Can ye help

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Can ye put me in the picture?

 

Ya see, last Sunday night while out controlling the local fox population for a farmer who has had problems with his lambs, a couple of my mates were stopped by the local boys in blue.

 

Everything was hunky at the beginning, certs were shown, the farmers name was given to the boys, until one of the boys in blue noticed that the lads both had silencers on their rifles. Things then changed, the cops got all official with the lads, both silencers were taken and the lads were told that such items were illegal and that the local super from Wicklow would be in touch with the lads, and the cops informed them that their rifles may be confiscated at a later stage. The cop went on to tell my mate that the treaded rifle was also illegal. My rifle came factory threaded.

 

Where do we stand on this issue, do we need a special permit for such an item, any help would be much appreciated

[alimac 882]

the mods need to be on your / there certificate , even if you bought the rifle pre threaded..

[Ratman2 2]

I'm not sure what the laws are with you mate but I think your boys in blue have their heads right up where the sun don't shine.

In England any silencers used must be granted on your ticket. As for a rifle being illegal if it's threaded for a silencer must surely be cods whollop.

I shall be watching this topic with interest.

Best of luck to all concerned.

[SportingShooter 0]

As alimac says,

The moderators are a seperate firearm on your certificates. They need to be shown on there so that situations like this can be avoided.

 

The fact that your rifle is threaded is neither here nor there if there is no mod on it, then it is a normal rifle.

 

What rifles are they? Rimfire/Centrefire, and where did you get the mods from as you shouldnt be able to buy them for a FAC rifle unless they are on your FAC.

 

This could land you in trouble.

 

SS

 

Edited: Didnt think about the fact you are in Ireland! In that case the las may be wholly different, the above is in the UK.

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Regarding the mod, you can walk into any shop here and buy one over the counter, no problem.

[markbivvy 6]

Regarding the mod, you can walk into any shop here and buy one over the counter, no problem.

 

over here you need a slot on your ticket for them, unless its a 12 ft lb air rifle,

as far as i know all air rifles in Ireland are fac, so do you not need authority to posses.

[Guest JohnGalway]

Alrighty, they're right and they're wrong.

 

First off, silencers are NOT illegal, so they're wrong on that point. However, you DO need to have permission to have one from your local Superintendent They may have meant that the silencers (if no permission was granted) were held illegally. If they didn't have that permission from the Super I would imagine they're in a bit of bother. I would contact the NARGC as quickly as possible for advice, phone them do not rely on email. I would also think that threaded rifles being illegal is complete bollocks, many many rifles are sold factory threaded

 

Now, gun dealers can and do sell silencers over the counter to anyone who walks into their shop. The law is complete shit on this, here's why. There is absolutely NO legal obligation on any gun dealer to ask to see your letter of permission to have a silencer. They cannot be prosecuted for selling a silencer to you. It's my opinion that the law in this case encourages people to break the law and needs changing ASAP. I don't think gun dealers are helping their customers by doing this either.

 

Mark is correct about all air rifles needing a Firearms Certificate

[SNAP SHOT 194]

A mod is only classed as illegal if it's fitted onto the rifle, it is then classed as a restricted rifle, how ever if the mod was sitting in your house then it is not illegal. No brainer i know........ However there is no law on threaded rifle barrel's this is complete nonsence, the gardi do not know 1/10 of the firearms laws within this country. but the rifles may be confiscated, So the NARGC is and should be your first port of call. they may be luck and just get a slap on the wrist and the mod confiscated...........but seeing as the gun culture is growing they may be made an example of i'm sorry to say.

The local garda patrol car stopped me and the farmer one night while out foxing, i was about 100ft into a field when they put the spot on us as the jeep was stopped at the side of the road.......... i was told to lay my rifle on the ground which i did, then they proceeded to bollock me about how dangerous it was while hopping over the fence to talk. Then they proceeded to put me under caution, which i said was rediculus, and why was i under caution. they said for shooting at night!!!!!!!!!!!!! while beside a public road.

i then told them they were wrong and all hell broke loose. Are you telling us how to do our job..............etc.

i then produced my insurance details, gun licence and proof of ID. and they said they would be in touch....... i never heard a thing because i knew i was 100% within the law.......

 

 

let me know how you get on as this will be intresting for everyone hunting in ireland.................wish them luck.................

[clay man 0]

hi as far as i know you need a cert for your mod just go in to the cops and tell them you want one they cant refuse you one

my one is renewed every year

[macconraoi 0]

I get a separate cert every September from my local Superintendent which states that i am allowed to have a Moderator on my rifle.I could not purchase a moderator from 2 local gunshops until i had applied separately for a moderator and received cert for same.I then produced cert to shop no problem.

[Corkonian 44]

Edited June 9, 2009 by Corkonian

[macconraoi 0]

It's not a firearms cert as such though? Just a letter of permission from the super - you don't pay for it either.

 

macconraoi - were you in Jeffers? Every super they've had in that district has been extremely strict - plenty around though that you can get one over the counter - no questions asked - better to still get the letter though afterwards.

Spot on with Jeffers also another shop. Cert or Permit, call it what you will i could not purchase a moderator locally without one.

[tonetone 0]

hello all. im in scotland and i needed to get a variation on my fac before my local gun dealer would sell me a moderator(.22LR) i got this done and bought the mod. then i got a variation for a 223 with mod, i got this and everything seemd fine. about 1 month later the police firearms dept in glasgow called me up and asked me if i had bought a mod for my 22. i said yes and they then became very unhappy that i hadint informed them about the purchase(make model date). i wrongly thought that the variation was the end of it.

SO basically they treat a moderator like a seperate firearm.

my mate got stopped by the cops earlier this year and they asked him why he didnt have the mod on his fac(.22LR). he said he didnt know and that he bought it from an airgun online shop. they took the mod off him and said they would take things further.?

cheers tone

[Corkonian 44]

Edited June 9, 2009 by Corkonian