names of lines

[Guest pip]

pip and some lads are missing my point. im not saying breeding from a line is bad, i know lads that have bred off the same line for years. but what im saying is there is too much emphasis on the name of this line and that. terriers should only be judged on what it does in the ground. i'd breed off a dog of unkown origon once it does its job well underground. ultimately you should judge a dog at his work not who bred him or what line he's off.

well said mate i am with u with this

(i'd breed off a dog of unkown origon once it does its job well) that worker to worker to me,i don't give a f**k if they

have bred off the same line for years who realy cares as long as it works well.cheers sounder

WELL LADS EVRYONE KNOWS THE IRISH ARE THE BEST AT FIGHTING SO ILL NOT AGREE

 

SERIOUSELY LADS THERES LADS ON HERE AND OTHERS I KNOW AND MYSELF INCLUDED AND I THINK THEY D ALL DISAGREE.BREEDING IS EVERYTHING,HISTORY IS EVERYTHING.OK IF YOUR JUST ARSING ABOUT LOOKING THE ODD ANIMAL FOR BOLTING OR YOU DON T MIND DOUBLING UP THEN SURELY EXPERIMENT, BUT FOR ANYONE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE OF TERRIERS FOR THEMSELVES FOR OTHERS OR ARE INTERESTED IN ANY SORT OF SERIOUS TESTING OF WORKING QUALITIES THEN YOUR THEORY COULD NT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.OF COURSE PEOPLE THROW NAMES ABOUT WILLY NILLY BUT IN IRELAND THERE ARE LINES OF DOGS AND PEOPLE BREEDING LINES OF DOGS SOME BIG NAMES SOME NOT AND THEIR DOGS HAVE BEEN SELECTED FROM THE BEST STOCK SEEN WORKING.WORKED FOR YEARS,TESTED,PEDS RECORDED,BREEDING STUDIED,NOT TO SELL OR BLOW ABOUT BUT FOR FUTURE BREEDING PURPOSES TO ENSURE THEY KEEP PRODUCING WORKERS.

THE WAY TO GO IS THE BEST INDIVIDUALS OUT OF TIGHT BRED LINES X THE BEST INDIVIDUALS OUT OF TIGHT BRED LINES.

 

ONE OF THE BEST WORKING DOGS I SEEN NEVER PRODUCED A WORKING OFFSPRING,WHY? I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE THE BITCH HE WAS OUT OF WAS OF PED UNKNOWN?

 

YOU MIGHT BE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET AWAY WITH IT BUT % ARE YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE WILL GET BIT IN THE ARSE,SHIT STICKS!

WHY DO GREYHOUND MEN BULL MEN AND HOUND MEN ALL PAY SO MUCH ATTENTION TO PEDS IF ITS OF AS LITTLE IMPORTANCE AS YOUS MAKE OUT.

AND CHANCES ARE IF THE "WORKER"IS OUT OF A LONG LINE OF UNTESTED STOCK THEN WHEN THE PRESSURES ON HE LL NOT MAKE THE GRADE.JMHO

[Guest dee mac]

im with pip on this one. the more working lines you have in the make up of your dogs the better as history has a habit of repeating itself and that makes for more quality dogs on down the line.

[Guest pip]

OF COURSE THERES BEEN MONEY MEN HERE ALL THE WHILE TOO,ON THIS SITE AND OTHERS A LITTER OF PUPS WHERE ADVERTISED WITH A FALSE PED. OUT OF MY MATES DOG.

THE DOG THAT THE LIER SAID WAS THE SIRE NEVER PRODUCED A WORKER THOUGH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OK.A LAD THAT COMES ON HERE GOT ONE SENT TO ENGLAND AND BELIEVED THE LIER EVEN THOUGH HE HAD BEEN TOLD OTHERWISE,WHY?BECAUSE THE LIE WAS NICE, DOGS WHERE MORE FAMOUS THAN THE ACTUAL ONES USED.

PLONKERS PROBABLY BE AT PIGEONS NEXT

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

Lines do play an important part, it's only money men that shout about the line they have in their kennel, most decent terriermen that breed from proven stock and genuinely work their dogs will not say that their dogs are this line or that line but IMO will phrase it as Gould type or Nutall type. Only for genuine terriermen that do breed along lines where the genes have been proven generation after generation I think everybody would have sub standard terriers in their yard that would never make the grade. Thus in turn any further breeding off those dogs would produce pure shite and the knock on effect would continue. Too many guys out there breed from dogs that are not worth breeding from IMO and too many lads comming into the sport are being caught with dogs that are just not up to standard. IMO if good original bloodlines and genepools are not kept alive the standard of working ability in terriers will drop.

[Guest 10/22]

SURELY MATE BUT SOUNDER SEEMS TO THINK ITS JUST AS SIMPLE AS WORKER TO WORKER THERES LOTS OF FACTORS IN PLAY IS MY POINT.

 

 

thats why there is so much crap about

[liamdelaney 2,586]

Breed from stock unknown and nine times out ov ten u will end up with nothing.

