BIG CATS

[Dawn B 212]

Fair comment, but they are not BIG Cats either!! They are small wild Cats. The most common reported sightings are of "black" Panthers. Based on that, these sightings are indeed of "big" Cats, Leopards at that!

[COMPO 54]

Fair comment, but they are not BIG Cats either!! They are small wild Cats. The most common reported sightings are of "black" Panthers. Based on that, these sightings are indeed of "big" Cats, Leopards at that!

 

 

i agree.......but your being pedantic, if people want to call em "big" cats whatever........does it matter they are bigger than moggies, there may be black one's , there maybe hybrids...........................i do know they are out there though

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Its a pity old Bri Plummer wasnt still about as i feel sure he would be in his element in coming up with a breed of dog to hunt these cats that no-one ever has any proof of seeing .Strange that .He was a dreamer too .FFS just admit that there are no BIG CATS alive in the BRITISH ISLES.

Ps And Ditchy ,just to add ,Dont be so cocky without the proof you so strongly crave .

[hang & bang 114]

from dublin meself do hunt in co.down lads up there seen big black cat 1year ago some crack wit a pack of bull xs

[Dawn B 212]

Fair comment, but they are not BIG Cats either!! They are small wild Cats. The most common reported sightings are of "black" Panthers. Based on that, these sightings are indeed of "big" Cats, Leopards at that!

 

 

i agree.......but your being pedantic, if people want to call em "big" cats whatever........does it matter they are bigger than moggies, there may be black one's , there maybe hybrids...........................i do know they are out there though

Well I dont think Im being pedantic, just honest, if I saw a Bengal walking across a field, I wouldnt say it was a big Cat, If I saw a Tiger, I would!!

[Missie 1]

The one I saw was a big cat.

 

It was mere feet away from me so I feel as though I can comment on it and it was at least the size of a GSD I would say, certainly bigger than the collie I was walking.

 

I don't know if it was some sort of hybrid or if it was some sort of leopard but it was definately real and definately large.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Ditchy ,just to add ,Dont be so cocky without the proof you so strongly crave .

 

Please don't Assume I 'Crave' or even seek anything more, Drops

 

Mheanwhile; As long as people try to suggest I and the majority around me are liars, or at best delusional? I'll treat such with the level of contempt they are earning themselves.

 

Ye talk of proof? Prove everyone on this Thread, apart from you and Dawn, are Wrong.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

" Big Cats " ? For the record, people; The Zoological definition of a " Big Cat " is one which is capable of producing a " Roar ". Leopards can do that. Cougars can't. Lynx, Jungle Cat etc. Can't. Those are there for Not 'Big Cats' in the scientific sense. (Sure. 150 Ilbs of Cougar is plenty Big enough for me! But he's a Large cat).

 

Hence it's my personally quite happily held belief that there are NO " Big Cats " at liberty in uk. (As said above, I don't swallow the leopards idea).

 

Non Native, large forms of cat from undomesticated stock? Certainly. Domestic cats sold as pets for K's and then allowed to escape and vanish without so much as a whisper? That just doesn't ring right of human nature in the modern world, to me. But leopards - of any colour? The smallest possible Big Cats? It doesn't add up in my estimation either.

[huntwithhounds 3]

This isn't about a big cat but a Wolverine was shot at a estate not to far away from me a few years ago by one of the gamekeepers.But again like many cases it wasn't publicised, kept very hush hush.a few sightings had been reported but nobody really beleaved it until it keep coming into a garden of a employee on the estate.They then sat out one night and finshed it at close range with a rifle, must be a good 8-10 years back now tho.

[Missie 1]

Ditch, people did set Big cats loose in the 70's when licensing laws came in regarding exotic animals rather than hand them over to zoos but i'm unsure ofthe breeds. It is possible that by continuing to breed these animals could still be living in the UK but who knows, they do apparently travel wide areas to find a mate.

 

I took my daughter to a zoo yesterday so i'll draw some comparisons, the cat I saw was definately not as big as a Tiger, nowhere near! I would say it was about the same size as the Snow Leopard we saw but maybe a little thicker set.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Ditch, people did set Big cats loose in the 70's when licensing laws came in regarding exotic animals rather than hand them over to zoos but i'm unsure ofthe breeds. It is possible that by continuing to breed these animals could still be living in the UK but who knows?

