Flea question

[Guest little lurcher]

can any one remember newvantop in that orange can you could bye that from boots

 

thats going back a few years!!!! im sure they had to stop production due to some eu crap

[sue 1]

it must be true that dogs fed on raw meat dont get fleas cos mine dont get them ,strange that, ive never sat and thought about it before .the ferrets sometimes pick the odd one up so i use frontline on them carnt beat it

[Stabs 3]

it must be true that dogs fed on raw meat dont get fleas cos mine dont get them

 

It's not true I'm afraid...I wish it was

[dogsb100 0]

you can get frontline from scatts.. dont know if it is any cheaper than the vets though. but a quick phone call will answer that....

[sue 1]

it must be true that dogs fed on raw meat dont get fleas cos mine dont get them

 

It's not true I'm afraid...I wish it was

they must be just lucky then ,it would be nice if it was true

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Lot of us are " Lucky ", from what I hear

[kirstysdad 827]

have tried lots of different remedys including frontline was told by someone on here that he uses benzo benzoate buy it from the chemist dilute 50-50 with warm water put into spray bottle then spray all over dogs and massage into skin making sure you cover them well a 100ml bottle of benzo costs 2 pounds and it was enough for me to do 8 dogs keeps them clear for about 6 weeks a lot cheaper than frontline [by the way send the wife to pick up the benzo as it is also commonly used for crabs]

[Stabs 3]

Lot of us are " Lucky ", from what I hear

 

I'm happy for you Ditchy

 

Mine are fed only raw and were covered in fleas during the summer and frontline was having no effect due to various factors but mainly due to where I was keeping the dogs. The old favourite of garlic had no effect at all. Advantage and Frontline were a waste of time and money until I sorted out the conditions and location of my kennels.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

I'd figured something along those lines, Stabbist. I was just in a bit of a rush so had to crack out a very quick response to save the fence sitters becoming tipped toward the idea that so many raw feeders were just engaged in a huge conspiracy of lies about all this

 

Interestingly; When I was in Hull, my Dogs needed flea collars. Granted, the guy who'd been there before had cats and I inherited his damn carpets. But even as recently as that I was Steaming their otherwise raw meat. I guess the fact is that steaming is still cooking. My Dogs had fleas. No where near as many as one may have expected, but I do remember having a moody round the place, before I ripped out the entire carpetting and got laminate down.

 

That, to give it some chronology, was all during a three year period. Let's say one year per change. Year one? Fed them vet kill. Year two? Steamed flesh, still on a flea ridden carpet. Year three? Laminate floor down and still steaming their meat. But, as a trained Pest Controller, it's my business to know that that place would still have harboured flea eggs and larvae. I never gave it a proper treatment because I never had the kit. I only moved up from my customary vertebrate speciallity during that last year. So, bottom line? Who ever moved in probably found Cat fleas and blamed my Dogs!

 

Now I'm here. Two years in 'The Bush'. My Dogs have been on raw flesh and bones - Only - since we got here. And that only two years passed. I've never known Them bothered by fleas in those two years. Period. Me? Hell yeah! I go out of a nice evening and just lay down in the grass with them? My ankles are nearly chewed through by night time and the f*cking Ticks try to make me feint! My perimeters are besieged by rats. The grass is probably heaving with ticks. B*stards get Me. My Dogs barely notice.

 

Saying that; Whilst I've certainly wiped off a couple of ticks from my own body, before they've got an anchor bite in. And I've only Once suffered misery from where one's got a bit more attatched to me. I'm yet to find one doing the full job on me. Only ever found one feeding on one of my Dogs. Interestingly; My personal, fixed, diet includes one onion per day

 

Come on, mate, let's go for it here and see if we can beat some sembelance of empiricism out of all this. What Was the 'enviroment' that led to ye own Dogs being constantly infested, despite diet Or topical, additional attempts to remedie?

 

See above; I'm a self confessed, relative Newb to the Religion of Raw. But, after a life time of experimentation, I saw the benefits of it overnight. This 'Flea Proofing' aspect only came to my attention when I casually read and responded to a small Thread on Matt S's place. And, if ye caught that, there too people were sort of waking up to the fact that, " Oh yeah! Now ye come to mention it....! " And we had only one discenter. Not a bad average! Surely we could be onto something here?

[Stabs 3]

Ditchy…due to I country I live in now, there’s very little need for a concrete base to a kennel as the dirt is like bell metal and one of my dogs just wouldn’t be able to dig through under the run panels. Again due to the fact that it gets a smidge on the warm side here, I situated my kennels in the shade of an old macadamia nut tree and a mulberry tree which kept the dogs out of the heat.

 

 

To cut a long story short, I couldn’t get rid of the fleas that started appearing as summer drew on. I was putting Frontline on as per the instructions but the effects were shortlived. Visits to the vets confirmed that this was perfectly natural as it was “flea and tick season†and everyone was in the same boat. In the end I was told to apply Frontline and Advantage (for the pup) on a weekly basis, but that would be massively expensive. I was contacted by a vet who worked for Frontline and we went through the conditions I was keeping my dogs in order to ascertain why the fleas kept coming back.

 

 

• Shade – fleas die in direct sunlight. The shade affords them the conditions to breed and lay their eggs.
  
• Trees – These provide a habitat for Flying Foxes and Possums which are flea magnets. It’s just a hop, skip and a jump from the indigenous animals to my dogs.
  
• Leaves from the trees – These provide the perfect opportunity and location for the fleas to lay their eggs. They fall from the tree into my run and harbour the eggs. The eggs hatch into the perfect environment and go straight on to my dogs.
  
• Water – Due to the heat, the dogs jump straight in the river when we are out. This effectively renders any flea treatment as useless.
  
• Location – I lived in an area that was deemed a flea hotspot and I exercised my dogs in the only other known flea hotspot for miles.
  

 

I fed both dogs raw and they also had minced garlic with their grub and they were positively riddled with fleas. As I said, I was treating them and it was so bad, the fleas would be back again after one single day. A flea comb was used too and it was wick with them.

 

 

I was at my wits end with all of this but the cure turned out to be very simple. I moved house. I didn’t move for that specific reason, but it certainly helped. I put my kennels up with a paving slab base in direct sunlight for a large part of the day. There’s no trees in the garden so no leaves and no shade. If the dogs want to get out of the sun, they simply go into their nice big, well aired kennel.

 

There are indigenous species around which we very occasionally come into contact with and there is water around as I live in the swamps. Neither of these things have had any impact on the fleas though as they haven’t had any since I moved and I haven’t treated them either.

 

I’m not sure how raw feeding affects fleas but it wasn’t doing a thing to help me back at the old place.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

That's Excellent input, Stabbist! I'm a bit too wobbley to make a decent and meaningful response. But I already feel there may be undiscovered connections in the conditions, never mind the Continents our Dogs are showing us things from.

 

I seriously and genuinely believe this Thread is leading somewhere. All I need is for someone to plant so much as a Full Stop below this Post then; To remind me of the fact that ~ by thus Flagging the Thread ~ it should regain my attention when I get back here, refreshed!

[benbaikal 0]

i use a diluted mixture of horse shampoo have done on all my dogs for the last ten years no problems or reactions

[trader 0]

ive always fed flesh for the last 30 years and have recurrent problems with fleas also our local packs are all flesh fed and have problems with fleas i use duramitex which does the job