working bloodlines

[para1 11]

the whole subject of working ferrets verses show ferrets is one of the biggest myths

that anyone could read or heard.

ferrets are ferrets. they dont know when they are born if they from show or working lines,if there is sutch a thing.

and please dont tell me that ferrets from working lines are better, the only difference is that the show ferrets are used for showing

by they're owners wishes, and not worked, like workers of other ferrets would not show them, but only work.

ferrets are ferrets, but some times you do get some workers that stand out from the rest. but then again you also get ferrets that

looks better than most.

i hope this in some way makes sence.

ferrets will always be ferrets.

 

You don't know much about GOOD working ferrets do you mate.There is a little saying that go's.

 

You can remain silent and have people think you are a c**t

or you can open your mouth and remove ALL doubt.

[stubby 175]

I too, belive ferrets can get better with time, but trouble is, we aint all got the time or space, looking at it this way, so far I have 17 kitts, plus my original 9, now come ferreting season, we take out maybe 4 to 5 ferts, 2 will be from my proven workers so the 3 youngsters will be entered, and mentally marked on their performance throughout the day, so thats a toal of 6 ferreting trips to check out each youngster just once, some will fair better than others straight away, and these, tend then to be taken out more, the others getting sold on as either pets, or to new comers to the game, those ferrets may only have been taken out once or twice, but because their brothers or sisters excelled on their outing, dosent mean to say, they are any less a worker

 

if that makes sense

[Guest friedrice]

the whole subject of working ferrets verses show ferrets is one of the biggest myths

that anyone could read or heard.

ferrets are ferrets. they dont know when they are born if they from show or working lines,if there is sutch a thing.

and please dont tell me that ferrets from working lines are better, the only difference is that the show ferrets are used for showing

by they're owners wishes, and not worked, like workers of other ferrets would not show them, but only work.

ferrets are ferrets, but some times you do get some workers that stand out from the rest. but then again you also get ferrets that

looks better than most.

i hope this in some way makes sence.

ferrets will always be ferrets.

 

You don't know much about GOOD working ferrets do you mate.There is a little saying that go's.

 

You can remain silent and have people think you are a c**t

or you can open your mouth and remove ALL doubt.

pig face belive it or not i know more about ferrets than you or most on here will ever know. and thats not a boast, it's fact.

so crawl back into your sty porky. but the best cure i found myselfe for pigs is to invite them out for a days ferreting.

sorts the pork from the fat piggy, so pm's if you please from here on

[crow wing 0]

the whole subject of working ferrets verses show ferrets is one of the biggest myths

that anyone could read or heard.

ferrets are ferrets. they dont know when they are born if they from show or working lines,if there is sutch a thing.

and please dont tell me that ferrets from working lines are better, the only difference is that the show ferrets are used for showing

by they're owners wishes, and not worked, like workers of other ferrets would not show them, but only work.

ferrets are ferrets, but some times you do get some workers that stand out from the rest. but then again you also get ferrets that

looks better than most.

i hope this in some way makes sence.

ferrets will always be ferrets.

 

Friedrice..you are entitled to your opinion..but if you think that mate you are sadly mistaken...I...and I know of several others who have bought plenty of ferret kits from all sorts of different lines over the years which turned out to be pure outright shite...and I am telling you now and I am 100% certain that working strains of ferret are better than show strains..

 

If you take your sport seriously...and I say this to Steffan to...and if you want to do well at it..get working lines...and even working lines will occasionally breed some not so good offspring..but you are significantly increasing your chances of success at rabbiting with ferrets by getting from current working stock....accept no substitute !!!

 

But then I may be too fussy..my ferrets often need to go deep...and I mean deep and stay deep...well out of locator depth..in pursuit of and to bolt rabbits..not shallow hedgerow and flat field burrows..and I can tell you every ferret is not willing to do this..that is a proven fact..

