undershot stud dog

[Guest ooty]

find a dog with as few faults as poss.even if you get half a litter with an even bite,they will still carry the gene and it will come through in other generations,whats the sence in breeding faults???only people with faults in there dogs would advise you to breed that way.its plain common sence! always breed away from faults! look what happend when flat caps parents bred

IVE ONLY EVER BRED FROM DOGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPERLY TESTED UNLIKE YOURSELF BREEDING OFF A DOG THAT ONCE HAD A FIGHT WITH A 3QUARTER GROWN RAT

ay!! :)even if they are undershot?? i missed you.!! think my scope was a bit out i estmate that little dog your on about did about 500rats last winter,got so bit up he had to stay home a few times,not once hav i ever herd him yelp and is not shy ov anything no maatter what teeth it has,also his not the sire ov those pups.enough petty slander though or it would be hard for us to stay friends. so why my friend give poor advice to people in need ov good advice??.surely even you can agree that its not the best idea to breed from dogs with faults when theres plenty ov dogs out there to choose from??? if your dogs are as mighty as you say(still not seen them or herd anything about them mind) offer the man the use ov a good stud dog??or someone eles out there must have somthing his looking for that doesnt have such faults??i know plenty ov good dogs that do the alround job some real exceptions and would be happy to help anyone serious find a good dog.there realy are a lot to choose from.breeding faults is not the way.come on?? thought you people new dogs??

[FLATCAP 6]

find a dog with as few faults as poss.even if you get half a litter with an even bite,they will still carry the gene and it will come through in other generations,whats the sence in breeding faults???only people with faults in there dogs would advise you to breed that way.its plain common sence! always breed away from faults! look what happend when flat caps parents bred

IVE ONLY EVER BRED FROM DOGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPERLY TESTED UNLIKE YOURSELF BREEDING OFF A DOG THAT ONCE HAD A FIGHT WITH A 3QUARTER GROWN RAT

ay!! :)even if they are undershot?? i missed you.!! think my scope was a bit out i estmate that little dog your on about did about 500rats last winter,got so bit up he had to stay home a few times,not once hav i ever herd him yelp and is not shy ov anything no maatter what teeth it has,also his not the sire ov those pups.enough petty slander though or it would be hard for us to stay friends. so why my friend give poor advice to people in need ov good advice??.surely even you can agree that its not the best idea to breed from dogs with faults when theres plenty ov dogs out there to choose from??? if your dogs are as mighty as you say(still not seen them or herd anything about them mind) offer the man the use ov a good stud dog??or someone eles out there must have somthing his looking for that doesnt have such faults??i know plenty ov good dogs that do the alround job some real exceptions and would be happy to help anyone serious find a good dog.there realy are a lot to choose from.breeding faults is not the way.come on?? thought you people new dogs??

YOU ALREADY SAID THE FARTHER OF THEM PUPS WAS UNTRIED .. AN IT WASNT A ACCIDENT .. BREEDING FROM UNTESTED DOGS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO EITHER BUT THEN I SUPPOSE THAT SUMS THEM PLUMMERS UP UNTESTED..........................

[dev 227]

if the dog is the best dog available then go for it, as others have said, work comes first, judge the dog on his ability below ground ,i wouldnt worry about him being undershot ,if he does his job what does it matter!! its not show dogs your breeding its workers!! good luck

[J Darcy 5,871]

The first question i would be asking myself before even thinking about a stud dog is "Do i REALLY need to breed?"

 

 

In most cases the answer will be No....

[hue jeers 6]

"Do i REALLY need to breed?"

 

No, one is definately enough

[Guest ooty]

up to those that want to breed faults,not so good when your dogs have to be put down cos they cant eat,as has been said before,undershot jaws get worse when a dog gets its second teeth.dont see the point when there are plenty ov good working dogs out there to use that dont have these faults.i dont have that fault in any ov mine but most still do the alround job and yes i am 100% i dont miss meny nights in the winter and theres nothing i wont put my dogs to ,pest control used to be my full time job aswell as oldstyle wild bird keepering but unfortunatly most estates just rear these days which lessens the need for strict fox control in my neck ov the woods,certainly wont be sat here come aurtum though,i dont have much in my kennals that would win a rosset.

[Guest lurcherboy2008]

whoever said undershot dogs cant eat, WHAT A COMPLETE LOAD OF BO**UX, if the dog thats going over her is undershot and hes still good i woudlnt worry about undershot jaws if the dog works and does its job i couldnt really care, like you said its no show dog get him on her if hes that good his undershot jaw dont stop his working so i dont think itll stop the pups

[POSSUM 13]

Except if that problem passes on it could be a whole lot worse resulting in a dog unable to eat properly, let alone work. Find a dog with a decent mouth, loads about.

