lost working breeds

[midnight 657]

hello fellas i sure you wont like me taking up space on here that a good digging post might of used , but , i know most of you know your stuf and would have an opinion on what the state of afairs is ..

 

 

what happened to working terriers of old ?

breeds like the "glenomall" "the irish" the "welsh" "kerry blue " etc etc

 

i know most are to big for digging work , and that the kennel club f****d up the breeding so that they are lookers not workers but why did they fall from favor . ?

 

 

breeds like glen omall terier and wheaton seem to have been over taken by the irish staf or wiorking pit . evn bull grey honds.

 

surly it would be posible to work on line breeding to achieve a working type again similar to the rillington bedlington which to my mind is a lakie or paterdale hybred line bred to a type..

 

this bought about by the fact that i love digging with terriers but have done very little of it . i dont have time or the permission either . but happily ratt and rabbit all day . i have worked a few terriers on the lamp and just generaly enjoy there company ..

but the big drw back i for me that the little fookers go to ground and as i stated thats not for me any more. so a larger game dog that can do the biss on any thing any where apart from below gound would be dead usefull to me and a few lads a mes about with.

 

i lealy love irish terrier and read some about them and for my needs would be perfect ..

 

if there is no working type left i would love to try to recreate one of sorts using lakie blood ..

has any body got a view point on this and or baybe knows of a line allready about that can do the biss..

 

all the best midnight

[celt 1]

midnight

there are some decent wheaten lines still around and people have told me glen of imaals that can do a job too ( i have not seen any)

 

I would forget about trying to recreate working abilitys in breeds where it has gone and concentrate on keeping the working blood going in those left.

 

Celt

[matulkoh 66]

hello fellas i sure you wont like me taking up space on here that a good digging post might of used , but , i know most of you know your stuf and would have an opinion on what the state of afairs is ..

 

 

what happened to working terriers of old ?

breeds like the "glenomall" "the irish" the "welsh" "kerry blue " etc etc

 

i know most are to big for digging work , and that the kennel club f****d up the breeding so that they are lookers not workers but why did they fall from favor . ?

 

 

breeds like glen omall terier and wheaton seem to have been over taken by the irish staf or wiorking pit . evn bull grey honds.

 

surly it would be posible to work on line breeding to achieve a working type again similar to the rillington bedlington which to my mind is a lakie or paterdale hybred line bred to a type..

 

this bought about by the fact that i love digging with terriers but have done very little of it . i dont have time or the permission either . but happily ratt and rabbit all day .  i have worked a few terriers on the lamp and just generaly enjoy there company ..

but the big drw back i for me that the little fookers go to ground and as i stated thats not for me any more. so a larger game dog that can do the biss on any thing any where apart from below gound would be dead usefull to me and a few lads a mes about with.

 

i lealy love irish terrier and read some about them and for my needs would be perfect ..

 

if there is no working type left i would love to try to recreate one of sorts using lakie blood ..

has any body got a view point on this and or baybe knows of a line allready about that can do the biss..

 

all the best midnight

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hi [bANNED TEXT] y right, but there are still workin, irish for boar hunting and welsh still use for digging, but not in uk, they got great patts and lakies and hybreds so they are not force to use and recreate old breeds, problem of glen of imal terrier is the he was a specialist for badgers(now diggin them is forbidden), able to kill them, he is too huge for fox diggin, so probably there is no place for him as a workin dog. please corect me if i m not right about glens

[midnight 657]

you could be righjt there celt ..

[PBurns 9]

A bit on old and new breeds:

 

>> http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2005/...nting-dogs.html

 

>> http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2005/...ier-breeds.html

 

 

 

Patrick

[midnight 657]

i argre with you guys about working ability of modern types .

carreg mate just chill abit mate i already said that im not able to work terriers "proper" thus the questions ..

i duno if i read it rong mate im sorry if i did , but it sorta came acroos like you where trying to belittel me there mate .

again sorry if you want .. (i hate forums they allways seem to bring out the worst in folk)

 

i know rabbiting int alot of folks idea of a good day out with the doys but i do like it and there is alot that do. but ratting has goto be evryones idea of a good laugh it seems to bring out a real buss for any body that dooes it old or young..

the other day we went out and the hole farm was helping after an hour farm maniger the lot ...

 

i know glen imals and weatons would be over kill with that game and the same for bushing im sure .

 

may be the threads a waist of time and i should move on like terreir breeds have and consentrait on the working breeds we have as popsted above..

[Guest knocavoeboy]

there are still working kerry blue terreirs a freind of mine was just out for a day with another fella and he had a litter of 3/4 bred that were all bought already and the straight half dog that sired them was there and was supposed to be an impressive animal. glen of imal are contoversial terriers and there have been rows over there mere mention. plentyo f whaetons around and lurcher hybrids and one or tow irish terreirs i know of and a few lurchers bred from them.

