TOPPER 1,809 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 i dont believe there is such a thing as a bad dog it the inexpienced or lazy owners that are to blame, i find most bull breeds just want to slobber all over you not eat you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 and if a pit locks on ud have some job to get it off, i wouldnt trust that breed around my child or anyone for that matter You have little experience with the breed I assume to make that statement? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 supose if you do have an aggressive pitbull you could always bring it to mick martin and hell tame your land shark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ghostlyease 17 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 and if a pit locks on ud have some job to get it off, i wouldnt trust that breed around my child or anyone for that matter look what happened to that four year old girl in st helens last year apparantley that little girl spend alot of time around that dog the dog snapped and killed her. , there dangerous vicious b*****ds. id rather be bitten my a little jack russell than a pit , just my opinion Are we really going to allow the press/media to give us our opinions on a breed as a whole? I would have thought that anybody using a forum like this would agree that mass labelling of anything isnt the way forward. Find bite stats on the web, see what breeds are more likely to bite their owners and those close, let alone strangers, many would be surprised at the results. People have to be responsible for any animal in their charge, it is not acceptable for dogs to bite people un-prevoked be it a Poodle or a Pitbull. The terrible incident that happened last year that led to the child's death was a direct result of its owners idiocy! the dog was not trusted around the child, hadnt been for a while, because of a misjudgement by a person a little girl lost her life and they will pay for that with the heavy guilt the rest of their lives. RIP Ellie. Dog are allowed or not allowed to do as us humans allow, simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ghostlyease 17 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 This post was supposed to be a positive one, its been turned into an anti bullbreed thread Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dustyfox 0 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Although i wouldnt ever leave any breed alone with kids, i know of a pitbull and the owner wouldnt have to pull it away or cover its mouth to stop it biting in any manner because the only thing the dog will do is lick. You say you pull your lab away or cover its mouth to stop it "biting in a playful manner" didnt you bring it up and teach it not to put its teeth on anyone? gaz the dog that killed the poor girl wasnt even a pitbull, the experts only probally deemd it a type because it was red. That was the fault of the idiot owner not the dog. Good point raised, i have my american bulldog on the lead and its idiots with the attitude "my dogs alright" that cause a problem because their mutts useally over weight or wearing f*****g clothes, dont have a clue what recall is. I dont blame the dog as thats the fault of the owner. And the owner with the bull breed will always be in the wrong. Alot of silly posts on this forum considering there was a bull breed section, i suggest a few go and do their homework before trying to comment on staffords and pitbulls. he really doesnt bite but when he licks there fingers Im afraid that he will accidently close his mouth when his tongue goes back in on to the childs finger. Or if a child is stroking the top of his head he quickly moves his head to lick the hand that thats stroking him. I dont like chidren around my dog in case something does happen, he could knock them over in excitement. I just take extra care where there is children about. Sorry I do find it a bit hard to explain things in writing. DF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest david1976 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Man can't breed or buy himself a bigger penis. Just has to make do with what he's got. :clapper: Well said, I think certain people on here should take note Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dustyfox 0 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 and if a pit locks on ud have some job to get it off, i wouldnt trust that breed around my child or anyone for that matter look what happened to that four year old girl in st helens last year apparantley that little girl spend alot of time around that dog the dog snapped and killed her. , there dangerous vicious b*****ds. id rather be bitten my a little jack russell than a pit , just my opinion Are we really going to allow the press/media to give us our opinions on a breed as a whole? I would have thought that anybody using a forum like this would agree that mass labelling of anything isnt the way forward. Find bite stats on the web, see what breeds are more likely to bite their owners and those close, let alone strangers, many would be surprised at the results. People have to be responsible for any animal in their charge, it is not acceptable for dogs to bite people un-prevoked be it a Poodle or a Pitbull. The terrible incident that happened last year that led to the child's death was a direct result of its owners idiocy! the dog was not trusted around the child, hadnt been for a while, because of a misjudgement by a person a little girl lost her life and they will pay for that with the heavy guilt the rest of their lives. RIP Ellie. Dog are allowed or not allowed to do as us humans allow, simple. I think rotweilers come 2nd in the bite list not sure what one is first. To me I dont mind people having these types of dogs all I want is the ones that attack other dogs to be under control. I dont want to be training my dog and a Staffordshire bull terrier, rotweiler or whatever comes round the corner and attacks my dog I didnt like it the last time it happened and I am sure other people dont like it. All I am saying is the dangerous ones should be either under control or put down. If my Labrador turned nasty I would put him on short lead All the time he is out in public. Its just not the pitballs that are getting classed as dangerous dogs of the species. Look at sharks with the great white as the most dangerous. Again I do not mind people having staffordshire bulls terrier dogs I know a couple who have staff's and my dog plays with them sometimes. And to right its the owners