 

Missie; As stated above ~ and shown throughout and where ever I offer my personal opinion on all this ~ I cannot see how uk can contain Leopards without blatent signs of their presence being noted. And leopards are the only Big Cats even remotely viable to this entire discussion.

 

So; 'No (actual) Big Cats'? Then what? Well, I'm happy enough that there are, or have been, Cougars. These, as stated, are Not a 'Big Cat'. In fact, repeatedly refering to such creatures as " Big Cats " and going on to talk of " Panthers " is simply demonstrating basic ignorance of the scientific facts and there by opening anything else one may utter to ridicule by those who may find delight in such.

 

In short; Try to insist in a belief that Big Cats are at liberty in uk and that's the open invite for others to laugh in ye face and sneer; " You clearly don't know what the f*ck you're talking about! ".

 

Me? I give them a f*cking hard time in saying that. Because I do appreciate much of the accepted science behind it all. I don't 'Want To Believe'. I'm simply curious enough to impartially examine such evidence as I have presented to me. Where nothing's empirical, I use my own judgement to weigh up the balance of probabilities. Thus my stance.

 

I'm niether out to 'Win my point' nor to convince those who find disagreement. I 'Have no axe to grind'. If I behaved as some here do, what next? Steam, uninvited, into a church and start demending the worshippers Prove To Me that their 'God' exists in the form they believe that god to? Hell no! I haven't got that level of personal hang up

 

That's why I don't attempt to ridicule and brow beat those who talk of " Panthers ". I simply put my own counterpoint that, scientifically looking at the known facts, panthers would show on the radar. As it is, all we have is Large Cats which happen to appear predominantly black. Blackbirds, carrion crows and ravens also appear " Black ". Seeing a black bird does Not mean ye seeing a Raven. See?

[Guest manda]

He's gorge dawn. A lot of big cats eg puma's, leopards and panthers where said to have escaped in the 70's and 's and a few escaped from what used to be lampton lion park, but now obviosly they will be diluted by feral domestic cats, a few people scott has been taking to about this subject around this area also believe they have seen the big cat around here or maybe there's a few, as one is said to be black like a panther and one a tan colour around the size of a lab. Id like to catch the fecker just to get photo's but doubt it very much lol

[Missie 1]

I'll freely admit that I don't know for sure what the cat I saw was.

 

I'd love to see some hard evidence of what is out there though, whatever these cats are.

[Guest manda]

Found this on the british big cats society

Identification

Leopard

The leopard panthera pardus is the most wide spread and adaptable of the big cats. Because of its wide distribution there is extreme variability in coat colour. This can range from greyish yellow to a rich buff or chestnut colour, there are black spots on the head, lower limbs and tail and black spots that form rosettes on the back, flanks and upper limbs the underside of the body is whitish in colour, of this sleek, athletic body. Coat colour is broadly associated with habitat type. Melanistic leopards called "black panthers" are very common, especially in dense forests. The head is relatively small and convex in profile, the ears are rounded. The legs are rather short and stout and the tail is long and full.

 

Mostly active during dawn and dusk but will hunt in the day, hunting is accomplished mainly by stalking, approaching their prey as close as possible before pouncing.

 

Depending on the species of leopard, the size ranges are as follows : head and body length 91cm-191cm, tail length 58cm-110cm, shoulder height ranging from 43cm-76cm and leopards can weigh between 30kg and 91kg.

 

Puma / Cougar

The puma Felis concolor probably has as many different colloquial names as it does alleged geographical races. It also has the greatest latitudinal distribution of any wild cat species, being found in all habitats in its native country, North and South America.

 

Because of their immense range, there is a wide variation in coat colour, from a buff or sandy-brown to reddish-brown, through to a light silver and slate grey. Black pumas have also been reported. The coat is fairly short and coarse, being somewhat darker on the back and a paler buff on the chest, belly and inner sides of the legs. Overall the coat is uniform in colour and is essentially unmarked. The head is fairly small, with dark brown to black patches on the muzzle which is also lighter in colour. The eyes have irises of greenish-gold to yellowish-brown. The ears are short and rounded and grey to black on the backs.

