dickyboy 1 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Well pretty much central south! just a generalisation! gonna get me in trouble i can see it! there are a few ppl around with lurchers butan awful lot of fences so not that good lurcher ground. and in my local vacinity and the surrounding estates very few keepers or general ppl have working lurchers. Also hard to assatain permission. I suppose they just don't understand em. more labs and cockers or springers really. just shooting people. Didn't mean to offend people but all round me thats the view!! maybe just cos i more in the shooting side of it! Wish i knew more lurcher people round here Quote Link to post
bullsmilk 2 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 yep its a bit shitty wher i am i was out near the kent airport today looks like some good coursing ground there big open fields.ime finding it hard to find permission to oh ile keep trying Quote Link to post
Guest Nightwalker Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Hi Dickyboy I'm a soft Southern pansy as well, originally from the South West now in the South East. From what you have said you want the dog for, I would rule out first cross bull X or collie x's as most likely to be too slow, I personally also hate the collie temperament and dont like bull x aggression. I think that a bedlington/grey would probably be ideal for you but in reality what you want your dog to do is pretty basic lurcher work and with a bit of effort on your part almost any dog with a decent turn of speed could do it. There are a lot of well bred lurchers out there with all sorts in them that do very well, just make sure that any pup you get is from solid working stock and check out the owners. Some of the strains of saluki blooded lurchers are formidable killers and will lamp well as well as ferret and will catch in small fields as well as large. I would avoid whippet blooded dogs - sorry but in 30 years of working lurchers I have never seen a whippet cross that I wanted to own although I have only had one whippet blooded dog myself. Bigger dogs are more versatile than smaller dogs but if you arent going to do a lot of deer than you dont need a particularly big dog. Almost anything with 3/4 greyhound in it would do all you want and more, I have had several very good 3/4 grey/1/4 collies which worked well and didnt have that infuriating collie temperament but if you go this route buy from someone who breeds from working stock not a puppy farmer like Hancock. I think that rough coated dogs get fewer cuts and injuries than smooth dogs which is important with a , lot of fences around - a dog full of stitches costs you money and wont catch anything while on the sick list. This might push you more towards the bedlington X or possible a deerhound cross although using a deerhound x mostly for rabbitting is like using a Rolls Royce to deliver milk. All the ones I have had have been very bright, easy to train, non-aggressive and formidable killers of all game. Curiously first cross deerhound greys can sometimes be smaller than second crosses which are often quite variable - with some being very greyhoundy, and others like my current bitch throwing very strongly to the deerhound. Anyway, good luck, I was 15 when I got my first lurchers and 30 years later have never been without one since. I have had most types of dog in that time but I have had wonderful sport with my dogs over that time. Quote Link to post
clinton 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 mate i don't know much about hunting over that way but if it were me and wanted a hard fast dog.i would go for something along the lines of deerhound,greyhound ,airdale terrier Quote Link to post
yeeharr 41 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Just to clear it up once and for all! My life story and About me!!! I am 20years old and was just pissing about with the "mummy" comment as she does rule the household!!! Where I am and in the line of work(gamekeeping in the south) lurchers are purely associated with gypsys and didn't know if boss had an anti lurcher view I have owned and trained many dogs for a charity(puppy socialising) have also trained very difficult breeds and had experience with aggresive dogs but as i live at home i have to comply with "MUMMYS" rules We have owned 2 lurcher(whippet/greyhound x collie/lab but never worked them! Have only got into fieldsports in the last 2 years when i started work experience with a keeper. He does not really participate in fieldsports just clayshootng and obviously game shooting. I have no experience of fieldsports (in particular dog sports) apart from ferreting this season when i got some ferrets late in the season just to practice with And for Mr yeehar there gamekeeping is not a fieldsport it produces for a fieldsport. After working 12-15hr dys all summer and shoot days and college in the season i have very little time to do fieldsports But now i have time as i am being employed i do have time for a dog!!! If you don't like me f*/k off? a breed question ain't a propaganda collecting question is it?!?!?!? If i asked who killed a fox with a dog this year that would be an anti question? THINK ABOUT IT Just a couple of questions........ Why were you doing work experience at 18 years of age? Why so late? Where are you going to college and what course are you studying? ( I know it's gamekeeping but would like you to be a bit more specific) You got some ferrets to practice with? Practice what? I'm from the south and have knowledge of gamekeeping. I never said gamekeeping was a fieldsport but you never said that you had had any lurchers prior to this post. Gamekeepers in the south think lurchers are gipsys dogs? I'm from West Sussex, originally from Surrey and I say you're talking BOLLOCKS! Be more specific about your location. Has anyone provided you with details of their permission yet? Is Dickyboy your only forum name? Do you use the same name on other forums?? Think before you answer someone may have information on your alter egos. Anti's spend weeks and months posting on forums, increasing their forum status, establishing a rapport with other members before they start with the bullshit. Quote Link to post
dickyboy 1 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Can i ask does anyone else need me to justify myself and my questions by answering all of yeehars posts? As they are quite probing and slightly to close to home as he quite rightly says there are unscroupulus people out there! I have been speaking to a couple of other people and they have also suggested greyhound, deerhound, collie crosses. In particular one said something along the lines of 1/2 greyhound 1/4 deerhound 1/4 collie!! Has anyone had any experience of dogs like this? I feel this may have the brains, gameness, speed and size i'm after! Do these crosses mix well? Cheers Quote Link to post
