What is a fac rifle and what can it do?

[Guest JohnGalway]

Hi Alex,

 

I used to say 100 yards for .22lr also, but I have revised it downwards to yards. I can get inch groups at 100 yards with my .22lr, but, this is under good unhurried conditions with a very good rest. I simply won't always have those set of circumstances hunting. To be honest, unless I absolutely had to I wouldn't shoot a fox with a .22lr. They are capable of killing foxes, and have killed many tens of thousands of foxes if not more. I suggest brain shots only, and most certainly under your own limitations as everyone is different. A .22lr is definately not a fox rifle. If you are out shooting rabbits or ambushing safely landed corvids and a fox happens by, weather, range, rest etc all being good then take him if you feel you can, given the above. All the foxes I've shot with my .22lr have dropped except for one which was chest shot and ran. This one is why I say it's not a fox rifle, there's simply no margin for error. Unlike the centrefire calibres.

 

How does the .22lr and HMR compare. Well, the HMR is a lot flatter shooting, so it's easier to shoot, the .22lr drops a lot so you need to be spot on. Both are equally unsuitable as foxing rifles in my opinion. They will both kill, but again, there is no room for error. Centrefire calibres are the best by thousands of miles for fox.

 

Oh yes, please check your local police forces guidelines on using rimfires on foxes. I believe, but could be corrected, some forces will not allow .22lr for fox, I am not sure about HMR.

[essexlad06 0]

In terms of power - Im geting 12lb foot with my bsa comet but what kind of power is the average rimfire pushing out?

[Guest JohnGalway]

In terms of power - Im geting 12lb foot with my bsa comet but what kind of power is the average rimfire pushing out?

 

Eley subsonic information here.

[AJWH 0]

Cheers John

 

well you learn something new every day

I dont own a .22lr or any other rimfire for that matter but out of interest i think ill be following that one up with my local FAO as you suggest.

 

Regards

Alex

[Deker 3,478]

In terms of power - Im geting 12lb foot with my bsa comet but what kind of power is the average rimfire pushing out?

 

 

 

Rimfire ammo is available from around 30ft lb to around 325ft lb with 4 different main calibres/types these days!

 

How do you know you are getting 12ft lb with your BSA Comet?

 

There are a couple of people who would have been very helpful to you, went by the names of Wingshooter and Guevara but I haven't seen them for a while!

[Ratman2 2]

In terms of power - Im geting 12lb foot with my bsa comet but what kind of power is the average rimfire pushing out?

 

 

 

Rimfire ammo is available from around 30ft lb to around 325ft lb with 4 different main calibres/types these days!

 

How do you know you are getting 12ft lb with your BSA Comet?

 

There are a couple of people who would have been very helpful to you, went by the names of Wingshooter and Guevara but I haven't seen them for a while!

 

Now oddly enough I was thinking along those lines myself.

[essexlad06 0]

In terms of power - Im geting 12lb foot with my bsa comet but what kind of power is the average rimfire pushing out?

 

 

 

Rimfire ammo is available from around 30ft lb to around 325ft lb with 4 different main calibres/types these days!

 

How do you know you are getting 12ft lb with your BSA Comet?

 

There are a couple of people who would have been very helpful to you, went by the names of Wingshooter and Guevara but I haven't seen them for a while!

 

Thats what my local gunshop told me when I bought it last week. I need more power now though lol

[richie 1]

might as well throw my two bobs worth in...

 

essexlad... dont take this the wrong way, but you seem very inexperienced.

 

my advice would be to join a local rifle club where you can get taught the basic safe handling of a rifle be it an air rifle or a rimfire.

 

when youve been a member for a certain number of months, depending what club it could be 3 months or 6, you could apply for your FAC. at least by going down this road you will learn a better understanding of rifles & their capabilities.

[essexlad06 0]

might as well throw my two bobs worth in...

 

essexlad... dont take this the wrong way, but you seem very inexperienced.

 

my advice would be to join a local rifle club where you can get taught the basic safe handling of a rifle be it an air rifle or a rimfire.

 

when youve been a member for a certain number of months, depending what club it could be 3 months or 6, you could apply for your FAC. at least by going down this road you will learn a better understanding of rifles & their capabilities.

 

Indeed I am and none taken.

 

Just here to learn. Off to the gun club sunday though. mays of london any one else know it?

[Fidgety 8]

That's damn good advice above! You will probably find a good mentor at a club ..... wish I had!

Good luck!

[Mr_Logic 5]

yes, definitely join a club and learn. Need to know about rifles first, all very well us saying about power and calibres, but get out there and have a look at stuff.

