To John B , two questions ? ?

[stephen58 1]

Hi John B , first question ? how much is your book going to cost with p & p ? secondly have you tried the Larson trap with a mirror in , which is sold by a firm just up the road from you ,do they work ? or is it just a gimmick ? not that I have trouble in catching corvids , but sometimes I wish I could accelarate the trapping of call~birds , any other members input on this matter in using mirrors in there Larson traps would be appriecated best regards Steve

[john b 38]

Hi Steve

 

You had me worried then - didn't know what you were going to ask.

 

Anyway at the moment I'm planning a cover price of about £15 plus p&p of £2 to £3. I can't be sure of the weight until it's printed. Once I've got a couple of proof copies I'm going to test that price with a few people - see what they think. Seeing as the GCT sell a Larsen plan for a fiver I think it's about right.

I might also try and work out some sort of discount for THL members who've make a noticeable contribution tot the site (I mean content not donations).

 

As for the mirror trap I've no experience of it. I've used plastic decoys in the past but without any success but maybe the mirror provides a bit of reflected movement. Personally I think that anything rely on visual stimulus alone is going to be weak and unreliable - which is also a problem with the 'egg' bait. In my experience any catches I have follow about ten or twenty minutes of noisy argument between my call bird and the challenger sat in a nearby tree.

[Guest JohnGalway]

Any more info on the book JB, what's in it etc. Am curious now

[john b 38]

click on the pic in my signature John

[Guest JohnGalway]

I'll have a copy of that please JB, when it's ready mate

[john b 38]

that the idea/principle works on the idea that the corvid see,s it image in the mirror and thinks that it,s got an intruder in it,s territory and enters the trap

 

yes that's the principle, but they have to get down there to see it first.

 

but I think that the idea will only work on a side entry trap !!

 

Absolutely agree. The ones you're on about are a ground entry trap by the look of them.

[macsas 0]

Hi John B , first question ? how much is your book going to cost with p & p ? secondly have you tried the Larson trap with a mirror in , which is sold by a firm just up the road from you ,do they work ? or is it just a gimmick ? not that I have trouble in catching corvids , but sometimes I wish I could accelarate the trapping of call~birds , any other members input on this matter in using mirrors in there Larson traps would be appriecated best regards Steve

 

 

Hi here's a quick way to catch your initial call bird. Set your Larsen and put a load of litter, chip shop wrappers, empty food cans around your trap. Inside put a slice of bread. The modern magpie knows all about scavenging laybys and road verges and you'll be amazed at how quick it'll work. I've used this method in my back garden and caught very quickly. Hope this helps

[john b 38]

love your idea about the book can not wait !!

 

Well it took a bit longer that I thought, but it'sgoing through the print proof stage and should be on the shelves in a couple of weeks. You can pre-order a copy though now if you want. I put a topic up in For Sale

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...mp;#entry526079

[Guest friedrice]

Hi Steve

 

You had me worried then - didn't know what you were going to ask.

 

Anyway at the moment I'm planning a cover price of about £15 plus p&p of £2 to £3. I can't be sure of the weight until it's printed. Once I've got a couple of proof copies I'm going to test that price with a few people - see what they think. Seeing as the GCT sell a Larsen plan for a fiver I think it's about right.

I might also try and work out some sort of discount for THL members who've make a noticeable contribution tot the site (I mean content not donations).

 

As for the mirror trap I've no experience of it. I've used plastic decoys in the past but without any success but maybe the mirror provides a bit of reflected movement. Personally I think that anything rely on visual stimulus alone is going to be weak and unreliable - which is also a problem with the 'egg' bait. In my experience any catches I have follow about ten or twenty minutes of noisy argument between my call bird and the challenger sat in a nearby tree.

hi john, you can download plans o all the traps in your look off the internet if you search for them.and to be honest mate you can get far better traps these days.i seen a bit of your book on here somewhere with a hasel trap by lloyed of glouster. well that trap can also be found on you tube if you look.

it looks like a lot of money to spend on a book when you can get it all off line,dont you think. john have you experiance with traps and trapping ??

or are you good at drawing them only

[john b 38]

hi john, you can download plans o all the traps in your look off the internet if you search for them.and to be honest mate you can get far better traps these days.i seen a bit of your book on here somewhere with a hasel trap by lloyed of glouster. well that trap can also be found on you tube if you look.

it looks like a lot of money to spend on a book when you can get it all off line,dont you think. john have you experiance with traps and trapping ??

or are you good at drawing them only

 

Blimey FR - what's upset you ?