[macker 5]

great topic to start whitser.

have to say i agree with pip on everything so far.

a few years ago we had two top class terriers

between us and dug to them three times a week.

bred them together and every one where usless.

not even looking like either parent.

but i do think some people get caught up

in their own lines of dogs breeding off

bad bitchs just because they are related in some way.

and are not willing to go outside their yard.

breeding off a long line of workers is the only

way to go i think but.even tough some of the best ones

i have seen have been once offs in a line.

most of the lads i know with decent terriers

more often than others have been usinig tried and

tested lines with many top class workers in their blood

fitness to is everything too i think

all the best

macker

[Guest whitser]

( i would rather a pup from two dogs i've dug too but didnt know their history)

 

 

If you dont know the history of the terriers your digging to, are you sure they or their parent have not been STOLEN. Its every one's responsibility to find out the true history of dogs. They all have a history and if it dont, theres something wrong.

 

Micks stolen dogs

when talk about history im talking about its lineage. not if its stolen or not.

[Guest whitser]

pip your missing the point of the post. that the emphesis with some is on the line and not the dog. when lads are asking what lines is he off instead of what can he do and how much has he done.thats where the problem is in my opinion. nothing wrong with lines and breeding off lines. but all breeding stock should be judged on what it does in the field and nothing else. every line out there has become diluted because lads didnt keep that in mind. judge the dog not the line.

[Guest whitser]

great topic to start whitser.

have to say i agree with pip on everything so far.

a few years ago we had two top class terriers

between us and dug to them three times a week.

bred them together and every one where usless.

not even looking like either parent.

but i do think some people get caught up

in their own lines of dogs breeding off

bad bitchs just because they are related in some way.

and are not willing to go outside their yard.

breeding off a long line of workers is the only

way to go i think but.even tough some of the best ones

i have seen have been once offs in a line.

most of the lads i know with decent terriers

more often than others have been usinig tried and

tested lines with many top class workers in their blood

fitness to is everything too i think

all the best

macker

whats the story mac? i think i know what dogs your talking about. and your right about fitness, i think its as important as anything else. but what im saying about lines is that they have become more important then the dogs them selves. as you say lads get caught up in this line and that. once lads keep their eye on whats important and thats what each dog's ability is, then lines will look after themselves. the reason lines have let themselves down is because whats happened is people have wanted to breed to a line instead of breeding to the best terriers available.

Edited April 15, 2008 by whitser

[Guest pip]

great topic to start whitser.

have to say i agree with pip on everything so far.

a few years ago we had two top class terriers

between us and dug to them three times a week.

bred them together and every one where usless.

not even looking like either parent.

but i do think some people get caught up

in their own lines of dogs breeding off

bad bitchs just because they are related in some way.

and are not willing to go outside their yard.

breeding off a long line of workers is the only

way to go i think but.even tough some of the best ones

i have seen have been once offs in a line.

most of the lads i know with decent terriers

more often than others have been usinig tried and

tested lines with many top class workers in their blood

fitness to is everything too i think

all the best

macker

whats the story mac? i think i know what dogs your talking about. and your right about fitness, i think its as important as anything else. but what im saying about lines is that they have become more important then the dogs them selves. as you say lads get caught up in this line and that. once lads keep their eye on whats important and thats what each dog's ability is, then lines will look after themselves. the reason lines have let themselves down is because whats happened is people have wanted to breed to a line instead of breeding to the best terriers available.

IM NOT MISSING THE POINT WHITSER ITS NOT ANY LINE IM TALKING ABOUT,ITS THE TRIED AND TESTED LINES.I KNOW A LAD WHO CAN TRACE HIS DOGS BACK TO 1920 OR SOMETHING HE RECKONS BUT I WOULD NT THANK HIM FOR A PUP,MOST GOOD LINES I KNOW OF ARE ONLY TRACEABLE 20 YEARS MAX,MY MATE IS STRUGGLING TO TRACE BREEDING OF HIS STUFF BEYOND WHAT HE S OWNED HIMSELF AND HE S ABOUT THE BEST KENNEL OF WORKERS IN THE NORTH ,IM NOT SAYING BREED OFF IT JUST BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO BIG DONG BLACK BILL,JUST AS LONG AS THE LINES THROWING HIGH % OF WORKERS AND CAN BE TRACED TO SOME DEGREE TO WORKERS.NOT LOOKERS,NOT PETS,AND NOT GOING ON THE STORIES OF KNOWN WAFFLERS.

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

KNOWN WAFFLERS!!! FCUKIN CLASS PIP.

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

KNOWN WAFFLERS,or those that tell storys of other mens digs and there dogs and show photos of other peoples hard graft.

 

I've seen and herad that before.

[macker 5]

my mate only got a service of

a faily good dog up north.

any of you northern lads

seen a dog called stretch work.

[Guest pip]

my mate only got a service of

a faily good dog up north.

any of you northern lads

seen a dog called stretch work.

TELL US WHAT AREA ROUGHLY ,TYPE OF DOG AND ILL ASK AROUND