Guest Corkonian Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 One of the terriers was knocked down two years ago and has had three seizures since. Seems to get them when he's under a bit of 'stress' so have been careful with what I've done with him since. It's a bollocks cause he's a grand terrier. Noticed that for the last week he was a bit quiet and guessed a seizure was on the way as that's what happened before - Monday morning he started itching himself as if he was covered in fleas and them puked after a bout of empty reaching - then got the seizure - stiff all over and the head goes back and his pupils go huge Only lasted a minute or two. Brought him to the vet yesterday and he said it's epilepsy. Gave me Epanutin capsules 50mg to give him once a week. Any advice? Is this the right stuff to give him? I read the leaflet that's stuck to the bottle and there's a long list of possible side effects - including that it could change the shape of the penis I might start taking them myself :whistle: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Keeps Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Epanutin is one of the drugs used for human epilepsy so I would guess it is right for dogs too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Gunn 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 A friend of mine had a GSD with Epilepsy when she got to 9, still had a few quality years on the drugs in semi retirement. That was genetic, sounds like your lad has had it brought on by a possible fluid blockage in the brain due to the accident. pressure builds up and he is sick and gets an episode then he recovers and is OK for a while I have seen this happen in humans after a head injury. Good luck with him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Corkonian Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I wonder if even in humans would they put you on constant medication even if you only got such few seizures over so long a time? Looking at http://www.canine-epilepsy.net/ and that has some good info but it does say that a lot of the drugs used for dogs have sedative like effects. There are drugs to use during the seizures to stop them - maybe that's the better option? I'll get a second vet opinion after some more reading. The vet can get any human medicine without a problem from his suppliers - but he said even a bottle of pen strep or anything badged for animal use and he'll be the day filling out forms - humans are worth nothing you see Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidney 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I wonder if even in humans would they put you on constant medication even if you only got such few seizures over so long a time?Looking at http://www.canine-epilepsy.net/ and that has some good info but it does say that a lot of the drugs used for dogs have sedative like effects. There are drugs to use during the seizures to stop them - maybe that's the better option? I'll get a second vet opinion after some more reading. The vet can get any human medicine without a problem from his suppliers - but he said even a bottle of pen strep or anything badged for animal use and he'll be the day filling out forms - humans are worth nothing you see I have flown my male harris hawk for the last 10 yrs, a superb bird, I have had a lot of fun with him over the years. Over the christmas holidays he had two fits, both while he was holding onto a pheasant. I took him to the vets today and have had it confirmed that he has epilepsy. She said I have two options, one is to drug him up, which will obviously hinder his hunting ability to the point that I couldnt fly him, or secondly let nature take its course,dont give him medication and carry on hunting with him. If I carry on as normal the vet told me that there is a possibility that he could have another fit and if its while he his flying he could injure or even kill himself by falling and breaking his neck. I didnt have to think about it at all, I couldnt bear the thought of him sat in his aviary, drugged up. He will carry on as normal and what will be, will be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Corkonian Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Drugs will be a last resort alright - until or if things get real bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dawn B 212 Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Can you explain the "seizures" to me Corky. Is the dog concious? does he wee/mess himself, does he "paddle" or does he cramp and go stiff? Dawn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jjbull 38 Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 does it mean different things depending on how the dog has a fit dawn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dawn B 212 Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Absolutely JJbull. A dog having "Epileptic" fits will be unconcious, unable to respond, will usually wee and or mess, will paddle with their legs, will be disoriented and may be snappy and confused for some time afterwards. A condition called "Canine epileptoid cramping syndrome" or CECS has been around for a long time and was always confused with Epilepsy, but the dog is not unconscious, they will try to come to you if you call, they will respond, they go stiff rather than limp on the floor, many remain standing, they appear to have cramp. Should this be the case then dog will not benefit from taking any Epilepsy drugs, in fact they can make