USING MOLE TRAPS FOR CATCHING RATS

[TITCHY69 10]

IM CONSTANTLY THINKING OF NEW WAYS OF CATCHING RATS IN MY GARDEN TO SEE IF THEY WORK,

I FOUND THAT RATS WERE USING A HOLE UNDERNEATH A CONCRETE PATH I HAD SET NUMEROUS CAGE TRAPS WITH NO AFFECT, SO I THOUGHT I WOULD TRY A MOLE TRAP BARREL TRAP (ABOVE GROUND) I SET THE TRAP AN USED SOME OLD STICK TO KEEP IT IN PLACE, WENT OUT THIS MORNING AND GUESS WHAT I HAD CAUGHT A YOUNG RAT, ANY ONE ELSE TRIED ANY THING SIMULAR AND HAD ANY THING

 

PS I WILL POST PICS LATER AS THE BATTERY JUST GONE ON MY PHONE

[TOMO 26,381]

TO be honest i dont think they would be strong enough to kill an adult rat out right. im not saying the rat wouldn't die in it. becuase the rat would probly die from suffacation, rather than the trap breacking its neck/back.

[moxy 617]

I dont think that they are an approved trap for killing rats

 

Get yourself some fenns or victor pro's

[donky7 9]

killing rats

 

definatly the wrong side of the law with this.

 

Edited May 14, 2008 by donky7

[mole catcher 1]

traps approval order springs to mind here

[Rolfe 2]

traps approval order springs to mind here

As i understand it the law states:

Under section 8 pests act 1954 it is an offence, in respect of any animal, to use or permit the use of:

1. Unapproved spring traps.

2. Approved trap in unapproved circumstances.

 

The prohibition in section 8 does NOT apply to break back traps designed and used to catch small ground vermin (e.g. rats and mice) or the type commonly used for taking moles in their runs as these are made an exception under the Small Ground Vermin Trap Order 1958.

 

Rolfe.

[Matt 160]

traps approval order springs to mind here

As i understand it the law states:

Under section 8 pests act 1954 it is an offence, in respect of any animal, to use or permit the use of:

1. Unapproved spring traps.

2. Approved trap in unapproved circumstances.

 

The prohibition in section 8 does NOT apply to break back traps designed and used to catch small ground vermin (e.g. rats and mice) or the type commonly used for taking moles in their runs as these are made an exception under the Small Ground Vermin Trap Order 1958.

 

Rolfe.

 

You beat me to it Rolfe!

 

The STAO does not apply in this case, although the Duffus trap is designed to kill moles. You are unlikely to be prosecuted for this as far less humane methods (e.g. glue boards) are still in use.

 

There is an offence under the 1911 protection of animals act "to cause unnecessary suffering" (its the one that does not allow you to drown animals), but I'm not sure if it would apply.

 

I'm not sure what the advantage of using mole traps would be though???????????

[Rolfe 2]

traps approval order springs to mind here

As i understand it the law states:

Under section 8 pests act 1954 it is an offence, in respect of any animal, to use or permit the use of:

1. Unapproved spring traps.

2. Approved trap in unapproved circumstances.

 

The prohibition in section 8 does NOT apply to break back traps designed and used to catch small ground vermin (e.g. rats and mice) or the type commonly used for taking moles in their runs as these are made an exception under the Small Ground Vermin Trap Order 1958.

 

Rolfe.

 

You beat me to it Rolfe!

 

The STAO does not apply in this case, although the Duffus trap is designed to kill moles. You are unlikely to be prosecuted for this as far less humane methods (e.g. glue boards) are still in use.

 

There is an offence under the 1911 protection of animals act "to cause unnecessary suffering" (its the one that does not allow you to drown animals), but I'm not sure if it would apply.

 

I'm not sure what the advantage of using mole traps would be though???????????

No Advantage what so ever Matt........in using mole traps for Rats.........use the tools designed for the job in hand was what I was taught.........a quick humane kill has always been my No1 priority...........and I doubt a duffus would achieve that.......!

[john b 38]

It does raise an interesting possibility though. Is there an angle on rat trapping that's not been explored ?

 

Would a correctly designed, powered and approved trap of a half barrel design be a useful addition to the toolkit ? I can quite see them being supplied with lengths of pipe of the right diameter with little housing slots cut out of them to drop your 'rat dufus' into.

 

Sort of pipe trap affair.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

John; Google " California Gopher Trap ".

[mole catcher 1]

The prohibition in section 8 does NOT apply to break back traps designed and used to catch small ground vermin (e.g. rats and mice) or the type commonly used for taking moles in their runs as these are made an exception under the Small Ground Vermin Trap Order 1958.

 

Rolfe.

 

 

so under any number of the laws and regulations (maybe the traps approval order was the wrong one to quote) that state that a trap should be set in this way or that and set in the way in which is was intended, doesnt using a trap designed to be used underground on the surface contravien some then?

 

if so wouldnt a prosicution no matter how small the chances be likely?

 

wasnt this prooved last year when a keeper at sandringham used a mk4 fen around a feed hopper and caught an owl, wasnt he charged with the offence of using a trap in an illegal manner? ie not covered.

 

and if the crown prosicution seek to gain a prosicution from an employee of HRH does it not folow that the likes of mr smith would be prosicuted?

[Rolfe 2]

As i understand it there are no rules "in law" that cover the setting of traps for small ground vermin e.g. moles, rats, and mice........as the traps don't have to be approved they don't come under the approved traps legislation. There is in my opinion an ethical rule though. Anyone can set a break-back type rat trap (Not a Fenn Type obviously) in the open without fear of prosecution........and that trap could just as easily kill a songbird or any other small non-target creature.

So setting them where ONLY the target species is likely to contact them is an absolute priority in my opinion.

 

The Keeper prosecuted for the offence with the Mk 4 Fenn is a classic example of someone using an approved trap in an unapproved situation i.e. Uncovered.

 

Rolfe.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

The Keeper prosecuted for the offence with the Mk 4 Fenn is a classic example of someone using an approved trap in an unapproved situation i.e. Uncovered.

 

 

Not forgetting the private contractor Pest Controller who set a Fenn atop a wall, dragged a whisp of grass over it, calling it an " Artificial Tunnel " and got himself a Heron ~ and a world of grief.

[mole catcher 1]

As i understand it there are no rules "in law" that cover the setting of traps for small ground vermin e.g. moles, rats, and mice........as the traps don't have to be approved they don't come under the approved traps legislation. Rolfe.

 

are you sure on that?

[Rolfe 2]

As i understand it there are no rules "in law" that cover the setting of traps for small ground vermin e.g. moles, rats, and mice........as the traps don't have to be approved they don't come under the approved traps legislation. Rolfe.

 

are you sure on that?

Obviously you're not...............you can read the same legislation as i can.........read it and you can come to your own conclusions. I answered the original post to state what the law says on the matter..... not to get into discussion on matters of interpretation.

 

Rolfe.