 

A few years back I let a good line of polecats go...a few years later when trying to get hold of ferrets which suited my ideals took some doing...believe me..a couple of generations of parents not seeing a rabbit burrow has a detrimental effect on workability of offspring produced..yes there will be remnants of a once good line which are bound to surface somewhere..no doubt about that..but in isolation rather than consistently..and in the main the offspring will be....substandard shite !!

 

all the best

[crow wing 0]

the whole subject of working ferrets verses show ferrets is one of the biggest myths

that anyone could read or heard.

ferrets are ferrets. they dont know when they are born if they from show or working lines,if there is sutch a thing.

and please dont tell me that ferrets from working lines are better, the only difference is that the show ferrets are used for showing

by they're owners wishes, and not worked, like workers of other ferrets would not show them, but only work.

ferrets are ferrets, but some times you do get some workers that stand out from the rest. but then again you also get ferrets that

looks better than most.

i hope this in some way makes sence.

ferrets will always be ferrets.

 

You don't know much about GOOD working ferrets do you mate.There is a little saying that go's.

 

You can remain silent and have people think you are a c**t

or you can open your mouth and remove ALL doubt.

pig face belive it or not i know more about ferrets than you or most on here will ever know. and thats not a boast, it's fact.

so crawl back into your sty porky. but the best cure i found myselfe for pigs is to invite them out for a days ferreting.

sorts the pork from the fat piggy, so pm's if you please from here on

 

Friedrice...believe it or not..you do not know a great deal about ferrets otherwise you would not make such statements as you have re show / working lines being no different..tell me how many show ferrets you have worked...or seen work..or their offspring..

 

There is a true saying my old Dad used to say.."there are those who dont know...and there are those who dont know they dont know"..I am sure you must fit into one of those categories..either that or you are on a wind up..

 

And listen...I live in the Nth East...East Durham...I ferret on the Nth Pennines from December through February to bolt rabbits for my hawk..you are welcome to have a day anytime you want to in season...but bring your ferrets..

[para1 11]

the whole subject of working ferrets verses show ferrets is one of the biggest myths

that anyone could read or heard.

ferrets are ferrets. they dont know when they are born if they from show or working lines,if there is sutch a thing.

and please dont tell me that ferrets from working lines are better, the only difference is that the show ferrets are used for showing

by they're owners wishes, and not worked, like workers of other ferrets would not show them, but only work.

ferrets are ferrets, but some times you do get some workers that stand out from the rest. but then again you also get ferrets that

looks better than most.

i hope this in some way makes sence.

ferrets will always be ferrets.

 

Friedrice..you are entitled to your opinion..but if you think that mate you are sadly mistaken...I...and I know of several others who have bought plenty of ferret kits from all sorts of different lines over the years which turned out to be pure outright shite...and I am telling you now and I am 100% certain that working strains of ferret are better than show strains..

 

If you take your sport seriously...and I say this to Steffan to...and if you want to do well at it..get working lines...and even working lines will occasionally breed some not so good offspring..but you are significantly increasing your chances of success at rabbiting with ferrets by getting from current working stock....accept no substitute !!!

 

But then I may be too fussy..my ferrets often need to go deep...and I mean deep and stay deep...well out of locator depth..in pursuit of and to bolt rabbits..not shallow hedgerow and flat field burrows..and I can tell you every ferret is not willing to do this..that is a proven fact..

 

A few years back I let a good line of polecats go...a few years later when trying to get hold of ferrets which suited my ideals took some doing...believe me..a couple of generations of parents not seeing a rabbit burrow has a detrimental effect on workability of offspring produced..yes there will be remnants of a once good line which are bound to surface somewhere..no doubt about that..but in isolation rather than consistently..and in the main the offspring will be....substandard shite !!

