cull or not to cull .. debate

[Kay 3,709]

the problem people have is if you hadnt bred them you wouldnt have to kill them, really its not rocket science, no matter how 'ard you think you are, or how extreme you class yourself to be, it shouldnt be up to you what lives or dies

 

i am sure between you all here you could arrange regionally to breed just what you need each year, rather than breed willy nilly and kill the ones YOU dont think will work, are you all psychic?

 

what do you do with the ones who you crystal balled would work, then dont cut it? do they get a lump hammer over the head too?

 

i wonder what the legalities of all this barbaric behaviour are?

 

Humane dispatch isnt illegal

[Guest jojoamojo]

what is it will , the thought of actually doing the deed itself ? when they are this young i dont see them as an adult ferts and as someone has already got all techy they dont feel anything

 

have you got a copy of the report showing that baby ferrets dont feel anything?

 

i dont remember reading that one myself

[jazz_11 5]

kay it has to be said you have a different avatar picture every day lol...

[Guest jojoamojo]

Ok, I'm not in any way getting at you, just trying to understand the feelings you have about it, what thoughts or feelings stop you from being able to do it?

 

My own feelings are that of course I dislike doing it, however I dislike suffering and neglect more. In culling day old kits there is no hardship for the kits they barely there at all in any mental state then they gone just nothing, the hardship if any is ours to bare in carrying out the act.

 

Exactly the same as when the day comes with your old ferret or dog, when quality of life is'nt there for them anymore and the need to keep them as part of your life because of attachment to them has to be put to the side you do what is right for them rather than yourself.

I feel there is no great hardship in a ending life in calm stress free way, everytime you send your dog or ferret for surgery the are put out no different to being PTS to the animal invloved at the point that the go under, our attachment to these animal is what causes the problem with the idea of culling/pts. The animal involved is never aware, it doesn't understand. We need to put this attachment into perspective set against the issues of what future is available to the animal.

 

Merely existing is is very different to living

 

but you havent given them a change to 'merley exist' you have batted them over the head as they didnt fit in with your requirements

 

how can you say there is no hardship LOL you have terminated their life to suit yourself (ish) needs

 

its a blatant disrespect for life, and shouldnt be permitted with any pet animal

[Kay 3,709]

if you cull at birth you might be knocking the good workers on the head and keeping the wankers.

 

if you have bred from a line of proven workers that go back at least 3 -5 generations then chances are they will all be good workers and if you do cull at birth you will never know if they were shit or brilliant and you will get on with what you have .......

but as i stated you may bang all the goodun's keep all the shite come ferreting season your left with the wankers now what do you do?

 

well obviously they would take them all down to their local rescue in a nice cat basket with a fleece blankie and let them all get adopted to naice pet homes with people who would look after them

 

they get lumped, betcha pound to a f*****g penny

 

does judy have lots off ferrets looking for homes ? does she have lots of nice ferrets who came from pet only homes , do ferrets have worker branded on there heads or something , you know as well as i do the bulk of ferrets in rescues are from pet homes, mostly young males who become a tad frisky & the owners give them up

[Guest Magwitch]

if you cull at birth you might be knocking the good workers on the head and keeping the wankers.

 

if you have bred from a line of proven workers that go back at least 3 -5 generations then chances are they will all be good workers and if you do cull at birth you will never know if they were shit or brilliant and you will get on with what you have .......

but as i stated you may bang all the goodun's keep all the shite come ferreting season your left with the wankers now what do you do?

 

well obviously they would take them all down to their local rescue in a nice cat basket with a fleece blankie and let them all get adopted to naice pet homes with people who would look after them

 

they get lumped, betcha pound to a f*****g penny

oi i am on your side

[Guest jojoamojo]

if you cull at birth you might be knocking the good workers on the head and keeping the wankers.

 

if you have bred from a line of proven workers that go back at least 3 -5 generations then chances are they will all be good workers and if you do cull at birth you will never know if they were shit or brilliant and you will get on with what you have .......

but as i stated you may bang all the goodun's keep all the shite come ferreting season your left with the wankers now what do you do?

 

well obviously they would take them all down to their local rescue in a nice cat basket with a fleece blankie and let them all get adopted to naice pet homes with people who would look after them

 

they get lumped, betcha pound to a f*****g penny

oi i am on your side

 

Sorry, i was being sarcastic, wasnt having a go

[Guest bigredbusa]

the problem people have is if you hadnt bred them you wouldnt have to kill them, really its not rocket science, no matter how 'ard you think you are, or how extreme you class yourself to be, it shouldnt be up to you what lives or dies

 

jojo why are you here on a hunting site if the killing part is such a big deal for you ? could you share with the rest of us how you dispatch something ? or have you just realised what you have said ?

like what has been said it's not about being 'ard' , it's about breeding workers that are suited to you and not swamp the market with unwanted ferts

[Guest jojoamojo]

does judy have lots off ferrets looking for homes ? does she have lots of nice ferrets who came from pet only homes , do ferrets have worker branded on there heads or something , you know as well as i do the bulk of ferrets in rescues are from pet homes, mostly young males who become a tad frisky & the owners give them up

 

what is your problem? why do you have to bring Judy into this debate about a bunch of dimwits killing kits???, did i mention her? no?

 

the point was what will he do with the ferrets he didnt kill then wont work, what will he do with them, not has a particular rescue got bloody ferrets for rehoming!!! may i suggest you go and edit that post

 

you pretend to be well 'ard on this forum to fit in, but on the pet forums you are on you are all for good pet advice and popping everything to the vets, as you used to run a rescue didnt you?

[socks 32,253]

where have said i was refering to YOU ? your a little paranoid there mate .... i dont need to read all the posts to get the jist of the arguement its as plain as the nose on my face .....

