How do you feel about vaccinating puppies?

[hairybull 3]

All my pups are done as in my area you are guaranteed a big vet bill or dead dog if you dont.

On the farm we didnt bother so much, they'd get done at 12 wks and that was it.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

There is a 2006 update of that pdf here .....

 

Interesting that vets never tell you that the Lepto vax only lasts for about six months and has only 50-75% effectiveness, depending on the serovar.

 

 

DOT; I could hug ye and kiss ye! (Err ..... In a Manly, non Liberal, Arms Bearing, Nothing suggesting 'Gay' about it, Texan sort of way that is!) Sorry, mate; Been too long in " ForumWarz.com " !

 

That's f*cking Brilliant! Thankyou so much!

 

Now, my own eyes are bleeding just now. I've just done pushing eight hours in my Family Tree site and I'm completely drained - and even more Irish!!! But I shall read that update, once I've recovered. I'll ask Ian to append it to my original Locked Posting and shall ask that You be credited with fetching us the Update

 

Now; If only half these half baked " I was born genetically encoded to know better than an unbiased raft of f*cking dedicated Scientists " type ostriches would just take an evening or two out of their own lives to show themselves how to care for their Dogs for the Rest of their f*cking lives!

 

Some F*cking Chance! They Already 'Know' their shit

[Guest chook]

I dont vacc any of my dogs and never will, even though i have lost two young dogs years a go to parvo,,

what vets fail to tell you is you dog can still catch parvo even when they have had there vacc's,

theres no guarantee, out of the nine dogs i had only two died, three came down with mild symptoms of it,

you can have your dog titer tested, it works out a lot cheaper .

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.../titer_test.htm

 

i do now give nosode's but only if i am going to be taking the dogs where there are lots of dogs around,

nosode's dont produce titers against disease like a vaccination, they are not vaccine replacements. but they do seem to moderate a disease condition if the animal is exposed, even if they don't prevent it.

[blacktabs 3]

Our familys had a mantle of lurchers over the years there jabbed first time then boostered at 3 yrs thats it never had any disease on the yard even with dogs dying either side of us with parvo at one time good grub clean kennels and yard also helps plenty of bleach used at ours.

Interesting point about lepto but 50% is better than no cover a all i would have thought.

[DevoidOvTalent 0]

DOT; I could hug ye and kiss ye! (Err ..... In a Manly, non Liberal, Arms Bearing, Nothing suggesting 'Gay' about it, Texan sort of way that is!) Sorry, mate; Been too long in " ForumWarz.com " !

 

I'm female, so you don't have to worry too much about my taking offense at a hug, though I'm not one to just let strangers paw away at me, mind you. I knew I had that file on my hard drive somewhere, and just had to find a link to it.

 

FWIW, the vast majority of vaccine failure is due to vaccinating too young, while maternal antibodies are still present, or due to improper storage of vaccines. According to Dr. Ronald Schultz, who is the Vaccine Guy, 95% of puppies vaccinated after the age of twelve weeks will seroconvert. You really have to design a vaccine program that is correct for your situation; if I waited until twelve weeks for a first vaccination I would have dead pups, because Parvo is rampant in my area and is easily transferred by flies and windblown dirt, which we have more than enough of. You can't raise pups in a bubble and I'd much rather vaccinate early and let my pups have a proper upbringing digging in the dirt and playing outside than keep them locked up until twelve weeks. I had a litter get Parvo at four and another at six weeks old (between vaccines), so I vaccinate for Parvo only very early, at five weeks with a high titer vaccine designed to override maternal antibodies, Neopar. You can't raise pups in a bubble and I'd much rather vaccinate early and let my pups have a proper upbringing digging in the dirt and playing outside than keep them locked up until twelve weeks. Most pups will be exposed to shed vaccinal virus from other dogs and form immunity to that before they are exposed to wild virus anyways, but not mine, I can pretty much guarantee they will be exposed to wild Parvo virus and lots of it. I wait until after twelve weeks and do a single Distemper vaccine, because we do see occasional Distemper cases. I do not vaccinate my adults, except for Rabies, and I only do Parvo and Distemper for pups.

 

I have a paper published in 2001 that shows that Parvo vaccines containing the CPV2-b serovar provide better protection than vaccines containing the older CPV2 serovar. So for maximum protection, you want a vaccine that uses the CPV2-b strain. HOWEVER, there are still manufacturers producing and selling vaccines that DON'T use that strain, they use the older CPV2 strain or a proprietary strain, and people buy them thinking their puppies will be protected. Since CPV-2b has pretty much replaced CPV2 worldwide, you'd think they'd stop making the older type vaccines. To provide your puppies with the best protection you have to be an educated consumer and take your own environment into consideration.

