wheaten x bull

[wetdogsmell 99]

as a bull/wheaten what does he work like are they better than the pure thing .

the man who owns him keeps and works wheatons on what there bred for, this dog is part of his breeding plan to put bull back into his line. heres a pick of his working bitch

[stoaty 171]

love the look of her wet shes looks a cracker

Stoaty

[Mossdog 27]

Years ago, in a working dog mag, there were pictures of wheatens from even longer ago called Freecrow Hero and Bronlow Bob (think that's right - apologies if spelling is totally wrong) They seemed broader in the skull and more powerful in the jaw than a lot of wheatens I've seen recently. Is it likely they had some bull in them?

[Neil Cooney. 1]

I can't really remember the pedigrees of Brownlow Bob and Freecrow Hero but I think they were around in the 60s.

They were probably registered as pure wheatens as the I.K.C. up untill 1966 ran the badger trials.

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[Bryan 1,362]

i think they just needed a good clipping in the picture to get their heads looking less huge,was a great photo though. I don't think the wheatons lacked anything in head size.

Bryan

[match 0]

all the bulls ive seen used have been noisy. wheatens are ment to be quiet, i would sooner stick mwith one or the other.

[Bootsha 1,306]

There was a shit hot article in EDRD last year I think from a fella who keeps and works these dogs out in Ireland, wrote under the name of "Latharna", I think that was his kennels prefix. The title was Irelands Heavy dogs. I managed to speak to him over the phone one day, genuine fella, but going on what he was telling me about the gameness and agression of his Wheatens anyway, why would you want to first cross them with a Bull ?, I love bull crosses and only keep that cross of various fractions, but bull crossed into a running dog is spot on, cant beat it in my opinion, I would think that the same would apply to the Wheaten, used as a cross to a running dog or similar first class, but first cross Wheaten, Bull??, don't know about that one, could be an accident waiting to happen, to much testosterone and agression perhaps, who knows. Has anyone out there tried it? Lets have some feedback.

 

W.A.B

[stoaty 171]

my thoughts also welsh but the article was an interesting one it got me thinking love to see a bit of feed back any pics of working wheatons or crosses would be great too

Stoaty

[Neil Cooney. 1]

I wont say the trial under rules was a demanding test for a heavy dog but it was very hard to pass.

Not many people know this but in all the trials ever ran only 3 dogs went their whole careers without failing.

I'm not sure about 2 but I know Christy Macs Staff bitch (was it Princess or Duchess) was one of them. I'd say it was probably 50/50 staff/wheaten that passed over the years ,but I could be wrong.

Because it was a hard test IMO a lot of dog men just used a qualified dog across a qualified bitch. Wether this was staff to staff or wheaten to wheaten or staff to wheaten it didn't matter as long as both parents were game.

I know there was a few who kept lines/families and had their prefixes but like today most lads would have been happy to just breed a good one and wouldn't be thinking about the long term.

Good days but thankfully they don't happen nowadays.

[bolio 49]

I wont say the trial under rules was a demanding test for a heavy dog but it was very hard to pass.

Not many people know this but in all the trials ever ran only 3 dogs went their whole careers without failing.

I'm not sure about 2 but I know Christy Macs Staff bitch (was it Princess or Duchess) was one of them. I'd say it was probably 50/50 staff/wheaten that passed over the years ,but I could be wrong.

Because it was a hard test IMO a lot of dog men just used a qualified dog across a qualified bitch. Wether this was staff to staff or wheaten to wheaten or staff to wheaten it didn't matter as long as both parents were game.

I know there was a few who kept lines/families and had their prefixes but like today most lads would have been happy to just breed a good one and wouldn't be thinking about the long term.

Good days but thankfully they don't happen nowadays.

 

Very true Neil, when a lurcher breeder crosses a saluki with a greyhound he's not trying to improve either pure breed, he's trying to create a dog suited for a particular job.

So when I bred my old staff dog "Red" to my 3/4 wheaten 1/4 bull (Handy) "Dusty", there was never any intention of trying to integrate staff blood into a line of wheatens. I just thought that as both parents performed the same function well, I might get a decent draw dog.

 

This was the result, Grip proved to be much more than just a draw dog.

 

 

This is the pic of Brownlow Bob and Freecrow Hero

 

The other two dogs which were never lifted at the trials were the staff dog Socks and Peters wheaten dog Peter Sinead whiich was stuffed and stood on public display in a pub in Dundalk for a while before taking his rightful place on Peters sideboard at home.

 

 

Peter Sinead, Dog of the year three years in a row.

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[bolio 49]

I should have qualified that by stating that those were the dogs which hadn't been lifted at the time I stopped going G.Mac. Lance was still running at that time and any results in the past 1/4 century I know nothing about.

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[Neil Cooney. 1]

I was always of the understanding Peter Sinead was lifted. Although a famous dog.