what do you call the bars that you use to push through soil when digging

[Guest friedrice]

  pip said:

Hello friedrice ,just a quick question as i know your no newbe.

What happens when a dog is is holts and the box has packed in?

hi pip as you know mate,without bar or box,some of the old hands will still find theyre dogs. there aint never been a need for bar to be honest,

even before the days of the locator stuff. what use is a bar in hard ground like flint where you can only get a inch or two into the ground, aint saying its

no use but all the men i dug with over the years,not one would put the bar on theyre hot list. first would be a spade or two,second would be food

and the next would be to make sure we they had enougth juice to get home. bars can come handy as you say pip,but honest ? how many times does

the boxes pack in on us these days. some times they go out of range,but then the bar dont work that well then either.

any way like you say pip im a newbe and dont now all the answears. all the best

friedrice

[Guest pip]

FR i said your NO newbie.I still can t work out how a hard dog could be located with no box no spit and just a shovel?Ok a ft or 2 deep no problem but much deeper and even with bumping you would need to be opening a larger than than needful hole to locate the tube.

 

All in all i believe its indispensible with young dogs.

 

waiting on some expert advice from experienced terriermen like Stevie G sorry couldn t resist as he knows his stuff

[Waz 4,276]

  Neil Cooney. said:

Pip there's a bar or two in my van the whole time.

 

 

I know of a good terrier with one eye who'd agree that the bar is over used.

 

I heard the tale about the terrier (bitch?) 5 or 6 year ago.

 

When ive barred down to FIND the dog and quarry I always worry when finding the tube after hearing that tale, so always sink it as gentle as is possible.

 

Always a bar in the van here.

[Guest friedrice]

  pip said:

FR i said your NO newbie.I still can t work out how a hard dog could be located with no box no spit and just a shovel?Ok a ft or 2 deep no problem but much deeper and even with bumping you would need to be opening a larger than than needful hole to locate the tube.

 

All in all i believe its indispensible with young dogs.

 

waiting on some expert advice from experienced terriermen like Stevie G sorry couldn t resist as he knows his stuff

ok pip,next time you work a harddog try this. first put the bar in, and next your hear to ground. you will hear a lot more with your ear to ground

than you will with a bar in the ground. but at the same time you will hear a bayer better with a bar than you would with your ear to the ground.

give that a go next time pip.vibration from the bark or bay sends it up to the bar. try it

all the best

friedrice

[Guest blackntan]

  friedrice said:

  blackntan said:

  friedrice said:

  paul the poacher said:

hi all been after one of these for ages but without the correct name i have no chance any help i would appreciate cheers

i think they are called mars bars ? why some need one of them for in the days of the locator collar for i dont know.

blast from the past without a dought

no need for me graft and shovel , al just take me mini digger blast from the past them shovels , and any one no were i can get one of them K9 robot dogs just think remote control progress eh

dont be a silly twat mate,thik about it. (THERE IS NO NEED FOR A BAR IN MODEN TERRIER WORK) and if you think so so be it.

k9 robot dogs ? thats silly

ah thats it then thats were all us over the hill mob have been going wrong for all these years , are you related to mr frain ,fliedlice, your words of wisdom belong in a book write one and i for one will buy it , food and juice to get home first on your list oh sorry i forgot your shovel, this thread was started by some one asking [what ] was a T BAR we endeverd to explain the ins and outs of the tool , would i use a T all depends were and [what the sittuation was, but would know how to use it , been in places were box, or T would not be any good but that another story , all i know and care about is when av got one in is to get it out alive and in as good nick as possible T or box pick shovel [what ever all the words on here or any book never taught me nowt , all ways look after your terriers end of story Edited July 11, 2008 by blackntan

[Guest dee mac]

can t believe men trying to make little of the bar its a must when out digging .never leave home without one.

[Guest ooty]

  Eamon.Mc said:

  ooty said:

on the deben subject.twice iv had there battary packs.both times they went wrong and didnt hold charges and the packs fell to bits within the first season even when kept charged,the second time i conplained and after looking at my pack ,said i must of had it longer than the garantee,even though i had the garantee.when your crawling through hedges and muddy ditches in the dead of stormy nights its going to get bashed torn and dirty their gear is expencive and aint up for the job,it falls to bits.never used a probe.would of thought it hard to tell if you break through on to your dog instead of the easth at 2 ft of hard clay.