 

i understand where you are coming from with preventative measures etc .... BUT i needed to breed 2 jills this year as they coming up to 6 ish and therefore dont have many seasons left in them and so i need young fresh blood to take over hence the reason for breeding them this year ....

 

i am breeding purely for myself and the lads that i hunt for BUT what if i end up with to many kits am i supposed to bring them on only to sell them on for a piffly amount to people i know nothing about or would i be better culling the extra kits at birth and leaving the mother with an easily managable amount of kits that will grow strong and healthy and go to good working homes with people i know and trust .............

 

I understand your need to replace aging stock, but did you 'need' to breed two jills?

 

 

I also accept your point about culling early.

 

 

And remember: just cos you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you

 

yes i did as i will be keeping jills from one litter and hobs from the other which will amke them half brother and sister so that in the future when i need to breed again i will put half brother over half sisiter thus keeping the line going .......

[socks 32,253]

if you cull at birth you might be knocking the good workers on the head and keeping the wankers.

 

if you have bred from a line of proven workers that go back at least 3 -5 generations then chances are they will all be good workers and if you do cull at birth you will never know if they were shit or brilliant and you will get on with what you have .......

but as i stated you may bang all the goodun's keep all the shite come ferreting season your left with the wankers now what do you do?

 

and as i stated if the parents were proven workers from proven stock then there is a 99.9% chance thet the youngsters will grow in to good workers unless for some reason the hunting gene skipped the whole litter ... it aint rocket science ........

[Kay 3,709]

does judy have lots off ferrets looking for homes ? does she have lots of nice ferrets who came from pet only homes , do ferrets have worker branded on there heads or something , you know as well as i do the bulk of ferrets in rescues are from pet homes, mostly young males who become a tad frisky & the owners give them up

 

what is your problem? why do you have to bring Judy into this debate about a bunch of dimwits killing kits???, did i mention her? no?

 

the point was what will he do with the ferrets he didnt kill then wont work, what will he do with them, not has a particular rescue got bloody ferrets for rehoming!!! may i suggest you go and edit that post

 

you pretend to be well 'ard on this forum to fit in, but on the pet forums you are on you are all for good pet advice and popping everything to the vets, as you used to run a rescue didnt you?

 

I dont pretend to be anything & i wasnt being personal , judy does run a rescue & she is filled to the brim , would you rather every recue be an empty rescue, culling goes on not just ferrets , wether you or anyone else likes it or not

[Guest jojoamojo]

does judy have lots off ferrets looking for homes ? does she have lots of nice ferrets who came from pet only homes , do ferrets have worker branded on there heads or something , you know as well as i do the bulk of ferrets in rescues are from pet homes, mostly young males who become a tad frisky & the owners give them up

 

what is your problem? why do you have to bring Judy into this debate about a bunch of dimwits killing kits???, did i mention her? no?

 

the point was what will he do with the ferrets he didnt kill then wont work, what will he do with them, not has a particular rescue got bloody ferrets for rehoming!!! may i suggest you go and edit that post

 

you pretend to be well 'ard on this forum to fit in, but on the pet forums you are on you are all for good pet advice and popping everything to the vets, as you used to run a rescue didnt you?

 

I dont pretend to be anything & i wasnt being personal , judy does run a rescue & she is filled to the brim , would you rather every recue be an empty rescue, culling goes on not just ferrets , wether you or anyone else likes it or not

 

Yes you are, why pick Judy? you dont know her, you certainly dont support her, so why the f*****g hell do you pretend to know what is going on at her rescue? you really f*****g piss me off sometimes, why dont you mention any other rescue? cause you will get royally bolloked from them thats why!

 

and!! if you read back the last few posts none of what you wrote made a scrap of sense and none of it warranted naming people either

[Kay 3,709]

does judy have lots off ferrets looking for homes ? does she have lots of nice ferrets who came from pet only homes , do ferrets have worker branded on there heads or something , you know as well as i do the bulk of ferrets in rescues are from pet homes, mostly young males who become a tad frisky & the owners give them up

 

what is your problem? why do you have to bring Judy into this debate about a bunch of dimwits killing kits???, did i mention her? no?

 

the point was what will he do with the ferrets he didnt kill then wont work, what will he do with them, not has a particular rescue got bloody ferrets for rehoming!!! may i suggest you go and edit that post

 

you pretend to be well 'ard on this forum to fit in, but on the pet forums you are on you are all for good pet advice and popping everything to the vets, as you used to run a rescue didnt you?

 

I dont pretend to be anything & i wasnt being personal , judy does run a rescue & she is filled to the brim , would you rather every recue be an empty rescue, culling goes on not just ferrets , wether you or anyone else likes it or not

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Yes you are, why pick Judy? you dont know her, you certainly dont support her, so why the f*****g hell do you pretend to know what is going on at her rescue? you really f*****g piss me off sometimes, why dont you mention any other rescue? cause you will get royally bolloked from them thats why!

 

and!! if you read back the last few posts none of what you wrote made a scrap of sense and none of it warranted naming people either

 

 

Do you have to be so rude , foul mouth to boot , charming & very lady like arnt you :no

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

You have some strange views jojoamojo!

You really need to realise that theres nothing whatsoever matcho or well'ard (like you keep saying) about humanely culling a few surplus kits. I dont know you, so I wont slag you off, but there are many benefits to it which you dont want to hear, because I think that you are shocked that some would kill a baby ferret.

Its much better than giving them to crap homes, or even worse rescue centers! If they are workers then they should all go to working homes. Not homes where they are left outside, forgotten about in a rotting hutch! Dont tell me that rescue centers thoroughly vet all new homes, because they dont!