 

all the best

 

Fieldrice I don't know this person from adam but I do know this He or She knows ferrets GOOD ferrets not ones that run into rabbits by accident .Yes rabbits will run away from any ferret but only a good ferret will find and stick to it till it bolts.Stick to your show ferrets mate I'm sure you know how to comb and powder their bums

[crow wing 0]

I too, belive ferrets can get better with time, but trouble is, we aint all got the time or space, looking at it this way, so far I have 17 kitts, plus my original 9, now come ferreting season, we take out maybe 4 to 5 ferts, 2 will be from my proven workers so the 3 youngsters will be entered, and mentally marked on their performance throughout the day, so thats a toal of 6 ferreting trips to check out each youngster just once, some will fair better than others straight away, and these, tend then to be taken out more, the others getting sold on as either pets, or to new comers to the game, those ferrets may only have been taken out once or twice, but because their brothers or sisters excelled on their outing, dosent mean to say, they are any less a worker

 

if that makes sense

 

Of course it makes sense Stubby..of the three Jills I have here only one has been mated...for the very reason you talk about..and I will keep two maybe three Jills from the offspring..and a pal will keep two hobs..the two other Jills as good workers as they are have been in with a vasectomised hob..

 

But that aint really the issue in this debate...and I will ask you a question and I would like an honest answer please..so here goes..God forbid it..but if you arrived home from work tomorrow to find all of your ferrets gone..no trace..where would you look to replace them ??

 

Now bearing in mind it is breeding time and there are plenty of kits to be had from both work and show breeders..and we started off talking about whether to consider having a free gift of kits from a show line...would you opt for a free gift of show stock...or would you look to pals or to other sources for known working lines even if you had to splash a few quid ??? That is the simple choice and matter which started this debate..

 

I am off to bed now..I aint been in long from work..but I will look forward to reading your answer tomorrow evening..

 

all the best

[crow wing 0]

the whole subject of working ferrets verses show ferrets is one of the biggest myths

that anyone could read or heard.

ferrets are ferrets. they dont know when they are born if they from show or working lines,if there is sutch a thing.

and please dont tell me that ferrets from working lines are better, the only difference is that the show ferrets are used for showing

by they're owners wishes, and not worked, like workers of other ferrets would not show them, but only work.

ferrets are ferrets, but some times you do get some workers that stand out from the rest. but then again you also get ferrets that

looks better than most.

i hope this in some way makes sence.

ferrets will always be ferrets.

 

Friedrice..you are entitled to your opinion..but if you think that mate you are sadly mistaken...I...and I know of several others who have bought plenty of ferret kits from all sorts of different lines over the years which turned out to be pure outright shite...and I am telling you now and I am 100% certain that working strains of ferret are better than show strains..

 

If you take your sport seriously...and I say this to Steffan to...and if you want to do well at it..get working lines...and even working lines will occasionally breed some not so good offspring..but you are significantly increasing your chances of success at rabbiting with ferrets by getting from current working stock....accept no substitute !!!

 

But then I may be too fussy..my ferrets often need to go deep...and I mean deep and stay deep...well out of locator depth..in pursuit of and to bolt rabbits..not shallow hedgerow and flat field burrows..and I can tell you every ferret is not willing to do this..that is a proven fact..

 

A few years back I let a good line of polecats go...a few years later when trying to get hold of ferrets which suited my ideals took some doing...believe me..a couple of generations of parents not seeing a rabbit burrow has a detrimental effect on workability of offspring produced..yes there will be remnants of a once good line which are bound to surface somewhere..no doubt about that..but in isolation rather than consistently..and in the main the offspring will be....substandard shite !!

 

all the best

 

Fieldrice I don't know this person from adam but I do know this He or She knows ferrets GOOD ferrets not ones that run into rabbits by accident .Yes rabbits will run away from any ferret but only a good ferret will find and stick to it till it bolts.Stick to your show ferrets mate I'm sure you know how to comb and powder their bums

 

 

Thanks Para...but I have a feeling we are falling on deaf ears mate...all the best..

