quick net??? talentless???

[woz 260]

iv had a deal for some stuff and i have ended up with a 50 yard long net and a 100 yard quick net....i watched the gent i bought the nets off set them out so i could look at them prior to purchase....as soon as sunday came around off i went to my field to set them out...this wasnt a hunting exercise it was a getting to know the net jobby..it took me bloody ages to get the long net up,if it had been a hunting exercise the quary would of died of boredom or of laughter.by the time the net was out i was flustered and i had court my lurcher terrier and the dam collie....my veggie mrs walked past with that smug glo on her face with a comment of "bunnies will be safe for a while then!!"...so i picked the blasted long net up best i could put it away and then picked my quick net up.put the strap over my head and away i went...four minutes and 100 yards of perfectly layed net was down......so my question is..........is using a quick net taking the talent out of the art?? theres no mention of catching with a net simply a matter of setting....

[mole catcher 1]

you will go to hell for asking a question like that one Woz

 

well buddy you know my thoughts on the subject and to get this debate rolling i will be bold enough(or stupid) to put my head on the longnet chopping block.

 

The skill needed to set a net rigged on endpins is a hard learnt skill but once learnt its no harder than riding a bike. the basket system has opened up long netting to those who want a quick fix solution to a method. IN MY OWN OPINION i feel the skills of the old time long netter will be lost the more that folk use the basket. And yes i know its called moving with the times and I HAVNT GOT ANYTHING AGAINST THE BASKETS AS I USE THEM ALSO but, why try to fix something thats not broken?

 

But then again Woz as i said to you on the phone yesterday, it seems to me there are a lot of sportsman wanting a quick way of gaining the experiance that most of us have taken years to get.

 

'' A great journey always starts with the first tiny step, a journey that goes on for many miles and takes you to the most beautifull of places. To witness such places is the journey itself and to walk with ones eyes shut is a true waste of ones time. After all, isnt it the journey that is the pleasure and not the end?'' Ghandi.

[mackem 26,696]

Better to travel than to arrive,aint that the truth

[TOMO 26,231]

i agree with mole catcher there.

 

i lernd the hard way , so evry body else should .

[Rolfe 2]

The pleasure is in learning the art.......whatever that may be.....be it long netting, snaring, trapping or any other method that requires hours of endless practice. Experience is exactly that........these things cannot be learned overnight and in adopting these quick fix solutions, the whole learning exercise........fieldcraft.....call it what you will ...is bypassed and valuable lessons along with it.

It saddens me when i see posts on here that proclaim "I have twenty snares, can anyone tell me how to set them please"

I can show anyone the basics of how to set a rabbit snare in a couple of minutes,but what i can't teach anyone is the fieldcraft to go with it, this only comes with hours of practice out in the fields doing the job day in day out. For that reason i will not attempt to instruct anyone how to set snares unless i am standing over them and supervising the procedure, but i will always advise where i can on setting heights, locations etc. mainly to avoid non-target species being caught.

I learned my trade through hours of watching long nets being set.... both day and night... and even longer hours of setting them myself......It was years before i was trusted by "The Old Boys" to drop a net myself but i was eventually welcomed into the clan.

The quick-set sytem i use on a regular basis.......it is modern development that i am glad to adopt and it has saved countless hours of work on contracts over the years. I still use the traditional nets as well and often combine the two sytems..........they work alongside each other in harmony.

So yes..... we must all move with the times, things change, new ideas come along......setting rabbit snares at 6.5 inches and using wire tealers is a good example, but you need to have learned from the past to get the best from the new.

 

Rolfe.

[desertdog 149]

Having taken the longnet apprentaship,ihave to say you never stop learning,i only use the quick set method nowadays, day and night, i was taught to longnet by an old fella and used the proper method for years, he would cuss me if i got it wrong, i dont think its talentless, because you still need fieldcraft, i reckon its evolution, the trade is not being passed on as it should be.

[Guest WILF]

Well now, this is gonna go down like a pork roast at a jewish sunday lunch, but here gos............

 

I dont think its that hard or an artform to set a traditional long net...........its piss easy!

 

As long as you pick it up correctly, thats all there is to it!

 

Never tryed the "quickset" thingy bobs, so cant speake for them..............

[woz 260]

oh yes a peice of piss....grab the net out of your jacket bang a few poles in hey presto 90 rabbits!!!!!! and back to the real world.....im sure if you know your stuff its easy..so is riding a bike when youve learned!!! it took me bloody ages to get the dam thing up....never mind middle of the night in a gale!!! ITS ABOUT TIME THERE WAS AN INFORMATIVE DETAITED BOOK PUBLISHED ON THE ART OF LONG NETTING!!!!!!

[Rolfe 2]

oh yes a peice of piss....grab the net out of your jacket bang a few poles in hey presto 90 rabbits!!!!!! and back to the real world.....im sure if you know your stuff its easy..so is riding a bike when youve learned!!! it took me bloody ages to get the dam thing up....never mind middle of the night in a gale!!! ITS ABOUT TIME THERE WAS AN INFORMATIVE DETAITED BOOK PUBLISHED ON THE ART OF LONG NETTING!!!!!!

The Art of Longnetting by H Wyman............will tell you the basics........some nonsense in it as well mind.......but to give you a rough idea of how to run out and pick up nets it is worth a read.

 

Rolfe.

[mole catcher 1]

yes Woz, The art of long netting by H Wyman will show you the basics, sadly in yrs past most netters kept things to themselves so when they died their methods died with them.

 

Untill i get my arse up to see you just keep at it

[Crow 1]

Any idiot can set the basket/quickset/easyset system (and apologies if you are one of those that can't - having said that if you can't set a basket system then I doubt you have the savvy to turn on a pc, log on to the internet, find a hunting forum, register, sign in and then read this post anyway!). That's exactly why the basket system has been developed; because it's easy and anyone can do it.

