names of lines

[Guest whitser]

is it just me or do lads from across the water seem pre occupied with the names of different lines etc..?

any lads i know who have terriers are bred worker to worker and no one gives a f**k what line its off or who bred its great grand sire. one of the first questions alot of lads ask when they like the look of a terrier on a post is what lines is it from? the only question that matters is does it work. or lads looking for terriers from this line and that.. i think theres too much envisis on the name of the line a terrier comes from with some people.

[Guest whitser]

all our dogs are bred worker to worker. and once you breed like that it dont matter what lines its from.

[Guest whitser]

yeah but what im saying is you mention nuttall gould etc... over here you dont here names of lines its just a working terrier and thats it.

[sounder 9]

yeah but what im saying is you mention nuttall gould etc... over here you dont here names of lines its just a working terrier and thats it.

true very true i mean real workers mate

[Guest pip]

Well i reckon if lads over here in Ireland dont wise up and concentrate a bit more on where the dog came from[lines]and whether its siblings are working then we re screwed for the future.The reason i think we ve neglected it is for years the big dogs where the sport and the earth dogs where a means to an end,i ve said before on here linebreeding in earth dogs in Ireland is rarely heard of apart from the odd exception worker to workers fine but its time we started taking tips from big dog breeders and hound men or we ll lose what we have.OMOKEEP IT INTHE FAMILY LADS. IF MORE OF US DON T START ATTEMPTING TO BREED STRONG FAMILY LINES THEN WHAT WE HAVE BE HARDER AND HARDER TO COME BY,THE DAYS OF BREEDING ANY OLD THING THAT WORKS OF THE STREET ,WITHOUT KNOWING ITS FAMILY HISTORY TO A SIMILAR PED UNKNOWN DOG IS THE WAY TO SEE THE WORKER OFF.THERE S TOO MANY SPORTS BEING BRED OFF.IN MY TOWN I KNOW OF ONE LAD BREEDS FOR LOOKS,ANOTHER BREEDS FOR MONEY ,ANOTHER WILL USE HIS DOGS OVER ANY OLD BITCH,AND ANOTHER HAS JUST BRED A LITTER OUT OF A 2 YEAR OLD NON WORKER TO A 10MONTH OLD PUP??????

 

I THINK WE NEED TO BE A BIT MORE SELECTIVE AND CAREFUL WHEN CHOOSING STUDS [LOOK INTO HIS FAMILY BACKROUND]AND DON T OVERLOOK THE BITCHES THEY ARE THE BAROMETER TO A LINE OF DOG I THINK AND ANY LADS I VE BEEN TALKING TO HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING GOOD WORKING BITCHES OF AN EXCEPTABLE SIZE.THE STORIES OF DOGS THAT ARE EXCELLANT IN THEMSELVES BUT DON T PRODUCE ARE TO COMMON.

IN FAIRNESS I KNOW OF QUITE A FEW WHO ARE WORKING HARD TO TEST AND PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR STOCK . JUST BECAUSE IT WORKS DOESN T MEAN ITS THE BEST FOR TAKING PUPS OF,I THINK THERES A FEW MORE FACTORS IN PLAY.I VE BEEN UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GO THROUGH TOO MANY DUFFERS,BRED OUT OF" WORKER TO WORKER."YOU DON T KNOW WHAT SHIT MIGHT APPEAR AND BITE YOU IN THE ARSE SOME DAY.

 

LOOK FORWARD TO SOME CYBER BULLYING

[sounder 9]

Well i reckon if lads over here in Ireland dont wise up and concentrate a bit more on where the dog came from[lines]and whether its siblings are working then we re screwed for the future.The reason i think we ve neglected it is for years the big dogs where the sport and the earth dogs where a means to an end,i ve said before on here linebreeding in earth dogs in Ireland is rarely heard of apart from the odd exception worker to workers fine but its time we started taking tips from big dog breeders and hound men or we ll lose what we have.OMOKEEP IT INTHE FAMILY LADS. IF MORE OF US DON T START ATTEMPTING TO BREED STRONG FAMILY LINES THEN WHAT WE HAVE BE HARDER AND HARDER TO COME BY,THE DAYS OF BREEDING ANY OLD THING THAT WORKS OF THE STREET ,WITHOUT KNOWING ITS FAMILY HISTORY TO A SIMILAR PED UNKNOWN DOG IS THE WAY TO SEE THE WORKER OFF.THERE S TOO MANY SPORTS BEING BRED OFF.IN MY TOWN I KNOW OF ONE LAD BREEDS FOR LOOKS,ANOTHER BREEDS FOR MONEY ,ANOTHER WILL USE HIS DOGS OVER ANY OLD BITCH,AND ANOTHER HAS JUST BRED A LITTER OUT OF A 2 YEAR OLD NON WORKER TO A 10MONTH OLD PUP??????

