have a border terrier because I liKe the breed it's a good companian good natured abediant, trained to the whistle and I love seing him hunt we are not all able to dig foxes and even want to, I bought my dog for a companian after a very longe illnes and he as give me some thing to keep me going .So do'nt have a go at others doing there own thing, aspecialy when your talking a load of BOLLOCKS. Trust me i'm not against borders but the people that are wrecking a once great breed. Quote Link to post
Guest dee mac Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 im with butler on this one borders were once the favoured dog to work to otter a very testing task and were used as an outcross in nearly every strain of black terrier so were has it all went wrong? Quote Link to post
marky r 25 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 is there anybody on this site thats digs to borders or did before the ban week in week out or know of anyone? and good on you as long as your happy with your dog and im from west yorkshire as well im from leeds Quote Link to post
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