Jagd terrier

[OldNog 432]

I was wondering if anyone knew what went into the original breeding of this terrier? I think i can remember reading somwhere that lakeland was used?? i may be completly wrong though

 

Cheers

 

Oldnog

[heshimus 1]

Oldnog i'm searching and researching about this breed. in part because i have a new male pup with 6 months and because it's very hard to find working terrier blood around here. In Spain there is one breeder of Patterdale and more than 30 breeders of jagd terrier.

 

i quote:

"A fascination with terriers, fervent nationalism, and a propensity towards genetic engineering were braided together when Lutz Heck presented four black and tan fell terriers -- similar to what we now would call a Patterdale terrier -- to Carl Eric Gruenewald and Walter Zangenbert. Gruenewald was a "cynologist" (a self-styled dog man with an interest in genetics) and Zangenbert was a dedicated hunter with an interest in fox terriers."

 

"After only 10 years time the dogs were breeding more-or-less true, with a patterdale-like appearance, albeit with more red on the undercarriage.

 

The breeding program for the Jagdterrier was a bit confused as to the actual purpose of the dog. A great emphasis was put on the dog being multitalented -- able to go after fox and kill it underground, tackle a russian boar, retrieve birds, and scent track shot game. A small problem was that doing these tasks required a dog with different physiological characteristics!

 

A dog able to kill a fox underground will tend to be hard-mouthed, which is exactly the opposite of what you want in a retriever. At the same time a dog large enough to carry a bird through grass or tackle a russian boar will tend to be too big in the chest to easily go to ground in a natural fox den.

 

Never mind. After all, the rationale for the German Hunt Terrier was not that there was an unfilled need in the terrier world -- it was that there were no German terriers to put up as being "superiour" to those offered by the rest of the world."

 

in http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2004/...t-terriers.html

 

i hope this quote helps you to understand the origin of this hunting terrier.

 

all that i've read says that the origin was 4 black and tan fell terriers that where crossbred with some hunting fox terriers and maybe some bull terrier blood (to be so hard-mouthed).

 

i can only say that they are able in the ground and capable of many things (rabbits, ratting, fox, badger, wildcat's, wild boar, deer and so on).

 

they are hard dogs.

 

however, i want some good fell/lakeland terrier blood because i want to work with them.

 

best regards

[OldNog 432]

thanks very much for that reply, very intresting.

 

do you have a photo of you pup?

[Waz 4,262]

In Spain there is one breeder of Patterdale and more than 30 breeders of jagd terrier.

 

If the fella in Spain with patterdales is the one I am thinking of, his 1st litter the sire is 14 months at time of whelping and the dam 22 months.

Edited June 23, 2008 by GD Waz

[Chid 6,519]

I was wondering if anyone knew what went into the original breeding of this terrier? I think i can remember reading somwhere that lakeland was used?? i may be completly wrong though

 

Cheers

 

Oldnog

 

 

black and tan fell terriers were used. so could be lakies,pats or any breed x of the two really.

[Stabs 3]

At the time that the dogs went over to Germany, Lakelands were also commonly known as Patterdales just like the Border was known as Reedwater, the Dandie as Salt and Pepper terrier, the Bedlington as the Rothbury etc etc etc. So when old records refer to Patterdales, they are more than likely not referring to what springs to mind when we hear the term today.

[heshimus 1]

Thank you Stabs, always learning.

 

 

Oldnog my prospect pictures are here:

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...6&hl=forign

 

yesterday i was with their brothers and sisters, next weekend we are going to do some "field test" and see how it goes. but they are very hard youngster.

 

best regards