 

I THINK WE NEED TO BE A BIT MORE SELECTIVE AND CAREFUL WHEN CHOOSING STUDS [LOOK INTO HIS FAMILY BACKROUND]AND DON T OVERLOOK THE BITCHES THEY ARE THE BAROMETER TO A LINE OF DOG I THINK AND ANY LADS I VE BEEN TALKING TO HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING GOOD WORKING BITCHES OF AN EXCEPTABLE SIZE.THE STORIES OF DOGS THAT ARE EXCELLANT IN THEMSELVES BUT DON T PRODUCE ARE TO COMMON.

IN FAIRNESS I KNOW OF QUITE A FEW WHO ARE WORKING HARD TO TEST AND PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR STOCK . JUST BECAUSE IT WORKS DOESN T MEAN ITS THE BEST FOR TAKING PUPS OF,I THINK THERES A FEW MORE FACTORS IN PLAY.I VE BEEN UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GO THROUGH TOO MANY DUFFERS,BRED OUT OF" WORKER TO WORKER."YOU DON T KNOW WHAT SHIT MIGHT APPEAR AND BITE YOU IN THE ARSE SOME DAY.

 

LOOK FORWARD TO SOME CYBER BULLYING

what a load of shit

[Guest pip]

Well i reckon if lads over here in Ireland dont wise up and concentrate a bit more on where the dog came from[lines]and whether its siblings are working then we re screwed for the future.The reason i think we ve neglected it is for years the big dogs where the sport and the earth dogs where a means to an end,i ve said before on here linebreeding in earth dogs in Ireland is rarely heard of apart from the odd exception worker to workers fine but its time we started taking tips from big dog breeders and hound men or we ll lose what we have.OMOKEEP IT INTHE FAMILY LADS. IF MORE OF US DON T START ATTEMPTING TO BREED STRONG FAMILY LINES THEN WHAT WE HAVE BE HARDER AND HARDER TO COME BY,THE DAYS OF BREEDING ANY OLD THING THAT WORKS OF THE STREET ,WITHOUT KNOWING ITS FAMILY HISTORY TO A SIMILAR PED UNKNOWN DOG IS THE WAY TO SEE THE WORKER OFF.THERE S TOO MANY SPORTS BEING BRED OFF.IN MY TOWN I KNOW OF ONE LAD BREEDS FOR LOOKS,ANOTHER BREEDS FOR MONEY ,ANOTHER WILL USE HIS DOGS OVER ANY OLD BITCH,AND ANOTHER HAS JUST BRED A LITTER OUT OF A 2 YEAR OLD NON WORKER TO A 10MONTH OLD PUP??????

 

I THINK WE NEED TO BE A BIT MORE SELECTIVE AND CAREFUL WHEN CHOOSING STUDS [LOOK INTO HIS FAMILY BACKROUND]AND DON T OVERLOOK THE BITCHES THEY ARE THE BAROMETER TO A LINE OF DOG I THINK AND ANY LADS I VE BEEN TALKING TO HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING GOOD WORKING BITCHES OF AN EXCEPTABLE SIZE.THE STORIES OF DOGS THAT ARE EXCELLANT IN THEMSELVES BUT DON T PRODUCE ARE TO COMMON.

IN FAIRNESS I KNOW OF QUITE A FEW WHO ARE WORKING HARD TO TEST AND PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR STOCK . JUST BECAUSE IT WORKS DOESN T MEAN ITS THE BEST FOR TAKING PUPS OF,I THINK THERES A FEW MORE FACTORS IN PLAY.I VE BEEN UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GO THROUGH TOO MANY DUFFERS,BRED OUT OF" WORKER TO WORKER."YOU DON T KNOW WHAT SHIT MIGHT APPEAR AND BITE YOU IN THE ARSE SOME DAY.

 

LOOK FORWARD TO SOME CYBER BULLYING

what a load of shit

Do you understand it mate?Care to enficise your feelings?

[sounder 9]

Well i reckon if lads over here in Ireland dont wise up and concentrate a bit more on where the dog came from[lines]and whether its siblings are working then we re screwed for the future.The reason i think we ve neglected it is for years the big dogs where the sport and the earth dogs where a means to an end,i ve said before on here linebreeding in earth dogs in Ireland is rarely heard of apart from the odd exception worker to workers fine but its time we started taking tips from big dog breeders and hound men or we ll lose what we have.OMOKEEP IT INTHE FAMILY LADS. IF MORE OF US DON T START ATTEMPTING TO BREED STRONG FAMILY LINES THEN WHAT WE HAVE BE HARDER AND HARDER TO COME BY,THE DAYS OF BREEDING ANY OLD THING THAT WORKS OF THE STREET ,WITHOUT KNOWING ITS FAMILY HISTORY TO A SIMILAR PED UNKNOWN DOG IS THE WAY TO SEE THE WORKER OFF.THERE S TOO MANY SPORTS BEING BRED OFF.IN MY TOWN I KNOW OF ONE LAD BREEDS FOR LOOKS,ANOTHER BREEDS FOR MONEY ,ANOTHER WILL USE HIS DOGS OVER ANY OLD BITCH,AND ANOTHER HAS JUST BRED A LITTER OUT OF A 2 YEAR OLD NON WORKER TO A 10MONTH OLD PUP??????

