nueter or not

[.243joe 0]

i was wonderin would getting a springer nuetered affect its ability as a working dog.

[eshielsgundogs 0]

i was wonderin would getting a springer nuetered affect its ability as a working dog.

 

No it shouldn't make any difference.

 

Ian

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Possibly won't, mate. But why on earth start chopping bits off ye Dog? Has he a medical condition?

 

I caught my neighbours pony for him yesterday. Neither he nor his daughter, the ponys 'owner' could get within fifty yards of the animal. I just called him over to me, put a lead on his halter and walked him nicely up to my mates place, hundreds of yards away.

 

My mate was astonished. " I can't understand it. " He told me. " We had him castrated and, ever since then, he's been nervous as hell! ".

[.243joe 0]

Possibly won't, mate. But why on earth start chopping bits off ye Dog? Has he a medical condition?

 

I caught my neighbours pony for him yesterday. Neither he nor his daughter, the ponys 'owner' could get within fifty yards of the animal. I just called him over to me, put a lead on his halter and walked him nicely up to my mates place, hundreds of yards away.

 

My mate was astonished. " I can't understand it. " He told me. " We had him castrated and, ever since then, he's been nervous as hell! ".

no he,s not got a medical condition,but he,ll be in a pen with a bitch that i dont want him breeding with.and i dont have the room for another pen or a litter of unwanted puppies.

[Dawn B 212]

Shouldnt make the slightest difference, and I understand your reasons, in your case its the responsible thing to do.

[.243joe 0]

Shouldnt make the slightest difference, and I understand your reasons, in your case its the responsible thing to do.

thanks im getting the pup in about 3 weeks so im just weighing up my options at the minute,but i think its really the only sensible option,so its off with them ...

[Dawn B 212]

Possibly won't, mate. But why on earth start chopping bits off ye Dog? Has he a medical condition?

 

I caught my neighbours pony for him yesterday. Neither he nor his daughter, the ponys 'owner' could get within fifty yards of the animal. I just called him over to me, put a lead on his halter and walked him nicely up to my mates place, hundreds of yards away.

 

My mate was astonished. " I can't understand it. " He told me. " We had him castrated and, ever since then, he's been nervous as hell! ".

Says to me Ditch they didnt know what they were doing. You, a stranger to the animal had no problem handling it, the Horse is a flight animal and its instinct will always be to run, a Dog is completely different. Nothing to do with being gelded IMO of course.

[Guest ESS]

Shouldnt make the slightest difference, and I understand your reasons, in your case its the responsible thing to do.

thanks im getting the pup in about 3 weeks so im just weighing up my options at the minute,but i think its really the only sensible option,so its off with them ...

 

 

Get the bitch spayed bigger op but more health risks for a unspayed bitch who wont have pups failing that build another pen more and likely cheaper just my twopenceworth

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Says to me Ditch they didnt know what they were doing. You, a stranger to the animal had no problem handling it, the Horse is a flight animal and its instinct will always be to run .....

 

 

So are cattle. Pat's a dyed in the wool Cattleman. These people around me are all brought up around livestock. Spent his life with the creatures and cares for them like his own kids. He knows his stuff alright. He also stated that the pony was always fine, till he had him carved up. I imagine he'd have noticed if his character had changed there after. He said he Had noticed. Not much I can do about that fact.

 

Regards me being able to handle the pony? I just did what comes naturally. It was actually the first pony I've ever had to approach in my entire life. Never done that before.

 

As I walked him quietly up several hundreds of yards of track though, Pat did look somewhat amazed. He called, " You've got a way with animals! ". Personally, I just think I empathise. I wouldn't mutilate an animal for my convenience. Maybe they respond with trust to my aura? Pony did.

[.243joe 0]

Says to me Ditch they didnt know what they were doing. You, a stranger to the animal had no problem handling it, the Horse is a flight animal and its instinct will always be to run .....

 

 

So are cattle. Pat's a dyed in the wool Cattleman. These people around me are all brought up around livestock. Spent his life with the creatures and cares for them like his own kids. He knows his stuff alright. He also stated that the pony was always fine, till he had him carved up. I imagine he'd have noticed if his character had changed there after. He said he Had noticed. Not much I can do about that fact.

 

Regards me being able to handle the pony? I just did what comes naturally. It was actually the first pony I've ever had to approach in my entire life. Never done that before.