 

Just wonderin when deben started making rechargable battery packs for locators?? Edited to say, if you thought it hard to tell if you break through to your dog with a sounding bar, it would seem that you don't dig that often! Not looking for a slanging match, FLATCAP'S your man fer that. But after barring in do you not put your ear to the hole to listen to what's happening? As Pip has said in an earlier post invaluable for letting you know what's going on below ground.

if they did they'd still be shit.was on bout me lamp battary and useing the opertunity to warn folk that deben aint up to it,thought you did like a bit of heated discusion Eamon? me and flat caps mates now,his bringing his jack for a smoke and a dig this winter.dont usual have to have a dog to ground long down here,grounds either clay in which earths are not so deep,peaty in which case your soon down to water or sandy which case id think twice about entering any dog as these can cave in very easy.my mate lost his dog for 5 days in a sand bank he shifted tons of it.even had the fire bregade for to days with thermo heat seeking gear to no avail,the 5th day she came walking out,we believe she'd killed underground and blocked herself in with the dead fox,then maybe got so hungry she'd eaten her way past,shes an old dog now and still very game.

[dev 227]

  friedrice said:

  pip said:

FR i said your NO newbie.I still can t work out how a hard dog could be located with no box no spit and just a shovel?Ok a ft or 2 deep no problem but much deeper and even with bumping you would need to be opening a larger than than needful hole to locate the tube.

 

All in all i believe its indispensible with young dogs.

 

waiting on some expert advice from experienced terriermen like Stevie G sorry couldn t resist as he knows his stuff

ok pip,next time you work a harddog try this. first put the bar in, and next your hear to ground. you will hear a lot more with your ear to ground

than you will with a bar in the ground. but at the same time you will hear a bayer better with a bar than you would with your ear to the ground.

give that a go next time pip.vibration from the bark or bay sends it up to the bar. try it

all the best

friedrice

im fairly sure that pip means putting his ear to the hole that is made by the bar, not having his ear to the bar,when the barhole is directly above the dog you can hear the grunts and bumping FAR more clearly than with just your ear to the ground

[johnk 0]

WHY DOESNT SOMEONE SHOW THE LAD A PIC OF ONE

 

JOHNK SNR

[Guest pip]

Correct dev ,i know now the type of bar FR is on about,its a hollow affair which you can listen through,i think.FR im talking about a spit just a t bar with a chisel type end on just for finding the tube.I heard some stories too about fellas pinning a dog to the floor of the earth with the spit.Used correctly the terrierman drives then wiggles then turns making the hole wider and on until he feels the soil lightening then takes it real carefully until through the roof,the bar should go no further than and inch through the roof

[bshadle 5]

  johnk said:

WHY DOESNT SOMEONE SHOW THE LAD A PIC OF ONE

 

JOHNK SNR

There's a bit of difference between your version of English and mine. But I'm pretty sure this is what the lad is asking about. I call it a probe, a T-probe or a T-bar. This one is made of s/s and about 3 1/2 - 4' long with a rounded end.

 

 

This is a light version of what I call a digging bar. It's made of 3/4" hex mild steel, 6' long ground to a chisel on one end and a dull point on the other.

 

 

I don't use the T-bar myself, my soil here is generally too hard and rocky to work it in efficiently. I have some friends who use a T-bar quiet effectively in sand and loam. I do carry my light digging bar almost all the time and use it for digging, as a probe and sometimes for dispatch. You have to be careful using anything for a probe, but then you have to be careful digging with the shovel too.

Edited July 12, 2008 by bshadle

[Guest blackntan]

well done sir common sence at last call it what you want in the right hands and in the right situation a tried and tested tool that has stood the test of time

Edited July 12, 2008 by blackntan

[Guest johnD]

  blackntan said:

well done sir common sence at last call it what you want in the right hands and in the right situation a tried and tested tool that has stood the test of time

well said blackntan i agree.anyone that says they have not owned our used a bar when digging musnt be up to much i have been on long hard and deep digs and they are an essential tool when trying to locate tubes when a terrier is at its work its also nice to bar into the tube when a terrier has stuff potted and listen to him grafting away.the spit our T bar call it what you want has been a tried and tested part of kit for years gone by and any genuine digging lads i know dont leave home without it

[Guest pip]

What would you know about digging John

[Guest johnD]

  pip said:

What would you know about digging John

I KNOW A LOT MORE THAN YOU JUST YOU GO BACK AND CRAWL UNDER YOUR ROSETTE CABINET WITH YOUR LITTLE PUFFED UP TERRIERS PIP THE SHOW MERCHANT