[forest of dean redneck 11,474]

i once thought of a glen of immal terrier when i typed it in the search engine a breeder in europe came up, they fed the barf diet .dogs looked ok but i dont think they work.it pays to keep your eyes open when driving in rural backwaters i once went and bought a kelly kettle off someone deep in north dorset and one of the dogs to meet me at gate was a irish terrier.they said it was a good guard dog and i think it also deterred rats and fox from the poultry.alot of probs is the prices dogs fetch ,the fanciers paying inflated prices have pushed them out of reach of working dog men whos gonna pay 500 upwards when they can be killed/injured.the people that still have the breeds are keeping quiet and are starting to cross breed as suitable working stock vanish.

[midnight 657]

.alot of probs is the prices dogs fetch ,the fanciers paying inflated prices have pushed them out of reach of working dog men whos gonna pay 500 upwards when they can be killed/injured.the people that still have the breeds are keeping quiet and are starting to cross breed as suitable working stock vanish.

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do ay know iwas just out with the bitch having a look about and the same thought came to me how the fook are you gona get an irish with out paying like you say £500 for it and if i do pay cont money for it and its shit or gets killed etc what then ?

duno it needs some thought.

 

i have some good old pics from old dog books i will scan thm and post if i can .

[Guest oneredtrim]

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[vincy 3]

i used to have a friend from. cork or middleton who used to breed some good weatons i have'nt seen him for years he used to come to llandeilo game fair

[midnight 657]

intresting what you say about the irish x whippets as i had thought of it years ago . or even the paterdale x greyhound .

why not do it as mostthe bedlington x lurchers out there come from none working bedlintons im sure ..

duno about the weaton x lurcher im sure there a1 workers but you have to admit they look terrible .

 

of topic here but the same thing has crossed my mind before with boxer cros greyhound as our family has had boxers years and they will make a good workinmg dog , with the germans using them for cattel work and proper guard work .. even the boar lads use them for pig work and alot seem to have a boxer cross.

to my mind you would get a better bite than a pit cros cos of the shorter length of the mussel giving you a naturaly stonger bite.

the physical dimentions of a boxer lend them selfs to a lurcher build and size as well this is also the case with irish terriers and whippets ...

 

the problem with all these crosses is selling the exta pups you enevitably get from litters as i know well from my first cross bull whippets i did a year or so back .. in the end i had to give them away.

[Guest oneredtrim]

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Edited January 21, 2008 by oneredtrim

[midnight 657]

"wascor" your a lead eh ??

 

i thought the poodle cros had bin done with about % of the bedlington blood out there ?

 

i see where you are coming from and it is fun to poke fun at others thoughts and ideas , we had a good old laugh at you remark and took it for what it is..

 

i got ragged by two pits that where pure game bred , they got at it in a kennel fight a year or so back.. one got me on the arm and the other got my fingers . i was lucky as i had 2 sweat shirts on and a waxed jacket . but the dogs teath still penitrated the coat. the other dog only got a light grip of my fingers but managed to skin them out.

yeah i was realy pleased it was a pure bred pit that got me ha ha what fun..

 

the thing that i dont understand is that most "pit" cross bull lurchers are not true game bred pits . i have spent time with seriouse pit men and also been around litter and many mature dogs . and i dont see any reseblance to true game bred dogs when i look at the dogs used in manny lurcher matings . they are look alikes with alot of stafford and americn bull dog in them ..

some of the best look a likes we have seen where just boxer cros staffords . they seem to have a level bite and a good athletic build but come in at good shoulder hights .. totaly unlike true game bred pits that are small light framed dogs ..

 

 

again so why not use a boxer they have been proved in germnany in shutzhound and they are a proferd use as gueard dog there.

many kennels in the uk have good german import srock and blood lines , so it would not be that hard to find a stud with a good pedigree for bite work..

i do agree with what your saying about kc rubbish as i would not be keen to use just any dog . but having said that i have worked lightly admittedly staffords a boxers both kc over the years ..

 

the same can be said about the running dog elimant in the mix of all lurchers how many people realy get a good runniong dog and how many use what they can get or have been given out the ad mag?

 

it does matter as fetility can be poor along with weak bone and over muscle issues . runnming dogs are bred for the perpose of beating other dogs in races not alot else counts so a hole host of other problems occure . bear in mind ould you use a dog that did not prove iits self in its arena to breed from ? or would it not matter as you are out crossing any way ?..

 

breeding workers to workers isnt garenteed but its the only thing we got to go on so surly it would be a top priority to get the best you can before starting any breeding progect ...

 

just a thought.

[Stabs 2]

.. totaly unlike true game bred pits that are small light framed dogs ..

 

 

Not always the case Midnight. They come in all different sizes and packages and gameness has nothing to do with size at all. There's been some big old game dogs in this country and there still are. You've obviously seen some crosses, be they AmBull/Staffs or whatever, but there's dogs on here that have been bred down from some very good game dogs and the boys are well aware of their capabilites.

 

I've seen some decent boxer crosses in Australia and they seemed to do the job so in no way am I knocking boxers.

 

It seems to me that there's always a steady stream of people wanting the next elusive, slightly unusual type of dog, something a bit different from the crowd and that's fair enough. If you've got time and space then why not? It's no-ones business to tell you what you must do. But for the job the bull cross do, do you really think a Boxer would be an improvement? I can't see it myself. I labour under the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" rule, and if there are dogs out there who are doing the job you have in mind for your dog, then why take a chance on a theory? If you're doing the breeding yourself then best of luck.