 

As I walked him quietly up several hundreds of yards of track though, Pat did look somewhat amazed. He called, " You've got a way with animals! ". Personally, I just think I empathise. I wouldn't mutilate an animal for my convenience. Maybe they respond with trust to my aura? Pony did.

its hardly mutilation,an in my case id rather have the dog snipped than god know,s how many unwanted pups put down...

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

I just don't over step myself, mate. If I can't handle an animal, I won't take it on. I don't go round gathering animals and then trying to hack them about till they're less enough that I can deal with them.

 

I keep Dogs and Bitches. And I keep them apart for a week, a couple of times a year. Not rocket science.

 

Couple of my Dogs shed hair too. I Sweep Up.

[mackay 3,435]

Would have thought the obvious thing to do would be to have two of the same sex, then there's no unwanted pups and no need for any neutering or castration. Everyones a winner.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Depends on the types of Dogs, Mackay. Most Dogs will behave impeccably around a bitch for fifty weeks of a year. Some bitches will spend fifty two weeks of a year wanting to slaughter another bitch.

 

Look at that advert on here; ABD Bitch on the meat rack, because she tried to slaughter the womans incumbent bitch. Is that a case of an evil Bitch? Should that Bitch be mutilated? Are either of them to blame? No. Blame there, most very likely, lies squarely with People.

 

One more tosser gets hold of an ABD, like his mate just got. They Have To breed them. Then they bang out the pups to who ever answers the Free Ad's - or sees them being banged out on this place. Others catch the hype about this new 'Dog to be seen with' and buy one. In complete ignorance. See above for typical result. Next it'll be some council house dwelling smack heads kiddie who gets it. Seen it all before.

 

Would taking a knife to any of these Dogs / Bitches make any difference to their " aggression "? Would if f*ck. That's just one more excuse to do it, trotted out by the Petaphiles and those who have unwittingly swallowed their line. Don't expect me to argue with them though. I was never advisor to Canute.

 

Just to cite an example of how it is in the real world though; I have here three Bitches and one Dog. One Bitch was got at before she came to me. She was also driven insane before she came to me and before she was carved up. She's as insane and 'aggressive' now as ever she was. Cutting her about made no difference.

 

Is she then a 'problem' even "Dangerous" Dog? Is she hell! I Control Her. I've been doing so for half a dozen years without incident. I think she's getting a bit old to surprise me now. No; She just needed a Responsible keeper.

 

My other Bitch? Proven killer. Why did she kill (Livestock)? Because her keeper let her get the chance and because there were no children about she could take it out on instead. He wanted me to shoot her. Why??? HIS f*cking fault she got loose. Zoo's keep far more dangerous animals. Should we go kill those too, because they'd kill a child if allowed to? Of course not. Should they mutilate all zoo animals? Stupid question. Is my Bitch mutilated? Another stupid question. Is she a danger to anything, now she's under my supervision? Hat Trick!

 

See? It's all just down to and about having the Knowledge and Willingness to Take Responsibility.

 

Does my Dog make puppies with any of my two out of three natural born Bitches? Does he hell! See above sentence.

 

See where I'm coming from, mate? I'm not out to argue against the ever increasing tidal wave of Brain Washed masses. Up to them if they can't handle animals and want to excuse themselves the convenient get outs they seek. Let them bang on and drown me out. My Dogs are safe.

 

And it's not just Dogs. My donkey has all he was born with. He's no trouble. But I once stood for hours gazing at The Most magnificent, piebald stallion. This f*cker must have stood 16 hands and was just breath taking! I could probably have afforded him too. But why? I couldn't possibly have handled him and he'd probably have killed me. I did the responsible thing. I took a photo of him and walked away. Why buy what ye can't deal with and then have bits hacked out? Buy a mare. I'm going to

[Dawn B 212]

What you also have to consider is your neighbours. DS may be fine where he is in the middle of nowhere, but if you have neighbours theres a whole different ball game.

 

Some dogs are VERY bad when bitches are in season, a working dog may well lose weight, go off its food, howl etc.. while the bicth is in season, not to mention the fact he may be totally useless when working at that time!

 

234joe is doing the responsible thing is HIS situation and he will not be contributing to the thousands of unwanted dogs there already are. Full credit to him I say.