ALOT OF TIMES WHEN A DOG COMES UNDER OR OVER SHOT IT IS DUE TO BEING TOO TIGHTLY BRED. I DO NOT THINK IT WILL SHOW DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE LAKELAND AND THE RUSSELL ARE NOT CLOSELY RELATED AT ALL. AS A MATTER OF A FACT THEY ARE DIFFERENT BREEDS OF TERRIER. THIS BREEDING WOULD BE CONSIDERED A 50/50 OUTCROSS AND THE LITTER WOULD SHOW HYBRID VIGOR. IF THEY ARE BOTH GOOD WORKERS, I SAY BREED EM. GOOD LUCK AND KEEP US POSTED....DANIEL

[Guest ooty]

whoever said undershot dogs cant eat, WHAT A COMPLETE LOAD OF BO**UX, if the dog thats going over her is undershot and hes still good i woudlnt worry about undershot jaws if the dog works and does its job i couldnt really care, like you said its no show dog get him on her if hes that good his undershot jaw dont stop his working so i dont think itll stop the pups

think you'l find.its breeding undershot dogs that can cause cleft pallets.then your fu*d .go for it!! aint my dogs,just possable you may have to kull a few.lurcher boy Edited June 23, 2008 by ooty

[CumbrianJack 2]

I was told by an old terrierman that an undershot dog is not as bad as an overshot one because an undershot dog has as good a bite pressure as a normal scissor bite, where as an overshot or parrot mouth has not got enough bite pressure to be a useful working dog.

It really depends on how undershot the dog is, if just slight then i'd not worry about it, however if its a good 1/2" -1" i'd have to think it through some more, if i had the choice of 2 dogs equal in ability but one had a good mouth & the other not i'd use the dog with the good mouth so as not to set in a genetic trait of bad mouths if i wanted to breed from the future off sping but if you have no other choice then cross your fingers & hope for a good outcome, most of the time they don't reproduce it first time round but it can hit the next generation.

Best of luck

[johnnyboy28 1]

Except if that problem passes on it could be a whole lot worse resulting in a dog unable to eat properly, let alone work. Find a dog with a decent mouth, loads about.

ALOT OF TIMES WHEN A DOG COMES UNDER OR OVER SHOT IT IS DUE TO BEING TOO TIGHTLY BRED. I DO NOT THINK IT WILL SHOW DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE LAKELAND AND THE RUSSELL ARE NOT CLOSELY RELATED AT ALL. AS A MATTER OF A FACT THEY ARE DIFFERENT BREEDS OF TERRIER. THIS BREEDING WOULD BE CONSIDERED A 50/50 OUTCROSS AND THE LITTER WOULD SHOW HYBRID VIGOR. IF THEY ARE BOTH GOOD WORKERS, I SAY BREED EM. GOOD LUCK AND KEEP US POSTED....DANIEL

 

 

Dont matter over shot is not hereditary but undershot is

Like one of the other guys said it might not come out in this litter of pups but they will all carry

[Guest lurcherboy2008]

whoever said undershot dogs cant eat, WHAT A COMPLETE LOAD OF BO**UX, if the dog thats going over her is undershot and hes still good i woudlnt worry about undershot jaws if the dog works and does its job i couldnt really care, like you said its no show dog get him on her if hes that good his undershot jaw dont stop his working so i dont think itll stop the pups

think you'l find.its breeding undershot dogs that can cause cleft pallets.then your fu*d .go for it!! aint my dogs,just possable you may have to kull a few.lurcher boy

 

why kull a few? if they worker to worker bred then dont worry what the mouths turn out like aslong as they work, like he said the father is undershot, he sais hes a good worker, ask him if he's had any problems with that OOTY

[Guest ooty]

whoever said undershot dogs cant eat, WHAT A COMPLETE LOAD OF BO**UX, if the dog thats going over her is undershot and hes still good i woudlnt worry about undershot jaws if the dog works and does its job i couldnt really care, like you said its no show dog get him on her if hes that good his undershot jaw dont stop his working so i dont think itll stop the pups

think you'l find.its breeding undershot dogs that can cause cleft pallets.then your fu*d .go for it!! aint my dogs,just possable you may have to kull a few.lurcher boy

 

why kull a few? if they worker to worker bred then dont worry what the mouths turn out like aslong as they work, like he said the father is undershot, he sais hes a good worker, ask him if he's had any problems with that OOTY

his most likely to have trouble if the problem starts to breed clefts when the food and drink runs back out ov its nose and you either have to seringe feed it or have it put down,to work a dog with overshot\undershot mouth thats doing the job fine but you do risk BREEDING clefts.you ask him lurcherBOY it aint me that wants to risk breeding fu*d dogs Edited June 23, 2008 by ooty

[Guest lurcherboy2008]

why kull a few? if they worker to worker bred then dont worry what the mouths turn out like aslong as they work, like he said the father is undershot, he sais hes a good worker, ask him if he's had any problems with that OOTY

his most likely to have trouble if the problem starts to breed clefts when the food and drink runs back out ov its nose and you either have to seringe feed it or have it put down,to work a dog with overshot\undershot mouth thats doing the job fine but you do risk BREEDING clefts.you ask him lurcherBOY it aint me that wants to risk breeding fu*d dogs

 

 

smart are the dogs ain fu*d its undershot and by the sounds of it works his game well, tell me how its fu*d

[POSSUM 13]

The fellow is talking about breeding two (2) different breeds of working terriers, and in this case no kin whatsoever. The flaws that have been described are more than likely caused by inbreeding or linebreeding. This breeding would be considered a 50/50 outcross and hybrid vigor would clean up any flaws that have been caused by inbreeding or linebreeding to get the lakeland. Now if we take offspring from this breeding and inbreed or line breed them, then you would start to notice flaws. I could agree if the female in question was kin to the lakeland OR WAS A LAKELAND, but the fact is, she's a russell...I'M NOT TRYING TO DISRESPECT ANYONE'S OPINION, I am just giving my opinion, based upon my experiences, with breeding.....Daniel