 

Now, rimfires and foxes... Hmm...

 

Are rimfires a frontline fox tool? HMR, borderline. WMR, yes, LR, not unless the situation calls for it.

 

HMR at 100 yards, headshot, not going to be a problem with Charlie. I wouldn't shoot anywhere other than the head personally, unless I was using the hollowpoint ammo, since this penetrates much deeper. But I can hit a bunny in the face at 150 yards, so I can hit a fox in the skull at 150 yards too. I seriously doubt I will find a fox that gets up. BUT, there will be days when this isn't on - too much wind or whatever.

 

WMR is a good fox tool but only to 150 again, this time because of drop - it's got the expansion, penetration and power for chest shots, but again I would prefer a head shot.

 

LR does the job, 100 yards or less. I've knocked over a fox at 60-70 yards with a chest shot, it worked but it's not straight down, so head shot where possible.

 

However, round here LR is sometimes the only choice - people are so grumpy about even the slightest bang that the only way to do the job is if they never know you're there, and so don't moan to your landowner. Pisses me off but there you go, we're only doing a job.

 

All that said, gimme a 223 every time, you know foxy's done properly then...!

Edited May 30, 2008 by Mr_Logic

[dravic666 0]

On application for my variation I put a .22LR and .17HMR down, and a FAC air rifle for the hell of it. The FAO and I had a lengthly debate, and I'd done my research on it all too, end result from him was that you can shoot a fox with a .17HMR but not with a .22lr in warwickshire. I had to choose either, or so settled on the .17HMR. Being as I shoot 7.62 target rifle i managed to get a .22lr for target shooting on my ticket (for winter months), and as the .17HMR and .22 air gun need moderators i seem to have a slot for a moderator for my .22lr also.

 

So my question, what's to stop me getting a .22lr, with moderator, that is designed for vermin control, however the "reason for posessing my .22lr" is for target shooting? albeit, target shooting with a light barrel, bipod, sod off scope, moderator, camo tape around moderator... etc... (i presume magazine could pose an issue but not if i don't "use" it)

 

There isn't the specific wording relating to the .22lr on my ticket defining the ranges to which I can shoot it on so surely I could put up a target on the land I have permission on, lie in wait and if a bunny "just happened" to jump out i could pop him off.

 

Bear in mind, I'm perfectly satisfied with my .17HMR, (CZ) that I have had for around a week and wouldn't/couldn't see the need for a .22 for vermin as well. (except silence, using subsonics)

Edited June 6, 2008 by dravic666

[Mr_Logic 5]

Well, you can shoot a fox with pretty much whatever you like... Even if it's not down for foxes, a .22 is perfectly legal if you come across one that needs to be shot. They are classified as vermin, the differentiation is to stop people asking for .22 for foxing, and try to make people get a centrefire - it's the 'good reason' not what's actually legal to do the job.

[Deker 3,478]

On application for my variation I put a .22LR and .17HMR down, and a FAC air rifle for the hell of it. The FAO and I had a lengthly debate, and I'd done my research on it all too, end result from him was that you can shoot a fox with a .17HMR but not with a .22lr in warwickshire. I had to choose either, or so settled on the .17HMR. Being as I shoot 7.62 target rifle i managed to get a .22lr for target shooting on my ticket (for winter months), and as the .17HMR and .22 air gun need moderators i seem to have a slot for a moderator for my .22lr also.

 

So my question, what's to stop me getting a .22lr, with moderator, that is designed for vermin control, however the "reason for posessing my .22lr" is for target shooting? albeit, target shooting with a light barrel, bipod, sod off scope, moderator, camo tape around moderator... etc... (i presume magazine could pose an issue but not if i don't "use" it)

 

Buy what you like to point at a target as long as your FAC permits it, and the magazine can be as big as you like too!

There isn't the specific wording relating to the .22lr on my ticket defining the ranges to which I can shoot it on so surely I could put up a target on the land I have permission on, lie in wait and if a bunny "just happened" to jump out i could pop him off.

 

Bear in mind, I'm perfectly satisfied with my .17HMR, (CZ) that I have had for around a week and wouldn't/couldn't see the need for a .22 for vermin as well. (except silence, using subsonics)

 

 

Sorry chap, you seem to paint of picture of experience and as you say...and I'd done my research on it all too, then you ask a question/s like this.

 

You can buy whatever gun your FAC allows for target shooting, but if your FAC lists Target shooting and NOT vermin control then the answer to your question about bunny is glaringly obvious...you are breaking the Firarms laws and risking a LOT of grief!

Edited June 8, 2008 by Deker