 

You're quite right that you can download all sorts of plans and in fact there are lots on here already. You'll notice that I've not gone round hiding any of that or deleting my own previous contributions either.

The fact is that most of the plans that are available are fairly high level - diagrams, general measurements etc but if you've got skills as a chippy then quite buildable. What I've tried to do is take it a level further and give people step by step instructions along with cutting lists and stage by stage diagrams. Some of these traps I've never been able to find plans for on line but maybe you're better at looking than I am.

 

Far better traps ? better trap for magpies than a Larsen ? Better traps for crows than a ladder ? It sounds to me like you know a lot more than I do. If you get a chance can you put a topic up on the traps your thinking of because I don't remember them being discussed in this section before. It sounds like we're really letting people down on that.

 

Lloyds trap isn't in the book but it is on the website, with his permission and credited to him. It's in the 'other traps you can make' section.

 

Is £15 a lot ? I s'pose it's all relative. Same cost as a good takeout, 4 packs of fags or a few pints.

 

At the end of the day I am not twisting anyone's arm to buy this - and if it's crap how many copies do you think I'm going to be able to sell before someone is posting on here about it ?

 

And I'm pleased you think I'm good at drawing them - thanks for that at least.

 

 

 

[Guest friedrice]

hi john, you can download plans o all the traps in your look off the internet if you search for them.and to be honest mate you can get far better traps these days.i seen a bit of your book on here somewhere with a hasel trap by lloyed of glouster. well that trap can also be found on you tube if you look.

it looks like a lot of money to spend on a book when you can get it all off line,dont you think. john have you experiance with traps and trapping ??

or are you good at drawing them only

 

Blimey FR - what's upset you ?

 

You're quite right that you can download all sorts of plans and in fact there are lots on here already. You'll notice that I've not gone round hiding any of that or deleting my own previous contributions either.

The fact is that most of the plans that are available are fairly high level - diagrams, general measurements etc but if you've got skills as a chippy then quite buildable. What I've tried to do is take it a level further and give people step by step instructions along with cutting lists and stage by stage diagrams. Some of these traps I've never been able to find plans for on line but maybe you're better at looking than I am.

 

Far better traps ? better trap for magpies than a Larsen ? Better traps for crows than a ladder ? It sounds to me like you know a lot more than I do. If you get a chance can you put a topic up on the traps your thinking of because I don't remember them being discussed in this section before. It sounds like we're really letting people down on that.

 

Lloyds trap isn't in the book but it is on the website, with his permission and credited to him. It's in the 'other traps you can make' section.

 

Is £15 a lot ? I s'pose it's all relative. Same cost as a good takeout, 4 packs of fags or a few pints.

 

At the end of the day I am not twisting anyone's arm to buy this - and if it's crap how many copies do you think I'm going to be able to sell before someone is posting on here about it ?

 

And I'm pleased you think I'm good at drawing them - thanks for that at least.

 

 

 

sorry john its came out the wrong way again

me and my big mouth sorry

[J Darcy 5,871]

Well i got the book and its the ideal manuscript for anyone who likes to make , or tinker with, traps of various sorts. I must say, its very thorough and all the measurments are precisely featured......a top buy for anyone into traps and trapping.....

 

Good hunting JD

[Guest friedrice]

john can i have one to.

it'l be good reading anyway.

is there a trap in there somewhere for wild boar john ?. went down to monmouth yesterday to see my gran as you do,and went for a walk in the wood above he home.well saying walk i walked and pushed her in her chair. all nice untill a sow and about ten young ones crossed in front of us at about

70yrds away. . and they say they are shy "bullshit " the sow stopped on the forrestry track, seen us and charged for about 30 yards.

my gran got upset over that, poor old girl and i had to take her home. she likes the rabbits,birds and the squirrels but them pigs upset her.

so is there a pig trap in your book john ar have you got any plans for one.i dont want to see my gran upset like that again

[Holdaway 2]

A fox type trap will catch a boar, but whether it would hold one I'm not sure.

[zig zag wanderer 0]

It wouldn't look like a fox cage for very long that's for sure. It would soon take on the shape of a wild boar.