CUTTING DOWN PROTEIN

[Guest ripstop]

How would you go about cutting your dogs protein intake in the summer months if your dogs are only fed on a raw diet. I would just substitute the amount of meat with a slow releasing carb like brown bread or whole wheat pasta, maybe a few veggies if possible, anybody any views or other ways ie tricks so that you dog still benefits and still keeps muscle, vitamins, etc, cheers Rip.

[kozzi 0]

"There is no known minimum dietary carbohydrate requirement for either the dog or the cat. Based on investigations in the dog and with other species it is likely that dogs and cats can be maintained without carbohydrates if the diet supplies enough fat or protein from which the metabolic requirement for glucose is derived."

Feed the same, simply cut down the amount you feed, after all, it won't need as much enrgy if he isn't working as much.

A good trick to keep weight off greedy dogs is to feed them cabbage, it fills them up but delivers them very few calories. I still feed mine the same as variety keeps them healthy but just knock down the amount. Instead of 1 and a half pounds of tripe and two chicken carcasses, my bitch will get 1 pound of tripe and one carcass. She will certainly miss the amounts it her head but the weather won't strip her body as much.

[Guest ripstop]

"There is no known minimum dietary carbohydrate requirement for either the dog or the cat. Based on investigations in the dog and with other species it is likely that dogs and cats can be maintained without carbohydrates if the diet supplies enough fat or protein from which the metabolic requirement for glucose is derived."

Feed the same, simply cut down the amount you feed, after all, it won't need as much enrgy if he isn't working as much.

A good trick to keep weight off greedy dogs is to feed them cabbage, it fills them up but delivers them very few calories. I still feed mine the same as variety keeps them healthy but just knock down the amount. Instead of 1 and a half pounds of tripe and two chicken carcasses, my bitch will get 1 pound of tripe and one carcass. She will certainly miss the amounts it her head but the weather won't strip her body as much.

 

Good way to look at it, just common sense really, the pasta or bread was sort of leaning to the mind thing, making them think they are full if you know what i mean.

[sandymere 8,263]

Ripstop

Protein and carbs have about the same calories so changing one for the other won't make much of a difference. The fat portion of the diet carries higher calorie value so cutting down on the fat a little can have a bigger effect.

 

Kozzi

this is an area i have an interest in and would keen to read any research you have re "Based on investigations in the dog and with other species it is likely that dogs and cats can be maintained without carbohydrates if the diet supplies enough fat or protein from which the metabolic requirement for glucose is derived." (Kozzi 08)

thanks sandy.

[Guest ripstop]

Cheers for that Sandymere, like you say they are roughly the same, but am i right in thinking that protein burns 1.5 times as much of itself in fat, i know humans have a different make up to dogs, but this happens to be relatively true for humans, so thought might be similar for dogs, whereas replacing some of the protein with carbs, you will keep some of the weight on without the dogs bouncing off the walls, and cutting up too easily during the hot period, im probably a mile off, but can you see where im coming from.

[sandymere 8,263]

i think i'm with you Ripstop . A lot of the protein sources that we use ie meat will contain a high percentage of fat and so by cutting down the meat protein you will also cut down on the fat. This is especially true with butchers waste meat/pet mince etc when compared to wild meat ie rabbits, basically domestic stock have unaturally high fat contents. So increaseing the carbs will have an indirect result because it will cut some fat. Perhaps increasing the carbs and going for leaner protein sources might do the trick.

[kozzi 0]

Feed more Lamb instead of chicken as the lamb has less "bouncey" protein, I find it doesn't make them as high as chicken as they are more natually fed.

Sandy, just bang "carbohydrates" in to Google and have a trawl. That's where I got that paragraph!!

[Guest ripstop]

Feed more Lamb instead of chicken as the lamb has less "bouncey" protein, I find it doesn't make them as high as chicken as they are more natually fed.

Sandy, just bang "carbohydrates" in to Google and have a trawl. That's where I got that paragraph!!

 

By Kozzi youre a clever bugger pleased you told me about the bouncy protein, as it happens ive just been to my butchers to get some mince bones, ribs etc, no mince and this is at 10.30 am, so got his last 4 ribs and they are f*****g massive he charges 40p per rib, can cut them into 3 and that keeps the terriers good and a third of a pound of mince to round off hes started doing my mince at 5lb for 1 quid, all clean with a bit of fat in it, all fresh, no frozen, and prepared that day, just a mixture of chicken beef lamb and hearts liver all minced, mixed the seperated, all the dogs look good, and twice a week they get either chicken wings or chicken drumsticks. Thanks for your input, cheers Rip.

[whin 463]

i feed the a good dreid food and when i was near edinburgh brown bread veg and meat cheeks rabbits veni offal etc , in winter i feed rabbs veni offal and pasta , good quaulity dreid food, thye get alot of fish in summer with dreid meal soaked in the fish gravy all in all i cut the meat down they all do well, for 8 months i had as much meat as i wanted but the seem dreid up but ive got some were else now cheers at moment they are on dreid food fish oil and rabbs

[kozzi 0]

What you could do is ask your butcher for some lites. We get them minced and mix them with tripe or chicken, whatever, or even on their own. Lungs only have about 16% protein and about 3% fat so they are just what you are looking for.

Where in the country are you Rip? I run a small dog food company but could put you onto someone if you live smiles away?

All the best, Scott