 

I THINK WE NEED TO BE A BIT MORE SELECTIVE AND CAREFUL WHEN CHOOSING STUDS [LOOK INTO HIS FAMILY BACKROUND]AND DON T OVERLOOK THE BITCHES THEY ARE THE BAROMETER TO A LINE OF DOG I THINK AND ANY LADS I VE BEEN TALKING TO HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING GOOD WORKING BITCHES OF AN EXCEPTABLE SIZE.THE STORIES OF DOGS THAT ARE EXCELLANT IN THEMSELVES BUT DON T PRODUCE ARE TO COMMON.

IN FAIRNESS I KNOW OF QUITE A FEW WHO ARE WORKING HARD TO TEST AND PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR STOCK . JUST BECAUSE IT WORKS DOESN T MEAN ITS THE BEST FOR TAKING PUPS OF,I THINK THERES A FEW MORE FACTORS IN PLAY.I VE BEEN UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GO THROUGH TOO MANY DUFFERS,BRED OUT OF" WORKER TO WORKER."YOU DON T KNOW WHAT SHIT MIGHT APPEAR AND BITE YOU IN THE ARSE SOME DAY.

 

LOOK FORWARD TO SOME CYBER BULLYING

what a load of shit

Do you understand it mate?Care to enficise your feelings?

worker to worker what wrong with that,Care to enficise your feelings? dr phil

[Guest pip]

Well i reckon if lads over here in Ireland dont wise up and concentrate a bit more on where the dog came from[lines]and whether its siblings are working then we re screwed for the future.The reason i think we ve neglected it is for years the big dogs where the sport and the earth dogs where a means to an end,i ve said before on here linebreeding in earth dogs in Ireland is rarely heard of apart from the odd exception worker to workers fine but its time we started taking tips from big dog breeders and hound men or we ll lose what we have.OMOKEEP IT INTHE FAMILY LADS. IF MORE OF US DON T START ATTEMPTING TO BREED STRONG FAMILY LINES THEN WHAT WE HAVE BE HARDER AND HARDER TO COME BY,THE DAYS OF BREEDING ANY OLD THING THAT WORKS OF THE STREET ,WITHOUT KNOWING ITS FAMILY HISTORY TO A SIMILAR PED UNKNOWN DOG IS THE WAY TO SEE THE WORKER OFF.THERE S TOO MANY SPORTS BEING BRED OFF.IN MY TOWN I KNOW OF ONE LAD BREEDS FOR LOOKS,ANOTHER BREEDS FOR MONEY ,ANOTHER WILL USE HIS DOGS OVER ANY OLD BITCH,AND ANOTHER HAS JUST BRED A LITTER OUT OF A 2 YEAR OLD NON WORKER TO A 10MONTH OLD PUP??????

 

I THINK WE NEED TO BE A BIT MORE SELECTIVE AND CAREFUL WHEN CHOOSING STUDS [LOOK INTO HIS FAMILY BACKROUND]AND DON T OVERLOOK THE BITCHES THEY ARE THE BAROMETER TO A LINE OF DOG I THINK AND ANY LADS I VE BEEN TALKING TO HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING GOOD WORKING BITCHES OF AN EXCEPTABLE SIZE.THE STORIES OF DOGS THAT ARE EXCELLANT IN THEMSELVES BUT DON T PRODUCE ARE TO COMMON.

IN FAIRNESS I KNOW OF QUITE A FEW WHO ARE WORKING HARD TO TEST AND PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR STOCK . JUST BECAUSE IT WORKS DOESN T MEAN ITS THE BEST FOR TAKING PUPS OF,I THINK THERES A FEW MORE FACTORS IN PLAY.I VE BEEN UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GO THROUGH TOO MANY DUFFERS,BRED OUT OF" WORKER TO WORKER."YOU DON T KNOW WHAT SHIT MIGHT APPEAR AND BITE YOU IN THE ARSE SOME DAY.

 

LOOK FORWARD TO SOME CYBER BULLYING

what a load of shit

Do you understand it mate?Care to enficise your feelings?

worker to worker what wrong with that,Care to enficise your feelings? dr phil

WOULD YOU BREED OF A REAL GOOD DOG OF PED UNKNOWN OR WOULD YOU BREED OF AN AVERAGE DOG WITH A FULL WORKING ANCESTRY AND A HIGH % OF SIBLINGS WORKING,SOUNDER????