[pritch 335]

the whole subject of working ferrets verses show ferrets is one of the biggest myths

that anyone could read or heard.

ferrets are ferrets. they dont know when they are born if they from show or working lines,if there is sutch a thing.

and please dont tell me that ferrets from working lines are better, the only difference is that the show ferrets are used for showing

by they're owners wishes, and not worked, like workers of other ferrets would not show them, but only work.

ferrets are ferrets, but some times you do get some workers that stand out from the rest. but then again you also get ferrets that

looks better than most.

i hope this in some way makes sence.

ferrets will always be ferrets.

bollocks no the ferret dont know where he is from but niether does a a terrier or lurcher, Do they all make the grade, do they f**k there is some shite talked on here

[Guest friedrice]

the whole subject of working ferrets verses show ferrets is one of the biggest myths

that anyone could read or heard.

ferrets are ferrets. they dont know when they are born if they from show or working lines,if there is sutch a thing.

and please dont tell me that ferrets from working lines are better, the only difference is that the show ferrets are used for showing

by they're owners wishes, and not worked, like workers of other ferrets would not show them, but only work.

ferrets are ferrets, but some times you do get some workers that stand out from the rest. but then again you also get ferrets that

looks better than most.

i hope this in some way makes sence.

ferrets will always be ferrets.

 

Friedrice..you are entitled to your opinion..but if you think that mate you are sadly mistaken...I...and I know of several others who have bought plenty of ferret kits from all sorts of different lines over the years which turned out to be pure outright shite...and I am telling you now and I am 100% certain that working strains of ferret are better than show strains..

 

If you take your sport seriously...and I say this to Steffan to...and if you want to do well at it..get working lines...and even working lines will occasionally breed some not so good offspring..but you are significantly increasing your chances of success at rabbiting with ferrets by getting from current working stock....accept no substitute !!!

 

But then I may be too fussy..my ferrets often need to go deep...and I mean deep and stay deep...well out of locator depth..in pursuit of and to bolt rabbits..not shallow hedgerow and flat field burrows..and I can tell you every ferret is not willing to do this..that is a proven fact..

 

A few years back I let a good line of polecats go...a few years later when trying to get hold of ferrets which suited my ideals took some doing...believe me..a couple of generations of parents not seeing a rabbit burrow has a detrimental effect on workability of offspring produced..yes there will be remnants of a once good line which are bound to surface somewhere..no doubt about that..but in isolation rather than consistently..and in the main the offspring will be....substandard shite !!

 

all the best

hi crow wing, what you say is true mate and i for one wouldent disagree with you. show lines or working lines, all ferrets to me.

but when you say about your plight to find real workers after letting your own line go reminds me of my own, and not only the ferrets but the terriers to.

its hard once youve had your own strain or line for many years,good stuff that never let you down and ive been there mate

its only after they've gone and you see your mates working ,while you slag them off under the cover of your shirt collar, that

you realise what you had was 110% better than any thing you have seen to date.

and i realy take my sport seriously mate but as ive said i also let my own strain go and no ones fault but my own.

but when your only left with some ferrets to work, working lines or show lines you work with the tools you have to hand,no matter where they

come from most will work.

when you start looking back into the past and think how deep some of your own would work,and how many rabbits they would bolt out

and more often then not when lesser ferrets would bolt nothing at all it makes you think what went wrong. i wouldent say anything went wrong,

what i would say that the ferrets you had then set a standard that most ferrets cant compare to. the same as all live stock mate you breed the

best to the best only to find you get shit,andyet the breeder of shit to shit often get better than you.

maybe we spend to mutch time trying to breed livestock that would match up to they're parents standards, when in the real world we all

know there is no standards,only the ones we would like to see.

so there you go crow wing, thats my opinion

[para1 11]

the whole subject of working ferrets verses show ferrets is one of the biggest myths

that anyone could read or heard.

ferrets are ferrets. they dont know when they are born if they from show or working lines,if there is sutch a thing.

and please dont tell me that ferrets from working lines are better, the only difference is that the show ferrets are used for showing

by they're owners wishes, and not worked, like workers of other ferrets would not show them, but only work.

ferrets are ferrets, but some times you do get some workers that stand out from the rest. but then again you also get ferrets that

looks better than most.

i hope this in some way makes sence.

ferrets will always be ferrets.

