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the first pic is of a small, very dark female caught by my slick stag gyp "Timex" and her year old pup "Saker", his first time helping.

The second pic is of a good large male coyote. I was hunting with a pair of brothers who had some nice young white pups. We spotted this male about 3/8 of a mile out, snuck up to about a hundred yards and slipped my Timex gyp and my big shaggy male(not in the pics) along with the boys young pups. They lined him out5 and took him over a pond and he made it thru a tight fence. My shag male didn't fence, was acting stupid. The black slick sailed the fence and the two pups made it in time to help Timex hold him down. The pups acted great, I was proud of Timex who was a gift a couple years ago from a good friend. If dogs don't fence they can't catch around here.

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Badger, i will buy that black gyp off you...$10...final offer!..lol.

Nice pics mate...shes some tool...put me down for a pup from "Dutch X Timex"...i will even let you stroke some real dogs when you get to Ely!... :11:

Lets hope Timex has passed some of her abilitys to Tor eh!?..

All the best,..

Kye,..

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exellent mate,the dogs look like greyhounds whats the exact make up of them? :good:

 

These dogs are all just coyote bred staghounds, for lack of a better name. They come slick or shaggy in the same litters, no real difference in the dogs. They have been bred best to best for decades if not a hundred years to catch and kill coyotes and wolves, with whatever crosses were thought to help along the way, ie. old fashioned wolfhound and deer hound, greyhound, a little shot of pitdog or airedale, etc.

Whatever worked was used, whatever didn't (couldn't or wouldn't) was culled, that simple. The black gyp has pitdog top and bottom, but has been bred for speed and ability to finish. You can't see the bulldog except the way she acts and the slight cheek bulge. Her son in the first picture is a broken haired old style looking wolfdog, just about a year old. I hope he is even half the dog his dam or sire is (I don't own the sire, he is the finest running dog i have ever seen in 25 years, a complete package).

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could a coyote and a dog mate naturally...

sure, I have seen some

 

 

...how close related are they...

Same number of chromosomes i believe, their offspring are fertile, not like mules

 

...could a coyote kill a dog, lurcher sized...

If a 40 pound coyote could kill a seventy to eighty five pound dog, I don't think I would have wanted him anyways,lol

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so a coyote is more like a dog than a fox is. so would it be fair to say that when a dog catches up with a coyote its more like a dog fight than a kill as we are used to with foxes, they put up a scrap but generally its over almost instant with an experienced dog. on this im surprised that bull terrier crosses are not more popular for the bite power alone

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so a coyote is more like a dog than a fox....

No, a coyote is a small WOLF, not a big fox or hairy dog.

Coyotes are much faster and a whole lot tougher than red fox, although they don't twist and turn and dodge as well as fox. bull x's have been made and then graded back out to fast dogs, but there are plenty of tough staghounds to breed to without losing so much speed. The dogs have to be FAST enough to catch them or it doesn't matter how tough they are, lol

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