How do you feel about vaccinating puppies?

[Jess 0]

Hi guys just wondering how you guys feel about vaccinating puppies?

We only vaccinate if the buyer requests that it be done (an extra $50 is added to price to cover costs)

what's the general consensus on here about vacc?

[moggs 18]

Hi guys just wondering how you guys feel about vaccinating puppies?

We only vaccinate if the buyer requests that it be done (an extra $50 is added to price to cover costs)

what's the general consensus on here about vacc?

 

To tell the truth every pup i,ve had vaccinated has died before the age of 4. Terrier, whipet and spaniel pups. Ive got a black lakeland dog now that is 13 and has never had a jab, well only penecillin. Now i dont know whether it was just bad luck i had with the vaccinated pups but the ones that havent been done have always lasted longer with me. And i did keep up with the boosters.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

To tell the truth every pup i,ve had vaccinated has died before the age of 4 ..... And i did keep up with the boosters.

 

 

" Boosters " kill more Dogs than they do jack shit for, Moggs. Read Till They Bleed.

[moggs 18]

To tell the truth every pup i,ve had vaccinated has died before the age of 4 ..... And i did keep up with the boosters.

 

 

" Boosters " kill more Dogs than they do jack shit for, Moggs. Read Till They Bleed.

 

Enough said DS. So i take it you dont bother with vaccinations or just the boosters?

[Jess 0]

Ditch I just want to say Hallef*ckinglujah!!

We dont vaccinate against parvo virus because in our experience many of the puppies vaccinated against develop it anyway. A friend of mine had a litter of pups that they had vaccinated of the 3 pups that they vaccinated 2 ended up with vomiting and diarrhoea and then having seizures. My mate has photos and videos of the seizures to show to conscientious f*cks who insist we are being cruel by not vaccinating.

When we sell pups we prefer to sell them unvaccinated, but so many people dont want an unvaccinated pup which is why we give them the option.

[chris hickling 14]

i get them all jabed up as pups then thats it.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

i get them all jabed up as pups then thats it.

 

Enough said DS. So i take it you dont bother with vaccinations or just the boosters?

 

 

Like Chris, Moggs; I get the two 'Puppy Jabs' done ~ only I wait till the pup's 15 weeks old before it has the first one. That's a personal thing. But, research and soul searching led me there.

 

Furthermore; IF (and that's a f*ck of an If!) I could find such a NON 'All In One' jab available, I'd f*ck the So Called 'Lepto' component off. That one's next to worthless. It's a sham. I've had a few people come at me now, saying " Oh, but My vet has a jab which Works! ". Really? So says the white coat! Let's see Them jack up on this new wonder jab ~ I'll supply them the rats piss .....

 

I'd LOVE to find a verifiable, peer reviewed, empirically tested and proven defense against Leptospirosis. I have yet to be shown one. It's a smoke screen, at best. F*cking dangerous, far more likely. Ignore the Lepto' component. It's piss water. That's my opinion. Based on research and experience.

 

 

Jess; I've never yet been visited by Parvo. Maybe because I've only bred three litters in my life? Maybe because I'll as soon take an older Dog as a pup? Maybe I just never got such vile luck, period?

 

Maybe, because of a lifetime untouched by that one, I just don't fret about it too much? Thus I'm not too 'Up' on it. But I can't help but feel I read, not so long ago, that a healthy, adult Dog is just about as likely to contract a serious dose of it as be run over by a bolt of lightening. Don't quote me on that! But I really do feel, personally, that Parvo is one of natures Joker cards. If it's going to blow in on the wind? It will. But I'd still be interested to know how many individual pups die of that horrible disease, per year. And how many never experience it. To become perfectly healthy adults. Then run into something more tangable - or are themselves run into by such. Or just plain die naturally, of old age, like mine tend to do.

 

I'm not some Guru of Innocculation Protocol. I'm just a bloke who cares so much about Dogs that I've made a serious personal study of the issues. It's one of the few things we Can control for our Dogs. Like feeding them right. I strive to find the best way for those who depend on me.

 

As it says in the Post I've linked to above; I can't Make anyone put in the effort to read that PDF it offers ye. But I personally believe That's the best starting point of true understanding available right now.

 

Now I'll leave this Thread to others, to plant their own comments, opinions and views. I'll be checking it though just for any new, substanciated and cited, unbiased scientific Fact. I don't deal in Snake Oil and won't let any c*** in a white coat stick such shit in my Dogs either.

 

Up to you what ye do yeselves. I'd digest that PDF.

[poacher2225 2]

i get them all jabed up as pups then thats it.

that's all i do as well at about 3 month old thay git jabed and that's it them two jab's is it i only do that cos the dog's all got parvo about 11 year ago and it killed them all of but ive not had it since then in aney of my dog's but it's been about and done other people's dog's in around hear

[Guest SJM]

I switched over to homeopathic nosodes a few years back, no problems touch wood, WAY cheaper as well

[sandymere 8,263]

Lot of reading, based on USA though relvant to all, but worth the effort.

 

Leptospirosis by Dr. Henry De Boer Jr.

 

Question: My dog was recently diagnosed with Leptospirosis. What is this disease and where would my dog have been exposed to it? My dog never misses his annual vaccinations – shouldn't’t they have protected him?

