young terrier

[Neil Cooney. 1]

And still they mightn't work out.

What we ask these dogs to do is hard, very hard.

But at the end of the day (or season) if you've reared a well bred terrier, entered it slowly and given it every chance and still it doesn't work out, you can tell yourself it wasn't your fault.

When a youngster walks out it takes a bigger man to put it back on it's lead and think about it after than a man who'd quickly decide to leave it there.

[Simoman 110]

Very interesting thread gents........

[Guest oneredtrim]

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Edited July 3, 2008 by oneredtrim

[higgins 75]

give the terrier as many opportunities you can to prove itself over time,if you have given more opportunities than it really needs,then take into account it's age,method of entering,some really good dogs have been slow to start,i would also apply this logic to dogs that are too keen on their first few digs,good luck,

Higgins.

Edited July 2, 2008 by higgins

[top terrierman 90]

And still they mightn't work out.

What we ask these dogs to do is hard, very hard.

But at the end of the day (or season) if you've reared a well bred terrier, entered it slowly and given it every chance and still it doesn't work out, you can tell yourself it wasn't your fault.

When a youngster walks out it takes a bigger man to put it back on it's lead and think about it after than a man who'd quickly decide to leave it there.

you give good advice mate iv been hunting since i was a child i wouldnt claim to know everything so its good to hear how others do it i

[Bryan 1,362]

TT

 

i have no real interst in horse racing but an interest in working and handling animals, i remember listen to cheltenam a few years back when Paul Carberry was on the hot favorite Harchibald, he took the lead just too early and his horse faultered, he just sat there and never budged never hit the horse and came second.

the crowd went nuts, they'd lost hundreds of thousands on him,he was jeered all the way back for not hitting the horse.

 

he just said he's not a horse that'd react to the whip(everyone thought he should have) but he was right, he might have been wrong to hit the front but he knew his animal

Bryan

[higgins 75]

TT

 

i have no real interst in horse racing but an interest in working and handling animals, i remember listen to cheltenam a few years back when Paul Carberry was on the hot favorite Harchibald, he took the lead just too early and his horse faultered, he just sat there and never budged never hit the horse and came second.

the crowd went nuts, they'd lost hundreds of thousands on him,he was jeered all the way back for not hitting the horse.

 

he just said he's not a horse that'd react to the whip(everyone thought he should have) but he was right, he might have been wrong to hit the front but he knew his animal

Bryan

a good point there Bryan,and it also applies to anyone who works their dogs

,do they REALLY'know'their dogs?

[the_stig 6,614]

There's a lot of well bred, game young terriers put down every year my macho men ,who havent got a clue about terriers or terrier work ,Bad tradesmen blame there tools ,bad (terriermen) blame there dogs for there shortcomings,ignorance and lack of understanding of the working terrier ,and plenty well bred dogs been put down because of it ,who in the right hands would have made the grade.

[Bosun11 537]

Great thred and some very good responce.

 

I once read that the working terrier is 'the only' animal that will enter an enviroment that is totaly ailen, to seek out a quarry that would be inedible....... Or summat like that (without me skimming quickly through Harcombe's book).

 

So how would anyone expect any/every youngster that didn't 'go' to be a failure, or first time to ground on quarry with sucess, to be a 'made' digging dog.

 

Also, a good start doesn't make for plain sailing, the first dig or digs might seem so good but every earth and every encounter is different, especially to a youngster........ their is bound to be a hicup (mostly from over matching them).

 

Try and try again....... If your true to yourself and your terrier, you'll know when it's not gonna make it as an earth dog.

 

Give 'em the best opportunitys (plural) to start, not the hardest! and you'll know!

[pickaxe 23]

to many young Terriers are put down by to many young men, i've had many a phone call about a pup , saying wow its the best ever , and the next week and the next week, then a few digs down the line the pups jacked, worked sore and not given time to rest,or i was trying to get it to bay!!!!!!!

spend time with your terriers, play with them, find out how long they will play tug of war or catch the tail.

