diver bottles and wood pigeons ?

[Adam-RunningDog 1]

this is going to be a really greedy topic but i may aswell put it into this one rather than anoy you and put up two

But i have got an air arms S200 MK3 the new one and i am only getting about 70 full power shots but the thing is i use it alot 70 is plenty but i am out nearly every day with it and i have shots dosens of squirrels and crows but i am always refilling it and was wondering if anybody got a diver bottle for sale i dont know the exact name for the bottles but could someone help me out they are in my local gunshop but they put a nice hole in your pocket and can you refil them if so how much would it cost to refil ?

the other quiestion is can anybody help me on pigeon shooting (wood pigeons) would i be wasting my time buying decoys and could anybody help me hunt them better they seem to spot me before i spot them.

should i sit and wait with decoys out or should i go looking for them what ground should i hunt on any usefull information on either of these subject would be most apreciated i am only a 16 year old boy but the last month i have got into shooting in a big way but i usual do lurcher work. PM if you want

so any information would be most apreciated thanks

Adam running dog

[Dullahan 0]

this is going to be a really greedy topic but i may aswell put it into this one rather than anoy you and put up two

But i have got an air arms S200 MK3 the new one and i am only getting about 70 full power shots but the thing is i use it alot 70 is plenty but i am out nearly every day with it and i have shots dosens of squirrels and crows but i am always refilling it and was wondering if anybody got a diver bottle for sale i dont know the exact name for the bottles but could someone help me out they are in my local gunshop but they put a nice hole in your pocket and can you refil them if so how much would it cost to refil ?

the other quiestion is can anybody help me on pigeon shooting (wood pigeons) would i be wasting my time buying decoys and could anybody help me hunt them better they seem to spot me before i spot them.

should i sit and wait with decoys out or should i go looking for them what ground should i hunt on any usefull information on either of these subject would be most apreciated i am only a 16 year old boy but the last month i have got into shooting in a big way but i usual do lurcher work. PM if you want

so any information would be most apreciated thanks

Adam running dog

 

The name of my cylinder type is DIN. You are better to purchase the cylinder from your gun shop as you can then take to refill. I have a charging set for sale on this forum if you care to look at it.

Dullahan

[Bobba 0]

this is going to be a really greedy topic but i may aswell put it into this one rather than anoy you and put up two

But i have got an air arms S200 MK3 the new one and i am only getting about 70 full power shots but the thing is i use it alot 70 is plenty but i am out nearly every day with it and i have shots dosens of squirrels and crows but i am always refilling it and was wondering if anybody got a diver bottle for sale i dont know the exact name for the bottles but could someone help me out they are in my local gunshop but they put a nice hole in your pocket and can you refil them if so how much would it cost to refil ?

the other quiestion is can anybody help me on pigeon shooting (wood pigeons) would i be wasting my time buying decoys and could anybody help me hunt them better they seem to spot me before i spot them.

should i sit and wait with decoys out or should i go looking for them what ground should i hunt on any usefull information on either of these subject would be most apreciated i am only a 16 year old boy but the last month i have got into shooting in a big way but i usual do lurcher work. PM if you want

so any information would be most apreciated thanks

Adam running dog

 

What you have to bear in mind with cylinders is the type of pillar valve it has and whether it would be classed as a diving cylinder or not. In the airgun magazines there are adverts for cylinders with pillar valves and integrated gauges which could not be used for diving. These are the type also generally sold by gunshops> They are for surface use only and need only to be tested evry 5 yrs from date of manufacture.

 

If, however the pillar valve is either a DIN or "A" clamp fitting which can support diving then any air station would have no alternative but to regard it as a diving cylinder. These require a "Hydrostatic" test 5 yrs from date of manufacture (Which is stamped on the shoulder of the cylinder) and a "visual" test every half way through this period e.g years 2.5; 7.5 etc. Effectively the cylinder is tested every 2.5 yrs and would cary and IDEST sticker on the shoulder showing in-test date. If the cylinder is not in-test then nobody will fill it.

 

So, the purpose of this explanation is to say if you are offered a 2nd hand dive cylinder make sure it is in-test and for a good period of time. Otherwise YOU will have to get it tested via a dive shop before anyone will fill it. If it fails the test they chop it in half!! and it is not returned to you. alternatively you could invite the vendor to have it tested before you buy it.

 

The cost of a "fill" in most dive shops is around the £3 mark depending on cylinder size and pressure i.e 232 or 300 BAR.

 

If you go down the new cylinder route, there are offers. e.g. Divers Warehouse have 12 ltr 232 BAR @ about £130 and "A" clamp or DIN fitting adaptors with pressure gauge can be knocked up by people at Sub-Aqua products southampton if you go down this route.

 

HTH

regards

Edited May 6, 2008 by Bobba

[jamie g 17]

get the biggest dive bottle you can aford. less trips to the shop then my shop charges 4.50 for a fill

[SNAP SHOT 194]

this is going to be a really greedy topic but i may aswell put it into this one rather than anoy you and put up two

But i have got an air arms S200 MK3 the new one and i am only getting about 70 full power shots but the thing is i use it alot 70 is plenty but i am out nearly every day with it and i have shots dosens of squirrels and crows but i am always refilling it and was wondering if anybody got a diver bottle for sale i dont know the exact name for the bottles but could someone help me out they are in my local gunshop but they put a nice hole in your pocket and can you refil them if so how much would it cost to refil ?

the other quiestion is can anybody help me on pigeon shooting (wood pigeons) would i be wasting my time buying decoys and could anybody help me hunt them better they seem to spot me before i spot them.

should i sit and wait with decoys out or should i go looking for them what ground should i hunt on any usefull information on either of these subject would be most apreciated i am only a 16 year old boy but the last month i have got into shooting in a big way but i usual do lurcher work. PM if you want

so any information would be most apreciated thanks

Adam running dog

 

What you have to bear in mind with cylinders is the type of pillar valve it has and whether it would be classed as a diving cylinder or not. In the airgun magazines there are adverts for cylinders with pillar valves and integrated gauges which could not be used for diving. These are the type also generally sold by gunshops> They are for surface use only and need only to be tested evry 5 yrs from date of manufacture.

