irish hare v uk saluki crosses.

[stormrider8 59]

..... your having a laugh mate .....your dogs must have necks like a giraffe to see anything in that cover ......alot of land i hunt is small fields .........ive talked to a few off the irish lads of here and the land i hunt is simular the the land they hunt ....

You think those are small fields! I dont know of any that large where I live in the West. Connaught has very few large open fields. You really have to travel to the midlands to find any proper saluki coursing land. Most the local lads take their salukis out to these places for a day out. When they want to hunt the lacal fields they lamp the hares and make easy business of them. Personally I think the Irish Hare is a real challenge daytime in these small fields. They are gone before your even close and they know every gateway. You need a fast dog to turn them before they escape. A fen type hound has very little chance of catching a hare in this type of field. All of the coursing men here know this. Here is an example showing an elevated view of the surrounding land. I will just say this land is densely populated with hares. At this time of year I wouldnt be surprised to see 15 hares all in a small field

 

 

very true this, its not easy catching the feckers, i had a saluki cross, she broke my heart, could not catch a snail in a barrel, in them small feilds, i took her to some big feilds in kells, she killed 2 out of 5, this was a long time ago. their has been so many lads that got them salukis round these parts and they ended up being given away or lost.

 

 

Dont know about the irish hare. But i also have seen saluks really struggle in small fields. They surely are only really for one thing.

[wee stooo 0]

Each to their own opinion but at the end of the day different dogs to different jobs!!

[hunter89 3]

Each to their own opinion but at the end of the day different dogs to different jobs!!

 

there is a dog called huck in ireland supose to be the best coursing

dog in ireland for years, hes gettin on abit now but hes nearly 7/8s saluki

[bolio 51]

See those hares in my avitar? They're Irish hares and the bitch is more than half saluki bred and knocked them over in all types of terrain over here. That picture was taken nearly 20 years ago. I know some people have tried to produce dogs from show type salukis over here and have been disappointed but having hunted all the British Isles hares, the brown hare is in a league of its own, the Irish hare is next and the blue hare is a long way short of both. I've posted this before but the biggest hares I've handled have been Irish does and they are not the same as the mainland blue hare. A recent piece of research has confirmed my opinion on this by identifying genetic markers that prove the Irish hare is much more distantly related to the other Arctic hares than previously thought. It is actually closer to some of the Norwegian hares than any other european species.

 

A bitch called Willow that I bred from a pure saluki bitch mated to a saluki lurcher, in her prime hardly missed an Irish hare and some of those rough country photos represent easy going for the dogs.

 

Folks its not about patriotism or nationalism, it's about realism and truth!

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

See those hares in my avitar? They're Irish hares and the bitch is more than half saluki bred and knocked them over in all types of terrain over here. That picture was taken nearly 20 years ago. I know some people have tried to produce dogs from show type salukis over here and have been disappointed but having hunted all the British Isles hares, the brown hare is in a league of its own, the Irish hare is next and the blue hare is a long way short of both. I've posted this before but the biggest hares I've handled have been Irish does and they are not the same as the mainland blue hare. A recent piece of research has confirmed my opinion on this by identifying genetic markers that prove the Irish hare is much more distantly related to the other Arctic hares than previously thought. It is actually closer to some of the Norwegian hares than any other european species.

 

A bitch called Willow that I bred from a pure saluki bitch mated to a saluki lurcher, in her prime hardly missed an Irish hare and some of those rough country photos represent easy going for the dogs.

 

Folks its not about patriotism or nationalism, it's about realism and truth!

 

Interesting reply, Bolio. The irish hare does are massive

Generally the saluki hybrids are too slow to get on the hare in our small irish rough fields, but once they are on them they will stay till the end. Around here in the west the hare is gone out the gate, before you even slip the dog. Your only chance is in large fields. I wonder whats the more difficult challenge a fast irish hare, in a small rough field (1 or 2 acres) that knows every gate and escape route, or a hare in the expansive plains of the fens with no real escape bar some rabbit holes perhaps?

One for ye all to think about.

[snoopdog 1,256]

See those hares in my avitar? They're Irish hares and the bitch is more than half saluki bred and knocked them over in all types of terrain over here. That picture was taken nearly 20 years ago. I know some people have tried to produce dogs from show type salukis over here and have been disappointed but having hunted all the British Isles hares, the brown hare is in a league of its own, the Irish hare is next and the blue hare is a long way short of both. I've posted this before but the biggest hares I've handled have been Irish does and they are not the same as the mainland blue hare. A recent piece of research has confirmed my opinion on this by identifying genetic markers that prove the Irish hare is much more distantly related to the other Arctic hares than previously thought. It is actually closer to some of the Norwegian hares than any other european species.

 

A bitch called Willow that I bred from a pure saluki bitch mated to a saluki lurcher, in her prime hardly missed an Irish hare and some of those rough country photos represent easy going for the dogs.

 

Folks its not about patriotism or nationalism, it's about realism and truth!