As pups do they get bored easy or are they a pain in the Ass always pushing there luck?

a mate of mine run's sheepdogs, the two dog he's won the most with need to be handle differently the one dog needs a smack just a tap before the leaves the van to settle him, the other {bit shy} needs to be walked around the crowd before hand, the guy knows his dogs

[sionnach 44]

to many young Terriers are put down by to many young men, i've had many a phone call about a pup , saying wow its the best ever , and the next week and the next week, then a few digs down the line the pups jacked, worked sore and not given time to rest,or i was trying to get it to bay!!!!!!!

spend time with your terriers, play with them, find out how long they will play tug of war or catch the tail.

As pups do they get bored easy or are they a pain in the Ass always pushing there luck?

a mate of mine run's sheepdogs, the two dog he's won the most with need to be handle differently the one dog needs a smack just a tap before the leaves the van to settle him, the other {bit shy} needs to be walked around the crowd before hand, the guy knows his dogs

well said pickaxe

[pockets 0]

alrite everyone.just a question to the terrier lads when your starting off a young terrier and they meet their game under ground if they come away from it.come out.do you give them another chance.personally i dont but when i think back on a few dogs i do wonder if i should have.just wondering what diifrent lads do.im talking about pups that are 16 to 18 months when they start to travel tubes.

keep it and try a few times some of the best dogs have been slow starters

 

I agree the slow ones turn out sometimes to be the real deal.

[skycat 6,174]

I would never in a million years claim that my terriers are fair dinkum hard digging stock, and they can take forever to enter properly: if someone wanted an early starter then I'd no way let them have one, but once they do start, sometimes as late as 2 1/2, they keep going and going for years and years. My old bitch who is now 11 would still work to ground if I let her, and her daughter who is 7 is still in her prime as far as earth work is concerned. They are'nt hard dogs, though they do start mixing it a bit in their second season. Shout at them, or worse still hit them and they fold up like the most sensitive lurcher: not everyone's cup of tea by any means, but they'll find anywhere and never give up once they know what their quarry is and how to deal with it.

Sometimes it has taken more than 5 or 6 digs before I could truly say they know what to do, but I'm past the age where I need to impress anyone, and lucky enough to be able to enter them slowly, letting them take their time, watching at several digs to begin with, and usually self entering in the end after they've put one up in cover.

 

And in answer to that original question: yes, they are very likely to come away to begin with, coming out and looking at me as though to say "What the hell do I do now?" Then back in again, maybe another bit of baying. I never push them, just tie them up again, stick an experienced dog in and let the young one listen and learn. Then let them see the quarry bolt after the dig.

I don't consider myself anything of an expert when it comes to terriers, but to me it makes sense to allow a young dog the opportunity to watch, listen and learn: after all, that's how any predator learns to hunt, by copying its dam/sire/older relatives, depending on what sort of predator it is.

[hue jeers 6]

Are you wanting to 'hunt' with your terrier or 'bait' with your terrier?

 

Different thing's and sometimes the terrier knows best.

[fish 148]

I would never in a million years claim that my terriers are fair dinkum hard digging stock, and they can take forever to enter properly: if someone wanted an early starter then I'd no way let them have one, but once they do start, sometimes as late as 2 1/2, they keep going and going for years and years. My old bitch who is now 11 would still work to ground if I let her, and her daughter who is 7 is still in her prime as far as earth work is concerned. They are'nt hard dogs, though they do start mixing it a bit in their second season. Shout at them, or worse still hit them and they fold up like the most sensitive lurcher: not everyone's cup of tea by any means, but they'll find anywhere and never give up once they know what their quarry is and how to deal with it.

Sometimes it has taken more than 5 or 6 digs before I could truly say they know what to do, but I'm past the age where I need to impress anyone, and lucky enough to be able to enter them slowly, letting them take their time, watching at several digs to begin with, and usually self entering in the end after they've put one up in cover.

 

And in answer to that original question: yes, they are very likely to come away to begin with, coming out and looking at me as though to say "What the hell do I do now?" Then back in again, maybe another bit of baying. I never push them, just tie them up again, stick an experienced dog in and let the young one listen and learn. Then let them see the quarry bolt after the dig.

I don't consider myself anything of an expert when it comes to terriers, but to me it makes sense to allow a young dog the opportunity to watch, listen and learn: after all, that's how any predator learns to hunt, by copying its dam/sire/older relatives, depending on what sort of predator it is.

good post any one just in to digging terriers read this and take what is said in and you wont go far wrong