 

Friedrice..you are entitled to your opinion..but if you think that mate you are sadly mistaken...I...and I know of several others who have bought plenty of ferret kits from all sorts of different lines over the years which turned out to be pure outright shite...and I am telling you now and I am 100% certain that working strains of ferret are better than show strains..

 

If you take your sport seriously...and I say this to Steffan to...and if you want to do well at it..get working lines...and even working lines will occasionally breed some not so good offspring..but you are significantly increasing your chances of success at rabbiting with ferrets by getting from current working stock....accept no substitute !!!

 

But then I may be too fussy..my ferrets often need to go deep...and I mean deep and stay deep...well out of locator depth..in pursuit of and to bolt rabbits..not shallow hedgerow and flat field burrows..and I can tell you every ferret is not willing to do this..that is a proven fact..

 

A few years back I let a good line of polecats go...a few years later when trying to get hold of ferrets which suited my ideals took some doing...believe me..a couple of generations of parents not seeing a rabbit burrow has a detrimental effect on workability of offspring produced..yes there will be remnants of a once good line which are bound to surface somewhere..no doubt about that..but in isolation rather than consistently..and in the main the offspring will be....substandard shite !!

 

all the best

hi crow wing, what you say is true mate and i for one wouldent disagree with you. show lines or working lines, all ferrets to me.

but when you say about your plight to find real workers after letting your own line go reminds me of my own, and not only the ferrets but the terriers to.

its hard once youve had your own strain or line for many years,good stuff that never let you down and ive been there mate

its only after they've gone and you see your mates working ,while you slag them off under the cover of your shirt collar, that

you realise what you had was 110% better than any thing you have seen to date.

and i realy take my sport seriously mate but as ive said i also let my own strain go and no ones fault but my own.

but when your only left with some ferrets to work, working lines or show lines you work with the tools you have to hand,no matter where they

come from most will work.

when you start looking back into the past and think how deep some of your own would work,and how many rabbits they would bolt out

and more often then not when lesser ferrets would bolt nothing at all it makes you think what went wrong. i wouldent say anything went wrong,

what i would say that the ferrets you had then set a standard that most ferrets cant compare to. the same as all live stock mate you breed the

best to the best only to find you get shit,andyet the breeder of shit to shit often get better than you.

maybe we spend to mutch time trying to breed livestock that would match up to they're parents standards, when in the real world we all

know there is no standards,only the ones we would like to see.

so there you go crow wing, thats my opinion

 

Why didn't you talk sense in the first place? All the best

[pritch 335]

I too, belive ferrets can get better with time, but trouble is, we aint all got the time or space, looking at it this way, so far I have 17 kitts, plus my original 9, now come ferreting season, we take out maybe 4 to 5 ferts, 2 will be from my proven workers so the 3 youngsters will be entered, and mentally marked on their performance throughout the day, so thats a toal of 6 ferreting trips to check out each youngster just once, some will fair better than others straight away, and these, tend then to be taken out more, the others getting sold on as either pets, or to new comers to the game, those ferrets may only have been taken out once or twice, but because their brothers or sisters excelled on their outing, dosent mean to say, they are any less a worker

 

if that makes sense

course it makes sense each is an individual matures at different rates you take the ones that show early promise nothing wrong with that,But it doesnt guarantee you kept the the best ferrets how many footballers who are signed in their early teens go on to make the grade 5% but they can all still play just at different levels. I've had top ferrets the ones i've got now are mediocre at best to say a ferret is a ferret at best shows ignorance & at worst down right deception & as the the show fraternity grow the ferret will go the same way as the pedigree terrier bred for coulor lenth of coat & so on for some it stops being a bit of fun & they will tell you owt they think you want to hear because they can get a few quid more for silvers or what av you f**k em, RANT over breed workers, ATB Pritch

[pritch 335]

the whole subject of working ferrets verses show ferrets is one of the biggest myths

that anyone could read or heard.

ferrets are ferrets. they dont know when they are born if they from show or working lines,if there is sutch a thing.

and please dont tell me that ferrets from working lines are better, the only difference is that the show ferrets are used for showing

by they're owners wishes, and not worked, like workers of other ferrets would not show them, but only work.

ferrets are ferrets, but some times you do get some workers that stand out from the rest. but then again you also get ferrets that

looks better than most.

i hope this in some way makes sence.

ferrets will always be ferrets.