 

If, however the pillar valve is either a DIN or "A" clamp fitting which can support diving then any air station would have no alternative but to regard it as a diving cylinder. These require a "Hydrostatic" test 5 yrs from date of manufacture (Which is stamped on the shoulder of the cylinder) and a "visual" test every half way through this period e.g years 2.5; 7.5 etc. Effectively the cylinder is tested every 2.5 yrs and would cary and IDEST sticker on the shoulder showing in-test date. If the cylinder is not in-test then nobody will fill it.

 

So, the purpose of this explanation is to say if you are offered a 2nd hand dive cylinder make sure it is in-test and for a good period of time. Otherwise YOU will have to get it tested via a dive shop before anyone will fill it. If it fails the test they chop it in half!! and it is not returned to you. alternatively you could invite the vendor to have it tested before you buy it.

 

The cost of a "fill" in most dive shops is around the £3 mark depending on cylinder size and pressure i.e 232 or 300 BAR.

 

If you go down the new cylinder route, there are offers. e.g. Divers Warehouse have 12 ltr 232 BAR @ about £130 and "A" clamp or DIN fitting adaptors with pressure gauge can be knocked up by people at Sub-Aqua products southampton if you go down this route.

 

HTH

regards

 

the biggest you can get is 15 ltr for diving and rated to 300 bar pressure although most dive shops only fill to about 232 to do with the compressor type

with a 232 bar rated cylinder its normally filled to 200 to 210 bar 232 bar is the test pressure.

spot on advice from bobba.

[wats 0]

get the biggest dive bottle you can aford. less trips to the shop then my shop charges 4.50 for a fill

2 quid in barnsley to fill 12 litre as for pidgeons find where they roost sit a couple of hours before dark, bang take em out as they land slow movements they av eyes like hawks, good luck mate

[Operator 3]

Sorry to revive an old post, I've tried searching with no luck. I'm thinking of getting a PCP, probably a Falcon mutlishot profile with bull barrel, what is the practical difference between the different bar pressure ratings? Obviously the size of the bottle relates to how much air it can hold, does a higher bar rating mean more as well? I'm not the most technical of people so a nice easy answer would be most appreciated! Does it matter what the bar rating of the gun is?

[spud gun 16]

alright mate its not really the time of year for shooting pigeons at the min. there is so many things still on the trees that you dont even get the chance to see them. it picks up a big when every thing falls off the trees.

 

spen

[bigdave911 0]

2 quid in barnsley to fill 12 litre

 

So let me get this right a gun shop will fill a full 12 litre bottle for 2 quid?

 

The reason im asking is that i asked at my local gun shop if i was to buy a pcp would they fill the buddy bottle and he said yes £2.50 a fill

 

So it cost around the same price for a gun shop to fill a buddy bottle as it does to fill a 12 litre bottle?

 

Maybe i have totally missed the boat on this one and have confused myself something stupid

 

Dave

[Bobba 0]

2 quid in barnsley to fill 12 litre

 

So let me get this right a gun shop will fill a full 12 litre bottle for 2 quid?

 

The reason im asking is that i asked at my local gun shop if i was to buy a pcp would they fill the buddy bottle and he said yes £2.50 a fill

 

So it cost around the same price for a gun shop to fill a buddy bottle as it does to fill a 12 litre bottle?

 

Maybe i have totally missed the boat on this one and have confused myself something stupid

 

Dave

 

As a long time diver I was always told the air is free - it's the labour involved in filling the bottle that is the cost. So I suspect your dive shop is charging you for having the miscellany of hoses for the mix of guns / buddy bottles they would be asked to fill and the cost of the person doing the filling your buddy bottle.

 

As previous posts suggest, it's best to get a decent size cylinder with pillar valve with integrated contents gauge. This would indicate for surface use only and require testing every 5 years. I beleive online sites such as dive deep blue also have an airgun section.

 

In dive shops there is little difference in 10 or 12 litre fill costs at 232 bar but it does go up when you have 300 bar because its at the top end of compressor performance which normally knocks the guts out of it over time. Locally (Bristol) one can pay £3 for a 300 bar 7 litre cylinder fill and this will give you oodles of fills.

 

The trick is to get a large cylinder and keep in test and a 3 litre pony bottle plus decanting hose. This way you can decant from the large to small cylinder and carry the small one for fills when out and about.

Regards

[bigdave911 0]

i see now so you obviously arent going to get charged for the air just the guys time and the use for his kit. So the bigger the better when your getting a fill.

 

cheers for the clear up

[wats 0]

2 quid in barnsley to fill 12 litre

 

So let me get this right a gun shop will fill a full 12 litre bottle for 2 quid?

 

The reason im asking is that i asked at my local gun shop if i was to buy a pcp would they fill the buddy bottle and he said yes £2.50 a fill

 

So it cost around the same price for a gun shop to fill a buddy bottle as it does to fill a 12 litre bottle?

 

Maybe i have totally missed the boat on this one and have confused myself something stupid

 

Dave

yes 2 quid 1 quid for buddy bottle but that was last year cause 12 ltr lasts ages