 

As for the traditional method then it really doesn't take that much practice does it?

 

It seems to me that the constant banging on about the method of setting the longnet is taking the modern netter away from where the actual skill is! It's not in how you put the net up is it? You could get Badger Building to set the f****r on 4" x 4" poles rooted in concrete and it would still be the same in principle!

 

The skill comes in the knowleadge of where and when to set the net - and from what I've seen there are far too many people concerned with how they carry their net to a field than they are about where is the best place to set it and when!

 

It is my opinion that the basket system has de-skilled the longnetting 'game' because it has shifted the emphasis on what is important; it's now all about speed and f*****g ease! And what is more worrying is that in recent years I have not read one article or book where the author has actually got to the crux of the intimacies of long-netting. They've all fixated on the 'Traditional v Basket' arguement, seemingly ignorant of the fact that the method of setting the net is totally irrelivant once that net is set. Rabbits don't give a shit as to how a net is carried to a field and set up (or maybe I should say dropped!!), but they are concerned of where its set

 

We live the age of the 'immediate expert' and the basket/quickset/easyset/callitwhatyouwant system fits in this age perfectly!

 

Crow

[Guest WILF]

Bloody great post...................

[woz 260]

Any idiot can set the basket/quickset/easyset system (and apologies if you are one of those that can't - having said that if you can't set a basket system then I doubt you have the savvy to turn on a pc, log on to the internet, find a hunting forum, register, sign in and then read this post anyway!). That's exactly why the basket system has been developed; because it's easy and anyone can do it.

 

As for the traditional method then it really doesn't take that much practice does it?

 

It seems to me that the constant banging on about the method of setting the longnet is taking the modern netter away from where the actual skill is! It's not in how you put the net up is it? You could get Badger Building to set the f****r on 4" x 4" poles rooted in concrete and it would still be the same in principle!

 

The skill comes in the knowleadge of where and when to set the net - and from what I've seen there are far too many people concerned with how they carry their net to a field than they are about where is the best place to set it and when!

 

It is my opinion that the basket system has de-skilled the longnetting 'game' because it has shifted the emphasis on what is important; it's now all about speed and f*****g ease! And what is more worrying is that in recent years I have not read one article or book where the author has actually got to the crux of the intimacies of long-netting. They've all fixated on the 'Traditional v Basket' arguement, seemingly ignorant of the fact that the method of setting the net is totally irrelivant once that net is set. Rabbits don't give a shit as to how a net is carried to a field and set up (or maybe I should say dropped!!), but they are concerned of where its set

 

We live the age of the 'immediate expert' and the basket/quickset/easyset/callitwhatyouwant system fits in this age perfectly!

 

Crow

 

 

my post as stated has nothing to do with field craft....and i find field craft is more of a feel rather than being taught or read out of a book and armed with all the knowledge in the world if you havnt got a feel for field craft it isnt ever going to happen.......i started this thread because i had a deal on a long net and a quick net,i wasnt really bothered about either at the time...i walked into one of our fields and proceeded to drop both nets,i struggled with the trad system all be it im disabled?? so to me how ever well shown i personaly will struggle with the trad system....there is an art to correctly handling a long net never mind the field craft.im not talking about using these nets to ferret as im sure 99% of nets sold now are used ......traditional longnetting is a dying art by vertue of what it is...a solitary persuit of the rabbit......

[Crow 1]

...and i find field craft is more of a feel rather than being taught or read out of a book and armed with all the knowledge in the world if you havnt got a feel for field craft it isnt ever going to happen.....

 

Spot on

[mole catcher 1]

Any idiot can set the basket/quickset/easyset system (and apologies if you are one of those that can't - having said that if you can't set a basket system then I doubt you have the savvy to turn on a pc, log on to the internet, find a hunting forum, register, sign in and then read this post anyway!). That's exactly why the basket system has been developed; because it's easy and anyone can do it.

 

As for the traditional method then it really doesn't take that much practice does it?

 

It seems to me that the constant banging on about the method of setting the longnet is taking the modern netter away from where the actual skill is! It's not in how you put the net up is it? You could get Badger Building to set the f****r on 4" x 4" poles rooted in concrete and it would still be the same in principle!

 

The skill comes in the knowleadge of where and when to set the net - and from what I've seen there are far too many people concerned with how they carry their net to a field than they are about where is the best place to set it and when!

 

It is my opinion that the basket system has de-skilled the longnetting 'game' because it has shifted the emphasis on what is important; it's now all about speed and f*****g ease! And what is more worrying is that in recent years I have not read one article or book where the author has actually got to the crux of the intimacies of long-netting. They've all fixated on the 'Traditional v Basket' arguement, seemingly ignorant of the fact that the method of setting the net is totally irrelivant once that net is set. Rabbits don't give a shit as to how a net is carried to a field and set up (or maybe I should say dropped!!), but they are concerned of where its set

 

We live the age of the 'immediate expert' and the basket/quickset/easyset/callitwhatyouwant system fits in this age perfectly!

 

Crow

 

 

QUOTE'' Who stole the jam out of your doughnut?''UNQUOTE Tommy from snatch

 

 

As we have said many times before Crow, it should have been called the convieniant set net, not the quick set as its making some of those who buy it concentrate on speed rather the finer points of the method.

 

when you say the endpin method doesnt take that much practise i beg to differ on that one. anyone can walk the net out and back peg as most of the dvds show you, but just how many can actually single handed set the net as they go using the endpins in the pitch black? not as many as we are lead to believe im sure