[Simoman 110]

Must admit, get my pups jabbed and boosters each year..............

[ferreterni 29]

Thanks for settling my mind. Have never had any faith in the booster system but any time any of the dogs the family keeps takes ill the vet spouts parvo parvo parvo, whatever is at fault. Am a lot more confidant now to follow my own thought and just carry on without boosters, 3 of my dogs have had puppy jabs and boosters for last 3 years and lurcher not had any, they all live and cover the same ground, and are all in perfect health.

[Jess 0]

I dont know how people feel about alternative healing and whatever but my best mate has bred dogs for years and lost a top breeding dog and his litter to Parvo with the help of a vet (the only thing the vet did was give them a massive bill for the dead dogs). My mate decided that to try an old remedy she had been told about for beating parvo, Brewers yeast and natural yoghurt. She has since found that if it is caught early enough then they can be saved by giving them this combo. As I said earlier we only vaccinate pups when the buyer asks us to do so but if they do want them vaccinated they are already on the yoghurt and brewers yeast and touch wood we havent lost any since.

[Guest chook]

brewers yeast and garlic is good for keeping worms and fleas at bay, mine haven't been wormed for over two years,

and have never been de-flead and never had ticks,

natural yoghurt is good for when they have been ill or had Ab's it helps restore the natural balance of the gut,

 

first ive heard though of them helping dogs through parvo, but suppose anythings possible.

[pegleg 0]

i personally have always vacc my pups and have raised more then a few litters and kept several to death and as a point have always vaccinated all my dogs in the spring and fall. and they get rabies as required.the reason i do is i have never had a bad experience with them if i had i would surely give it thought. i use a five way shat on all my pups and a seven way on the adults i also worm them regularly. i've only ever had two dogs die of any of these causes . one was a 4 month old pup i had bought years ago that died of parvo wether it had been vacinated or not i don't recall. so it can't be considered in this debate. the other was a six year old that died of heartworms and had not been medicated against them. i have since deciced for myself to give the shots. but i also use a dead virus instead of live. and the types and amount of game along with the wide geographic area we hunt it just makes me feel better knowing if they come in contact with a carrier that they are protect to the best of my capabilities. but like i said that if i had the problems stated here i would look into it.

[damashaman 1]

I agree with black tabs. Labour conquers all things, scrubbing with bleach (sodium hyperchlorite) kills parvo cheaply.

 

I vaccinate when pups have been off the tit for about 2-3 weeks, (mostly at 4-5 weeks of age) they are vunerable to parvo at this time. I bleach all the bowls every day too, and have a bleach foot dip. But I only boost every 4 years and I have never had a problem or lost a pup. Parvo is a puppy killer around the time of weaning is the most likely time to pick up the disease, when they are on the tit until 8 weeks like the kennel club like, they don't get it so much. that is why the kennel club advocate the pups be homed at a minimum age of 8 weeks, and the vets are happy with there generic 8-10 wk jab and out at 12 weeks system. It also gives k.c. breeders more time to find show types in there own stock. The mother's milk (because of natural antibodies in the milk) can interfere with a vaccine and nullify it if the pups are still suckling!

[High Accent 1]

Hi, Here in South Africa i have to vaccinate my pups at 5 weeks or at 7 weeks all will be dead..Coz of Parvo...

And maybe i will re vaccinate the pups at 8 weeks.

Edited June 17, 2008 by High Accent

[swanseajack 227]

from personal experience I always jab my pups at a young age 10-12 weeks...

 

Most recently lost a litter of GSD's at 10 weeks, 4 bedlington pups at 6 weekish due to a non vaccinated lurcher coming into my kennels, lost the lurcher who was 2 1/2 year old at the time.. Lost two lurchers, 1 terrier and a shed full of ferrets years back...

 

So yes, I will always jab them, My vets advice 'WORKING DOGS DO NOT NEED BOOSTERS' they come into contact with all sorts of diseases which makes their immune system a lot stronger than the average house dog/pet etc...

 

for those of you who don't jab them, good luck, but it can be easily avoided...

[saluki bouy 742]

i lost my whippet this time last year with Parvo had had vaccinations and everything boosters an all up to date ,other whippet excatly the same all up to date had mild systoms

so i told the vet to stick his bill for putting the dog down as his advice was to vaccinate and it didnt work all in all i loose a good worker a load of cash

[SkeetChamp 0]

i only jab em at pups and then leave them nd they all live fine!!