 

Friedrice..you are entitled to your opinion..but if you think that mate you are sadly mistaken...I...and I know of several others who have bought plenty of ferret kits from all sorts of different lines over the years which turned out to be pure outright shite...and I am telling you now and I am 100% certain that working strains of ferret are better than show strains..

 

If you take your sport seriously...and I say this to Steffan to...and if you want to do well at it..get working lines...and even working lines will occasionally breed some not so good offspring..but you are significantly increasing your chances of success at rabbiting with ferrets by getting from current working stock....accept no substitute !!!

 

But then I may be too fussy..my ferrets often need to go deep...and I mean deep and stay deep...well out of locator depth..in pursuit of and to bolt rabbits..not shallow hedgerow and flat field burrows..and I can tell you every ferret is not willing to do this..that is a proven fact..

 

A few years back I let a good line of polecats go...a few years later when trying to get hold of ferrets which suited my ideals took some doing...believe me..a couple of generations of parents not seeing a rabbit burrow has a detrimental effect on workability of offspring produced..yes there will be remnants of a once good line which are bound to surface somewhere..no doubt about that..but in isolation rather than consistently..and in the main the offspring will be....substandard shite !!

 

all the best

hi crow wing, what you say is true mate and i for one wouldent disagree with you. show lines or working lines, all ferrets to me.

but when you say about your plight to find real workers after letting your own line go reminds me of my own, and not only the ferrets but the terriers to.

its hard once youve had your own strain or line for many years,good stuff that never let you down and ive been there mate

its only after they've gone and you see your mates working ,while you slag them off under the cover of your shirt collar, that

you realise what you had was 110% better than any thing you have seen to date.

and i realy take my sport seriously mate but as ive said i also let my own strain go and no ones fault but my own.

but when your only left with some ferrets to work, working lines or show lines you work with the tools you have to hand,no matter where they

come from most will work.

when you start looking back into the past and think how deep some of your own would work,and how many rabbits they would bolt out

and more often then not when lesser ferrets would bolt nothing at all it makes you think what went wrong. i wouldent say anything went wrong,

what i would say that the ferrets you had then set a standard that most ferrets cant compare to. the same as all live stock mate you breed the

best to the best only to find you get shit,andyet the breeder of shit to shit often get better than you.

maybe we spend to mutch time trying to breed livestock that would match up to they're parents standards, when in the real world we all

know there is no standards,only the ones we would like to see.

so there you go crow wing, thats my opinion

your opinion is worth f**k all because you talk shite. Pritch

[lorelei0922 2]

Friedrice...believe it or not..you do not know a great deal about ferrets otherwise you would not make such statements as you have re show / working lines being no different..tell me how many show ferrets you have worked...or seen work..or their offspring..

 

 

hi there.. not to cause a fuss of anything...

 

My ferrets are from good working lines.. and took MORE than their share of ribbons at the shows last year. We attended a show a week from May to September and i dont remember one time coming home with less than 1 first place or best in show.

 

They also work damn well in the winter and we've a freezer full of rabbit to prove it.

 

Working ferrets Can be show ferrets!

[Kay 3,709]

Friedrice...believe it or not..you do not know a great deal about ferrets otherwise you would not make such statements as you have re show / working lines being no different..tell me how many show ferrets you have worked...or seen work..or their offspring..

 

 

hi there.. not to cause a fuss of anything...

 

My ferrets are from good working lines.. and took MORE than their share of ribbons at the shows last year. We attended a show a week from May to September and i dont remember one time coming home with less than 1 first place or best in show.

 

They also work damn well in the winter and we've a freezer full of rabbit to prove it.

 

Working ferrets Can be show ferrets!

 

All ferrets owned by women can multi task