fault NEDS especially, Not only they cant keep their dog under control they probably train it to fight. DF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacob 28 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 and if a pit locks on ud have some job to get it off, i wouldnt trust that breed around my child or anyone for that matter look what happened to that four year old girl in st helens last year apparantley that little girl spend alot of time around that dog the dog snapped and killed her. , there dangerous vicious b*****ds. id rather be bitten my a little jack russell than a pit , just my opinion youre more likely to get bit off some crabs you caught ,than by any dog ,there are very few dog attacks and a lot fewer deaths,how many people do you know that have been seriously bit ,by any canine,these dogs need people with a positive attitude anyone can mimic out of proportion popular opinion.its good to see ANY of these dogs having a bit a luck.Ditch shitter cant you get yourself one of those pump things Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Yeah, lets ban rotties, staffies, shepherds, mastiffs, oh I nearly forgot my sister was bitten by a bearded collie, lets ban those too. I can't believe some of the stuff i'm reading from fellow dog owners FFS. At school my job was walking the dogs from a pitbull kennels (pre 91). Thoses dogs were very sociable with people and most were good with other dogs, dog aggression is a natural behaviour to a certain degree and if you have a dog that is dog aggressive (nothing to do with human aggression) then the onus is on the owner to take control and responsibility for the dogs actions............ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Groverdog 0 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 IMHO its def the owners not the dogs. Everyone who takes on a dog should research the type or breed first. Weve had two GSD's. The first was a very calm male who was a little distant and watchful of strangers and the bitch we have now is quite a nervy character. Both had to have totally different ways of handling and understanding. Every Staffy or Bull bloodied dog ive met has been a real character and not at all aggressive. Guarding and them there 'fighting' dogs get a bad press when the numptys get to own them and channel there natural insticts overboard. True story: (apologies for yapping on) Years ago my pal resuced a GSD who had bitten a child (not badly just a scratch) Took it to the vets to test it for brain tumiors etc as it was 6 years old and never showed any aggression before but its head was held at an angle. What did the vet find but a short length of pencil shoved in its ear. Turns out dog had been left alone with the kiddy and this kiddy (who in fairness was very young and didnt know any better) thought it would be fun to see how far a pencil would go down this dogs ear. Credit to the dog id say for just lightly snapping not going the full defence route of full on rage! Owners fault id say for allowing dog and kiddy to be alone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ghostlyease 17 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 UK Dog Bite Statistics - United Kingdom Dog Attack Stats The single breed reported as being most responsible for dog bites requiring hospital treatment in the UK is ‘the Spaniel’. As we know the Spaniel is not a single breed in it’s own right we must drill down that the minority Spaniels such as the Sussex, Clumber, Brittany, Irish Water, Welsh Springer etc are rarer, it is between the English Springer and Cocker Spaniels upon whom the finger of blame is being pointed. We do know that the show-type, single coloured Cocker Spaniel does suffer from a hereditary condition called Fits of Rage Syndrome, which causes the animal to often bite its owner or other, normally trusted person. This, it could be reasoned, could play a part in the figures we are seeing from hospital records. As an interesting aside, it is actually not the dog at all who is responsible for sending people to hospital for bite treatment. That dubious ‘honour’ goes to the Human. Yes, humans bite more people into requiring hospital treatment than dogs. Another interesting UK dog bite fact, one that really should put into perspective the tragic issue of fatal dog bites, in the United Kingdom you are statistically more likely to be killed by lightning strike than by a dog attack. Direct link http://www.stopdogattacks.com/dogbitestati.../ukdogbitestats Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueCoyote 0 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 i just read this this morning, and it made my day. especially loved her comparison of him as "a caveman at a teaparty" to start with. but wow what a turn around!! and i love this quote - Man can't breed or buy himself a bigger penis. Just has to make do with what he's got. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 12,270 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 all the story say's is the dog's good round people but they were never bred to be vicious to human's so because there round human's and aren't showing no sign's of aggression really mean's nothing i bet if you put a dog near him it would be a whole different story Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueCoyote 0 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 all the story say's is the dog's good round people but they were never bred to be vicious to human's so because there round human's and aren't showing no sign's of aggression really mean's nothing i bet if you put a dog near him it would be a whole different story i noticed that too. i would imagine he's probably ok with other dogs as long as they are calm and quiet. i've seen that before, i was at an event for dogs and someone was walking a black pit bull around among the other dogs. this poor thing was more grey than black, grey meaning skin... he had so many scars all over him that he looked almost mangy from a distance. the person walking him told me he was a rescued fighter. were it not for the physical evidence of his past he could have been mistaken for any average happy dog out on a walk. and all sorts of dogs were all around him. big ones, little ones, yapping ones, puppies, etc. he was so cool about it all. But yes when i first saw him i knew him for what he was, and was shocked to my toes that they had him out around other dogs with no muzzle on! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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