Answer: Leptospirosis is considered to be a reemerging disease of companion animals. This disease has been recognized for over one hundred years, and there has been an effective commercial vaccine available for approximately the last thirty years. Until recently, the incidence of the disease was relatively low. However, in the last eight to ten years the incidence of this disease has increased. In the last two to three years it has been diagnosed with increasing frequency country wide, particularly in Alabama, Georgia, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey and New York.

This disease can cause an array of clinical signs. The severity of the disease can vary widely but it has the potential to be extremely severe, and in fact fatal. Symptoms are typical of kidney and/or liver disease, and can include, fever, loss of appetite, muscle pain, dehydration, vomiting, diarrhea and bleeding. Some dogs will have an increased water consumption and urine output while others may have a decreasing output of urine. Jaundice may occur, and the dog may be painful in the abdominal area or in the lower back. In extremely acute cases, a dog may suddenly go into shock and succumb.

The course of this disease can be chronic or extremely acute. Due in part to the fact that the symptoms in chronic cases can be vague as well as the fact that it has not been a common disease for many years, the potential for confusing the diagnosis with other diseases is possible.

Laboratory work is essential to establishing the diagnosis of Leptospirosis.. On a routine blood count and blood chemistry there are typically abnormalities that suggest kidney or liver disease. Diagnosing Leptospirosis definitively however, depends on demonstrating the organism in urine or in kidney or liver biopsy specimens. Antibody testing is also available, but early on in the course of the disease the results can be difficult to evaluate with accuracy. Your veterinarian and the testing laboratory can help guide you through the diagnostic challenge created by this disease.

Once Leptospirosis is diagnosed, treatment is undertaken with aggressive antibiotic therapy as well as supportive care. The specifics of these therapies are dictated by the magnitude and duration of the disease as well as what damage has been done to organ systems. Since Leptospirosis is infectious to humans, strict sanitary precautions should be taken when handling blood, urine or stool of infected animals. Also, infected dogs should be confined in such a way so as to avoid contact with other dogs as well as those areas that children would play in such as playgrounds, sandboxes, ponds or wading areas.

Understanding why this disease has reemerged requires some understanding of the organism itself as well as the manner in which it is transmitted.

Leptospirosis a bacteria of which there are seven species that are pathogenic. Among these species there are more than 200 pathogenic varieties (serovars), worldwide. Historically, in the United States, two varieties (canicola and icterohaemorrhagiae) were primarily responsible for the disease in dogs. The incidence of infection from these two has declined over the past thirty years most likely due in large measure to vaccination. The increase in cases most recently has been due primarily to the varieties pomona and grippotyphosa. Until recently no vaccine for these varieties was available, and vaccination for canicola and icterohaemorrhagiae does not protect dogs from pomona and grippotyphosa.

Leptospira varieties have what are termed maintainance hosts and incidental hosts. Maintenance hosts are those animal species which serve as a reservoir for the Leptospira organism, and in which transmission is very efficient. Incidental hosts include those species of animals that do not act as reservoirs, but that can be infected by the organism. The organism replicates in the kidneys of maintenance hosts and is shed in the urine. In warm damp environments the organism can survive for months in water or soil. Transmission can occur to the new host, either maintenance or incidental, by coming in contact with contaminated water, soil or the carcass of an infected animal. Given the fact that maintenance hosts for pomona and grippotyphosa include skunks, opossums, raccoons and small rodents it is easy to see how our dogs could readily be exposed to this organism when they swim or run in wooded areas or parks.

Prevention of this disease clearly is preferable to treating it, and there is now a vaccine that protects against all the common varieties of Leptospira. For those of us in areas, or traveling into areas where there have been outbreaks, vaccination should be a consideration. If you are unaware of the magnitude of the problem in your area, a call to your regular veterinarian or possibly your state veterinarian may be an appropriate step to take to asess your dogs level of risk.

Dr. Henry De Boer Jr. practices veterinary medicine at his Pioneer Valley Veterinary Hospital in western Massachusetts.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

" Leptospirosis : an effective commercial vaccine available for approximately the last thirty years. and there is now a vaccine that protects against all the common varieties of Leptospira. "

 

Dr. Henry De Boer Jr. practices veterinary medicine at his Pioneer Valley Veterinary Hospital in western Massachusetts.

 

('And Protestantism is the Only True Faith. And Subaru, like I drive, is the best motor out there. And The Redskins should win the Superbowl'.)

 

So says a white coat with a vested interest in selling these 'vaccines'. Where does he cite their names and peer reviews??? We are supposed to simply accept what he says in blind faith

[pointer 543]

if the jab dosent work how come working dogs arent dying from killing rats?

or do dogs have natural immunity to the disease?

[Guest WILF]

Each to there own, but its belt and braces here

[witton 6]

Mine get jabbed up as pups but never botherd with boosters...

Wouldn't recommend it tho like a lot of things do at own risk....its your decision.

Witton

[DevoidOvTalent 0]

" Boosters " kill more Dogs than they do jack shit for, Moggs. Read Till They Bleed.

 

There is a 2006 update of that pdf here:

 

http://www.aahanet.org/resources/guidelines_canine.aspx

 

Interesting that vets never tell you that the Lepto vax only lasts for about six months and has only 50-75% effectiveness, depending on the serovar.