[Waz 4,276]

Breed of the working siblings rather than the average dog.

[Guest pip]

the point im trying tomake is theres a big difference in breeding worker to worker and breeding worker to worker out of a long line of workers.Some lad s go to a dog home and may be lucky enough to get a good worker,but would you breed it into your line not knowing where it hailed from??if its out of a long line of shit then that shit will rear its ugly head some time,nothing to do with big names,the only purpose of using em is to show that at at least you know where the dog came from and as long as you can trace the ancestry who cares what name it is.

[Stabs 3]

Good stuff Pip

I know this is something you care about passionately and full credit to you fella

[spindolero 1,111]

Well i reckon if lads over here in Ireland dont wise up and concentrate a bit more on where the dog came from[lines]and whether its siblings are working then we re screwed for the future.The reason i think we ve neglected it is for years the big dogs where the sport and the earth dogs where a means to an end,i ve said before on here linebreeding in earth dogs in Ireland is rarely heard of apart from the odd exception worker to workers fine but its time we started taking tips from big dog breeders and hound men or we ll lose what we have.OMOKEEP IT INTHE FAMILY LADS. IF MORE OF US DON T START ATTEMPTING TO BREED STRONG FAMILY LINES THEN WHAT WE HAVE BE HARDER AND HARDER TO COME BY,THE DAYS OF BREEDING ANY OLD THING THAT WORKS OF THE STREET ,WITHOUT KNOWING ITS FAMILY HISTORY TO A SIMILAR PED UNKNOWN DOG IS THE WAY TO SEE THE WORKER OFF.THERE S TOO MANY SPORTS BEING BRED OFF.IN MY TOWN I KNOW OF ONE LAD BREEDS FOR LOOKS,ANOTHER BREEDS FOR MONEY ,ANOTHER WILL USE HIS DOGS OVER ANY OLD BITCH,AND ANOTHER HAS JUST BRED A LITTER OUT OF A 2 YEAR OLD NON WORKER TO A 10MONTH OLD PUP??????

 

I THINK WE NEED TO BE A BIT MORE SELECTIVE AND CAREFUL WHEN CHOOSING STUDS [LOOK INTO HIS FAMILY BACKROUND]AND DON T OVERLOOK THE BITCHES THEY ARE THE BAROMETER TO A LINE OF DOG I THINK AND ANY LADS I VE BEEN TALKING TO HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING GOOD WORKING BITCHES OF AN EXCEPTABLE SIZE.THE STORIES OF DOGS THAT ARE EXCELLANT IN THEMSELVES BUT DON T PRODUCE ARE TO COMMON.

IN FAIRNESS I KNOW OF QUITE A FEW WHO ARE WORKING HARD TO TEST AND PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR STOCK . JUST BECAUSE IT WORKS DOESN T MEAN ITS THE BEST FOR TAKING PUPS OF,I THINK THERES A FEW MORE FACTORS IN PLAY.I VE BEEN UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GO THROUGH TOO MANY DUFFERS,BRED OUT OF" WORKER TO WORKER."YOU DON T KNOW WHAT SHIT MIGHT APPEAR AND BITE YOU IN THE ARSE SOME DAY.

 

LOOK FORWARD TO SOME CYBER BULLYING

 

 

 

Good post Pip.

 

In the most unforgiving arena for dogs, the breeding is everything.

Some of this thinking must be relevant to earth dogs too.

Edited April 13, 2008 by spindolero

[mickrick 0]

The point about lines is that teriermen introduce differrent breeds into their stock in order to improve a certain point in the breed, i.e. introducing a staffordshire to improve strength, or a hound to improve nose, then breed worker with worker along that line. In any good line you should be able to find out what has gone into the breed and how far back it was introduced. Also it helps if somebody is keeping a record of what is being bred with what.

Good hunting.

[Guest pip]

I think conditioning is overlooked too in earthdogs,a while back i read a few articles written by Don Mayfield and while breeding is extremely important in the sport he was involved in so was conditioning.How many fellas bring a dog out after being rested all summer then drop him in to a situation where there is poor air and is frequently overmatched?Then a few weeks later same again,very little thought put into the conditioning of the animal .If the dogs a goodun then he deserves to be in tiptop condition to work or else you can t judge that dogs performance fairly.Make no mistake the dogs opponent is often bigger and normally in the pink of condition.

I know of several situations where good dogs have failed and when checked out it turned out the dog had a kidney infection in one case and a blood disorder in the other.Once these where sorted the dogs in question never failed again.OMO but if you ve got a good dog and the breeding there he/she deserves to be in top physical condition to be judged fairly at their work.

Again theres a lot terriermen stand to learn from big dog breeders,from a breeding and conditioning point of view.

 

 

Again sounder ,would you breed of the average dog with the breeding behind it or the excellant dog of ped. unknown????????