them worse. If Corkonians dog fits these symptoms better, I can point him in the right direction which will help him manage the condition and dogs usually do just fine. Dawn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jjbull 38 Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 --> QUOTE(Dawn B @ Jan 8 2006, 07:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Absolutely JJbull. A dog having "Epileptic" fits will be unconcious, unable to respond, will usually wee and or mess, will paddle with their legs, will be disoriented and may be snappy and confused for some time afterwards. A condition called "Canine epileptoid cramping syndrome" or CECS has been around for a long time and was always confused with Epilepsy, but the dog is not unconscious, they will try to come to you if you call, they will respond, they go stiff rather than limp on the floor, many remain standing, they appear to have cramp. Should this be the case then dog will not benefit from taking any Epilepsy drugs, in fact they can make them worse. If Corkonians dog fits these symptoms better, I can point him in the right direction which will help him manage the condition and dogs usually do just fine. Dawn. i was only asking as one of mine has the odd fit he hits the floor and is really stiff all his toes and back are arched his mouth is open letting out little growling noisesi think hes concious as he does look at me when i talk to him he sometimes messes himself but not always hes a bit disoreintated for a little while maybe 30 secs but then right as rain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steezy 1 Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Hi ! my old pitty got epilepsy ! make sure that the dog can´t hurt hisself by falling from the coutch or something like this ! He got no pain and he will not know what happens to him ! be careful with your hands , if he lay on a save place "don´t touch him" , he can bite you in the attack ( he don´t want it , but he can do it ) ! to give pills depends on how many attacks he got in wich time ! my dog got every year one maybe two attacks and a few vets told me then there is no need for to give pills , but when it get oftener ( maybe one time a week or few times in a month ) you had to give pills ! ... but no vet can tell you truthly if it is really epilepsy ! they must to put the dog on a EKG ( a instrument to mess the heart ) in a attack to know if it is epilepsy ! my dog get attacks when the weather is to hot for him , but only a few times in the year ! Greetings Steezy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dawn B 212 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 --><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dawn B @ Jan 8 2006, 07:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Absolutely JJbull. A dog having "Epileptic" fits will be unconcious, unable to respond, will usually wee and or mess, will paddle with their legs, will be disoriented and may be snappy and confused for some time afterwards. A condition called "Canine epileptoid cramping syndrome" or CECS has been around for a long time and was always confused with Epilepsy, but the dog is not unconscious, they will try to come to you if you call, they will respond, they go stiff rather than limp on the floor, many remain standing, they appear to have cramp. Should this be the case then dog will not benefit from taking any Epilepsy drugs, in fact they can make them worse. If Corkonians dog fits these symptoms better, I can point him in the right direction which will help him manage the condition and dogs usually do just fine. Dawn. i was only asking as one of mine has the odd fit he hits the floor and is really stiff all his toes and back are arched his mouth is open letting out little growling noisesi think hes concious as he does look at me when i talk to him he sometimes messes himself but not always hes a bit disoreintated for a little while maybe 30 secs but then right as rain Sounds suspicious but I have not known one mess when cramping. Main thing is you seem to have it well covered, and the dog sounds fine, unless a dog was having Epileptics fits more than once every 6wks or so I wouldnt medicate it anyway. Is it a Terrier? Dawn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Corkonian Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Hi Dawn - Only spotted your reply this morning The dog goes stiff as a board, stays conscious and does not lose control of his bladder etc. The second time he got one he stayed standing during it. That CECS could be what he has alright? What can be done about it? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jjbull 38 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 he doesnt have regular attacks last one was about 3 months ago he messed hisself twice out of 5 attacks but its when hes coming out of the "fit" not during it and im not sure if its out of fear vet said no need for drugs as there not regular and apart from that hes as fit as a fiddle hes a lab X weimaraner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dawn B 212 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 JJBull, I agree with the Vet and you, too far apart. Corkonian,. Take a look here, ask your friend too, there is loads of info on how to minimise these attacks, seems to be food conected somewhere, there are pics and videos too. Dawn. http://www.borderterrier-cecs.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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