midnight 657 Posted December 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 i know what you mean ant but you have 2 halfs of him with you now.. i will tell you somthing thaty might help you enter them pups more to bite back quarry .. the sire floyd in the avi pic was slow to start graft , this was put down to his nature (as he realy is a steady and gentil dog) but at 18 months he changed and was grafting to a extream level.. his sister was extensivly tested in irland and found to be very hard if not to hard . she still works with terreires now and then but is seen as very valuble as a brood bitch. i have seen um both go a bit and they are amasing. im convinced that floyd has no pain neves in him or they dont work as he is a mass of scarrs. last year he was in a terrible kennel fight with 2 pure scot american bull dogs , they pulled him to bits . i had him at my place for 3 weeks and he had 47 stapel holding him togeather . after loads of anti inflamitorys and antibiotics he heald with no lasting damage apart from the scar ... he truly is amasing... one more thing as you know i had to sell all the pups due to personal reasons , now im pulling my hair out cos i dont have one to work and i have loads of permission to do as i please ... im convinced the way they are bred that they WILL be the oltimate working dog . maybe not for all of you guys but defo for what i do . all the best to you all and a happy new year Quote Link to post
midnight 657 Posted December 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 yeah it is and im sure i will get tones of sh1t over it but as i said maybe not for you all but for my needs they will... im not a big head realy i just put loads of energy into finding the right dog for ther job and i worked the arse of the bitch for a few years she never et me down.. i was looking for a balance between the two halfs that would comploment each other with out compromise of either half. ie speed we knew they would have as the stud is true bred with baggs of speed and agility . also blessed with brains to match. (cant realy go into that but needles to say in a working sence aswell as just lateral thought) bottel ; the bitch was a brave littel thing happy to ratt and help with fox . but also do double figures of rabbit most live to hand.. size wise we know the sire would through larger pups than himself and like wise of ther bitch... i could bore you and mu self with this for ages and reading it back i nearly fell aslweep. so i will stop there .. as i posted the bet bitch of the litter went to milton keens and is as far as i know still grafting every week . shes proven her spped and bottel at an early stage so can only improve on that.. all the best matt Quote Link to post
midnight 657 Posted December 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 ok lads i know what your saying but your missing what im trying to point out , which is that i bred them for my own use and as things somtimes happen it dint work out that i could keep one for my self .. its your right to "put me in my place" and all that but . i was breeding them for a perpose and it did work . i know full well that every pup is differant and all that as well and its full visable in the 2 brothers ant g has in turns of build. im glad we all dont see the world throught the same eyes . and i know mine might be way of base for most tastes .. at the end of the day i had my eye on 2 pups out the litter a dog and a bitch ant has the dog (the black un) and the other went to milton. the bitch has and is doing all the things i wanted her to do and ant g's lads dog is coming on nicly. and im sure will be a super star.. im defo looking to put one of his dogs back to this bitch i have if things work out well .. and again it will be a litter that im breeding for my own use with a few extras for joe puplic .. we have people lined up for pups from this mating allready. one guy has worked a bull whippet bitch for 12 years now she is past it but can still do a mornings ferreting .. im told she has done pritty much what ever has turned up over the years and in her prime was a good fox dog single handed and with pups in toe learnig.. again im glad we can all have differant opinions of lurcher breeding and the merits or pit falls of varing type . as we would not have some of the colourfull types we now do.. Quote Link to post
Guest grubygrafter Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 ultimate is a powerfull word. midnight what are the pups to specialize at. as you wont find an ultimate allrounder. are they bred for ferreting.just interested as you speak so highly about this breeding cs Quote Link to post
midnight 657 Posted December 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 These dogs were bred to make us happy every time we walked into a field day or night to tackle any quarry that might turn up a true allrounder, also to have a temperment which made them exellent loyal family friends. all the best midnight's wife... Quote Link to post
