Mr_Logic 5 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I wholeheartedly disagree with sportingshooter on this one. I have held an FAC since age 15 quite happily. I used to go out shooting rabbits on my own with the rimfire and no issues, it's not difficult, just complicated. I had experience of firearms from the CCF, and also a rifle club, and that experience is what means you won't need a mentor necessarily, also the shotgun bit will help. Have a long chat with an FEO about mentoring, it's utter bollocks for rimfire and foxing (i.e. centrefires not meant for deer) - if you've been sensible with shotgun and air rifle and shoot at a club, you will have demonstrated safety. As for the transferring of firearms, well, my dad got a ticket to help me out, and then kept it too... First off, I respect your judgement of most things MR L, I just have a few things to clear up. It is tricky to hold an FAC when under 17, when I say hold I mean to use, in that getting your firearms and ammunition is tricky and time consuming. As you say your father obtained his FAC to help you out, AJWH doesnt have that to rely on. AJWH does not state whether he has experience other than that with a shotgun, therefore I have to assume he has no experience with a rifle. Whether you agree with mentoring or not, it happens, depending on what police force your in. I dont have it on the rimfire but I do on the centrefire which is for foxing use. Its the luck of the draw. Once he has his FAC then the matter of going out shooting with his rifle is of little issue, it is getting to that stage which is difficult. Regards SS First up, I know mentoring does go on, I have it for deer and it sorta makes sense there. I meant that I disagree with it otherwise because it doesn't add very much. However, I believe it to be possible to get a ticket without it if you argue your case sufficiently well. That said, all FEOs are different and it's luck of the draw (but it bloody well shouldn't be and something should be done!). Alex said that he got his shotgun through his dad - that would be my port of call for the firearms too. Regarding experience, I should have been clearer - I was meaning that it would be a good idea to get some In fact, given the length of time it takes to process the paperwork these days, best bet is probably go join a club and then apply when a full member. It should get you out of the mentoring because you will have learned how to shoot safely. In a nutshell though, I don't think the process is particularly difficult, in that people won't say No - it's just time consuming because there are more hoops to jump through. All Cleared up now then. SS Totally Quote Link to post
AJWH 0 Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 as for waiting a year - lifes too short ill have to go through the process all the same anyway and as ive just moved and don't know anyone up here the possibility of mentoring might be good think ill join a club then and see if my dad will help me out by getting his ticket done first because as you say it will make matters like storage and acquiring ammunition much easier. sorry i should have been clearer on that point (experience), ive had air rifles and used centre fires and rimmys at west london shooting school which included safety tuition ive also used a mates .22 on rabbits but i dont expect that counts.. cheers for everyones input. Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 as for waiting a year - lifes too short ill have to go through the process all the same anyway and as ive just moved and don't know anyone up here the possibility of mentoring might be good think ill join a club then and see if my dad will help me out by getting his ticket done first because as you say it will make matters like storage and acquiring ammunition much easier. sorry i should have been clearer on that point (experience), ive had air rifles and used centre fires and rimmys at west london shooting school which included safety tuition ive also used a mates .22 on rabbits but i dont expect that counts.. cheers for everyones input. Using your mate's .22 probably counts more than anything, it's field experience! Keep doing that and make sure your FEO knows when he comes out to say Hi Quote Link to post
Guest basil46 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 It is difficult to hold an FAC when under 17.It is not difficult to obtain when under 17 but the transfer and purchase of Firearms and Ammunition becomes tricky. Here we go then; 1.You can apply for your FAC now as long as you have a separate safe for them, this is because your dad doesnt hold an FAC and so he cannot have access to the guns or the keys to the cabinet. 2. While under 17 you cannot buy ammuntion or firearms. You could ask another FAC holder to buy them and give them to you as a gift but he would have to have a space for them on his ticket for them, buy it, transfer it to you, he would have to apply for a "one to one" variation on his own ticket so that he could buy another rifle. It is not that complicated just hassle and third parties rarely put up with being messed around. 3. When you first have your FAC you may well have a supervision condition on your ticket as you are new to rifles, this means that in order to use your rifle, you will need to go out with an approved FAC holder each time, this is inconvenient and normally lasts 6-12 months. This, however, applies to all new FAC holders pretty much. In reality, you are better off waiting until you are 17 to get your FAC as it just makes things so much easier. Regards SS SS, you`re a star. Thank f44k you`re here. Good, reliable and sound advise. basil. Quote Link to post
AJWH 0 Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 as for waiting a year - lifes too short ill have to go through the process all the same anyway and as ive just moved and don't know anyone up here the possibility of mentoring might be good think ill join a club then and see if my dad will help me out by getting his ticket done first because as you say it will make matters like storage and acquiring ammunition much easier. sorry i should have been clearer on that point (experience), ive had air rifles and used centre fires and rimmys at west london shooting school which included safety tuition ive also used a mates .22 on rabbits but i dont expect that counts.. cheers for everyones input. Using your mate's .22 probably counts more than anything, it's field experience! Keep doing that and make sure your FEO knows when he comes out to say Hi sadly i cant because ive just moved up to cheshire and know no one neer by that shoots (my mate with the .22 is back in hertfordshire) but the FAO seems nice enough so he may just take my saftey shooting certificate from west london as enough.. fingers crossed Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 It is difficult to hold an FAC when under 17.It is not difficult to obtain when under 17 but the transfer and purchase of Firearms and Ammunition becomes tricky. Here we go then; 1.You can apply for your FAC now as long as you have a separate safe for them, this is because your dad doesnt hold an FAC and so he cannot have access to the guns or the keys to the cabinet. 2. While under 17 you cannot buy ammuntion or firearms. You could ask another FAC holder to buy them and give them to you as a gift but he would have to have a space for them on his ticket for them, buy it, transfer it to you, he would have to apply for a "one to one" variation on his own ticket so that he could buy another rifle. It is not that complicated just hassle and third parties rarely put up with being messed around. 3. When you first have your FAC you may well have a supervision condition on your ticket as you are new to rifles, this means that in order to use your rifle, you will need to go out with an approved FAC holder each time, this is inconvenient and normally lasts 6-12 months. This, however, applies to all new FAC holders pretty much. In reality, you are better off waiting until you are 17 to get your FAC as it just makes things so much easier. Regards SS SS, you`re a star. Thank f44k you`re here. Good, reliable and sound advise. basil. No Problem mate, its good to share knowledge. SS Quote Link to post
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