 

Interesting reply, Bolio. The irish hare does are massive

Generally the saluki hybrids are too slow to get on the hare in our small irish rough fields, but once they are on them they will stay till the end. Around here in the west the hare is gone out the gate, before you even slip the dog. Your only chance is in large fields. I wonder whats the more difficult challenge a fast irish hare, in a small rough field (1 or 2 acres) that knows every gate and escape route, or a hare in the expansive plains of the fens with no real escape bar some rabbit holes perhaps?

One for ye all to think about.

wonder why people think theres no where for a hare to escape on the fens the cover maybe a long way off ..but as soon as that hare jumps from its form it knows exsactly where its going theres pipes in the dykes.. game crops woods and hedges ..they might be along way off when the hare jumps ...but believe me they can get to there destination ....its up to the dog behind it to keep it away from these ....i personallly think the fen hare has only one thing to think about and thats the dog behind it so it can come up with evey trick in the book to loose it e.g when it feels the hot breath on its ass the it well turn without haveing to think about obsticails in front off it ...alot off fen hares are caught in dykes or near cover ...its a very good dog that can kill hares time and time again in open fen ....i hunt quite hilly counrtyside aswell as big land ..with obsticals allover ..drystone, walls, hedges ,sheep fencing ...woods ect ect ect ..and in opinion the hare on these kind off terrains is more likey to make a mistake alot sooner in the course because its has more to think about ..eg. ..you do need a dog with early pace yes ....i ran the fens this season just gone with a dog that isnt bred for the bigland and he did ok to be honest ...but after running fenland and then back to my local land my mutt was flatting hares in the hilly country .......theres plenty off saluki x ,s bred for hare coursing that can catch on all types off land small and large ..but there aint many lurchers that can catch fens hares on a regular basis ......if you want a hare dog to hunt both big and small land it needs to have a large percentage off saluki in it ...end off ......

[skycat 6,173]

to Snoop. Well said! You said it all there, though the only thing I'd add is that the dogs with a lot of Saluki in them are doing the same as those fen hares: thinking while they are running. From the moment the hare jumps those dogs are thinking, reading the hare, watching to see which way it really wants to run, in what direction etc. And they are there, ready to head a hare off its chosen route the moment they see that the hare wants to go a certain way, in other words, towards cover, a rabbit hole or whatever.

Even the so called 'slower' dogs can catch hares in a lot of different places once they have some experience under their belt because they are always trying to outwit the hare, and its not just about having the stamina to grind them down. The good dogs have tremendous brains for this game as well as endless stamina. The thick dog doesn't catch much apart from a stupid hare!

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Talking about putting your foot in it , best say no more hare.

[foyrious 13]

i couldnt even be arsed to read the last 2 pages of this shite on account of it being... well, SHITE!!! [bANNED TEXT] f*****g rubbish, english saluki crosses that command five figure sums cant catch a hare in eire...CRAP, and since the only five figure salukis USUALLY have an Asian ancestor pretty close up the line, i dont think whether its crossed in London or timbuktu makes a blind bit of difference... run any dog on new land and it will perform below its peak, but enough runs on the chosen land and the dog gets used to it....... f**k all to do with fields or jet propelled hares, its just you being an arsehole thinking you know more than you do. ALL, of my family are Irish both sides, but they know f**k all about dogs mate, you dont have to pretend to just coz youre a paddy..... try learning to read and learn about your hobby before you post more useless misleading crap..

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

There goes the thread down the drain.

Another interesting topic thats been ruined.

 

You just cant have a decent discussion about dogs on the internet. It always gets way too emotional

 

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

There goes the thread down the drain.

Another interesting topic thats been ruined.

 

You just cant have a decent discussion about dogs on the internet. It always gets way too emotional

 

 

Sure thats life, would be very borning if we all agreed with each other.

[foyrious 13]

there has been some decent comments, but not one agreeing with the idiot who started the thread... my point being that him making a false statement so ignorantly doesnt deserve a reply, and he should of worded it very differently in my opinion as there are far too many twats on this otherewise, brilliant site, all just wanting to cause trouble and wind others up.. i thought it was a discussion forum, not a place to pick arguements...

[bolio 51]

Here's another one I found of that Ruby bitch in my avatar, quite heavily saluki bred around '86 or so.

 

[roan 4]

Here's another one I found of that Ruby bitch in my avatar, quite heavily saluki bred around '86 or so.

 

i have seen saluki crosses with a high percentage of greyhound do well in ireland quick kickoff gets them in and the saluki in the makeup does the rest very sticky and hard to shake once they get onto the hare in any fields from what ive seen, also seen a saluki cross destroyed by a first cross deerhound greyhound bitch top coursing bitch mind you in a massive field not to say this cross is more suitable as it is widely thought not to be but to show that while a degree of generalisation can be made of various crosses its not always that way

as for irish hares they are a good test for any dog and do not have any comparison in running ability to the blue hare the brown may be more of a test in ways ie a faster hare, however watching the hunt of an irish hare will not be dissapointing the ability to use the landscape combined with speed and stamina is a drug ill never give up good hunting whatever it is

Edited June 26, 2008 by roan

[lurcher-lad 2]

horses for courses

you mean hounds for grounds