bullsmilk 2 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Just a couple of questions........ Why were you doing work experience at 18 years of age? Why so late? Where are you going to college and what course are you studying? ( I know it's gamekeeping but would like you to be a bit more specific) You got some ferrets to practice with? Practice what? I'm from the south and have knowledge of gamekeeping. I never said gamekeeping was a fieldsport but you never said that you had had any lurchers prior to this post. Gamekeepers in the south think lurchers are gipsys dogs? I'm from West Sussex, originally from Surrey and I say you're talking BOLLOCKS! Be more specific about your location. Has anyone provided you with details of their permission yet? Is Dickyboy your only forum name? Do you use the same name on other forums?? Think before you answer someone may have information on your alter egos. Anti's spend weeks and months posting on forums, increasing their forum status, establishing a rapport with other members before they start with the bullshit. yerrharr you seem to be asking alot of questions yourself and you seem to know alot about what antis do for a newbi .........give the lad a break when he starts asking if your going out badger baiting then you can worry....... ...until then lay off him a bitt his just inquisitive were you never young Quote Link to post
dickyboy 1 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 YEEHARR Bollox to it i'll answer them anyway!! I have not even asked to go out on any ones permission as i do not have a dog yet i am only learning and it would be rude!! I have not spoken to enough people for long enough to ask to go out with anyone, expect to be invited out or invite anyone to where i have permission!!! PRACTICE the art of ferreting so i know what to do before i try and teach a dog what to do!!! Rabbits are unpredictable little critters and i wanted some experience before i tried to get a dog some experience!!! Work Experience - Cos i was training to be a builder but as i am a tall slender lad this was not a wise choice of prefession so i looked at several agricultural colleges for tree surgery then stumbled upon game and wildlife management!!!!! This is when i found a keeper to help don't get paid so is work experience!!!!! As you will know this is what you need in this line of work!!!! As for you all you have done is come on here and give me and someone else grief. Which says alot about your character!!!!!! You have offered no help or advice or experiences of your own. Maybe if you were a known respected member i would have more credit for your questions but you don't!!! so it is you that i and maybe others should be suspicious of!!! Sorry if you are buti ain't getting slagged off for no reqason. Now either keep yourself to yourself and try and offer some practical advice or f**k off. I am willing to forget what has been said up to this point if you refrain from abuse to me and others you have given home truths!!!!! Thank You Thank you Bullsmilk! Quote Link to post
Guest scottywong Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 ignore the f###witt dicky boy he's probs a anti trying to get ppl on his side.your getting the replys from the blokes who know what they are on about (and is very interesting for us that nothing about the dog side of field sports)the only ones that matter. these places are for exactly this reason so like minded people can exchange ideas and experience,and learn.no one is born knowing this stuff(in the south at least)and what you say is true the farmers and game keepers in the south east do assocciate lurchers with gypos and do take some convincing other wise. scotty Quote Link to post
yeeharr 41 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 { yerrharr you seem to be asking alot of questions yourself and you seem to know alot about what antis do for a newbi .........give the lad a break when he starts asking if your going out badger baiting then you can worry....... ...until then lay off him a bitt his just inquisitive were you never young Fair enough. I may be a newbie here but ain't a newbie to hunting forums and working dogs. I've hunted with dogs in England, done some digging and run greyhounds in Ireland and hunted sanglier in France with wire haired fox terriers. I've got a 9 inch scar down my chest from a f*****g anti with a stanley. I am active on other forums and have been for some time. Dickyboy Get a collie/whippet x greyhound. Plenty of early pace. If you go down the deerhound x greyhound route you'll probably find that the dog doesn't get time to open up if there's fences everywhere. That cross should have enough about it to tackle charlie and deer. However bear in mind that it takes a good dog to take charlie single handed. I have a collie x whippet at the moment, fast as f**k and clever. He's got the bollocks to tackle charlie but he's still young and has only assisted my pals Beddy x greyhound. He can catch the fox first but lacks the power to turn/roll them. I used to run my dogs on Mitcham Common and met a fella there who was training a pair of spaniels. He gave me permission to his 600 acre shoot near Tandridge, as long as I left the birds alone and didn't go lamping before shoot days. Maybe, because I had running dogs before I was a keeper, I have a different idea about them than other keepers but there are seven shoots near mine and a group of lads from Crawley and East Grinstead run dogs on them all. Best security there is. Quote Link to post
bullsmilk 2 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 we have had a break through not one bit of abuse towards dicky dose that mean weve all kissed n made up lol :friends: Quote Link to post
dickyboy 1 Posted January 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Yes i suppose it could well mean that! Your advice is very handy yeeharr as we are very near to each other! It is amazing to know that there is such an anti lurcher view my way and so pro lurcher your way as we're a matter of miles apart How big would a dog bred like that grow? And are collie crosses one man one dog sorts dogs? Quote Link to post
ratkilla 35 Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 yeeharr, dickyboy, wheres bouts u lads from i know the area u lads r talking bout??? Quote Link to post
Guest the dogs bollok Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 yeeehar suk my cheesy stump u sacccccccc Quote Link to post
yeeharr 41 Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 yeeehar suk my cheesy stump u sacccccccc Go f**k yourself you spunky eyed brothel bred mothers b*****d!!! Quote Link to post
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