TOMO 26,682 Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 ok lads i know what your saying but your missing what im trying to point out , which is that i bred them for my own use and as things somtimes happen it dint work out that i could keep one for my self .. its your right to "put me in my place" and all that but . i was breeding them for a perpose and it did work . i know full well that every pup is differant and all that as well and its full visable in the 2 brothers ant g has in turns of build. im going to kick myself geting involved in this. you say you were breeding them for a purpose and it did work. how do you know if it worked when you only no of two pups Quote Link to post
midnight 657 Posted December 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 i know of 5 pus in total oen bitch went back to the ownwer of the stud dog for there lad she turned out racie that lad lost intrest and sold her she had just started to work. 1 dog pup went to a friend of the family its not a working home but he does kill bits and bob out with the hors so more a test of trainablity and nature with a family type existance. 2 ant g has . we know where they are at. and the pick bitch that went to milton as said about 4 times before . shes doing the biss and out did her self when last i talked to the owner . sadly he changed his mobile number and i lost touch just befor x mass. again they hold all the style looks and ability i wanted in them they are the size we hoped for . there nature sems to be of the highest calibar . and im happy with them at this age and the way they are shaping up.. so if i only set out to achive these goals and a few more then i would say its a success . how can it be better than that if they guy that put the effort in to creationg them and the time it took to do this and the loss of cash it took etc is happy with them , and might i put again that they where only ever bred for my use and with extas for those with enough open mind to try them . then it was a good execise and worked ... the only and it sems the only draw bqack so far is that i DONT have one then im the only one who has lost out.. cant realy say farer than that i think.. all the best ps i never pushed these pups on folks and i would never sell any pup to somone that dint realy want it . i would never do that . so if i put an advert out in a publication and folk ring up and are keen to see and own one then thats fine its not like im saying they will eve be as big a suckses as the bull greyhound as im sure they wont in mannys eyes they are just right for me and a small percentage of the working dog comunity in the uk. thats all i never wanted an argment over this and never expected such alot of atack over such a small topic as this i was mearly tryiong to find owners of the pups to reastblish contact and find how they where going on.. Quote Link to post
stollen 0 Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 i know of 5 pus in total oen bitch went back to the ownwer of the stud dog for there lad she turned out racie that lad lost intrest and sold her she had just started to work. 1 dog pup went to a friend of the family its not a working home but he does kill bits and bob out with the hors so more a test of trainablity and nature with a family type existance. 2 ant g has . we know where they are at. and the pick bitch that went to milton as said about 4 times before . shes doing the biss and out did her self when last i talked to the owner . sadly he changed his mobile number and i lost touch just befor x mass. again they hold all the style looks and ability i wanted in them they are the size we hoped for . there nature sems to be of the highest calibar . and im happy with them at this age and the way they are shaping up.. so if i only set out to achive these goals and a few more then i would say its a success . how can it be better than that if they guy that put the effort in to creationg them and the time it took to do this and the loss of cash it took etc is happy with them , and might i put again that they where only ever bred for my use and with extas for those with enough open mind to try them . then it was a good execise and worked ... the only and it sems the only draw bqack so far is that i DONT have one then im the only one who has lost out.. cant realy say farer than that i think.. all the best ps i never pushed these pups on folks and i would never sell any pup to somone that dint realy want it . i would never do that . so if i put an advert out in a publication and folk ring up and are keen to see and own one then thats fine its not like im saying they will eve be as big a suckses as the bull greyhound as im sure they wont in mannys eyes they are just right for me and a small percentage of the working dog comunity in the uk. thats all i never wanted an argment over this and never expected such alot of atack over such a small topic as this i was mearly tryiong to find owners of the pups to reastblish contact and find how they where going on.. Alright mate just wonderd what the stud dog was on the bull whippets they look a handy dog thanks Quote Link to post
midnight 657 Posted January 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 hes the dog in my aviator . irish import jeep red boy dog owned bya mate of mine.. dont realy want to say much more mate. all the best matt Quote Link to post
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