 

The forelegs are shorter than the hind legs and the foot pads are relatively large. Their tail is fairly long, gradually darkening towards the tip.

 

Primarily nocturnal and crepuscular, they hunt over a wide range carefully stalking their prey or dashing out from an ambush point and rushing straight at the prey, often breaking the ribs of the prey animal - such is the speed and force used to knock down the prey. The size of pumas varies according to geographical location but as a guide they measure around 97cm to 220 cm head and body with a tail of around 53cm to 82cm, the height at the shoulder would be between 58cm and 76cm and weight between 35kg and 85kg.

 

Lynx

The Eurasian cat tends to have more dark, distinct spotting on its coat than the Canadian. This is shown to the extreme in the Iberian or Spanish lynx, which is always heavily spotted. Northern animals tend to be greyer and less spotted than southern animals. In the south west area of their range, three coat patterns are recognised - predominantly spotted, predominantly striped and unattended. In Scandinavia, spotted cats are called "cat lynx", and unspotted ones are called "wolf lynx". Summer coats usually have dark spots that fade to barely visible in the winter.

 

The usual ground colour of the fur is a greyish or brownish-yellow but can vary to rusty or reddish-brown. Their thick, soft pelt can be variably marked with more or less distinct dark spots and sometimes small stripes. There is a distinct ruff of long hairs framing the face. The ears are large and pointed with long, erect tufts of dark hairs and the backsides are black towards the tip, showing light central spots. The rises are a yellow-brown to a light yellowish-green in colour. The legs are long, with the rear limbs longer than the front ones, giving the body a tilted forward appearance. The footpads are broad and well furred and the tail is very short and black tipped.

 

The Iberian lynx preys almost exclusively on European rabbit, although some deer fawns and birds are also taken and they are capable of killing prey three to four times their own size. Occasionally domestic sheep are also taken.

 

The Eurasian lynx is the largest, with males averaging 21 kg and the females averaging 18 kg. The Iberian lynx is intermediate, with males weighing on average 12 kg and females slightly smaller and the Canadian cat is the smallest, with males averaging 10 kg and females averaging 8.5 kg. Height at the shoulder is between 65 and 75 cm.

 

Jungle Cat

The Jungle cat (Felis chaus) is not a frequenter of jungles as the name implies but prefers moist areas with reeds or high grass, woodlands and agricultural crops.

 

The coat colour of the jungle cat varies from sandy or yellowish-grey to a greyish-brown or tawny red, with underparts of cream or pale rufous. The legs sometimes retain horizontal striping melanistic (black) - individuals are reasonably common. The head is narrow and has a high domed forehead. The ears are tall and rounded and tipped with small tufts of black hair and are set close together. The eyes have bright yellow irises, the legs are long and slender and the tail is comparatively short with several dark rings and a black tip.

 

Average length for jungle cats is 500-850mm with a tail length of 230-290mm. The height at the shoulders is 350-380mm and the cat can weigh 4 to 13 kgs.

 

Caracal

Caracal (felis caracal) means "black ears" in Turkish. Large tapering ears with up to two inch erect tufts of black hair used for communication. Black backed ears, dark spots on both sides of the muzzle, black spots above the eyes and a black stripe from the eye to the nose.

 

The coat is a uniform tawny-brown to brick red colouring, the short dense coat is slightly longer and whiter on the underside.

 

Melanistic (black) caracals have been reported but only rarely. Called "desert lynx" the caracal has longer legs, a slender body and the tail is longer and tapered at the tip. They lack the ruff of hairs around the face which are predominant in the lynx.

The eyes are large and yellow-brown in colour, their sight and sense of hearing is very good. As with most cats it is predominantly nocturnal and hunts birds, rodents, reptiles and larger mammals (water buck etc). It has a remarkable ability to jump several feet into the air to knock down birds as they take off.

 

Found in both Asia and Africa, the females being smaller than the males, the size ranges for this cat are as follows: 88-98 cm in length with a tail length of 24-38 cm long, height between 40 and 50 cm and weighing anywhere from 10 to18 kgs.

 

British Wild Cat

The wildcat looks like a larger and heavier version of the domestic tabby cat but is a distinct species with sub-species throughout Europe and beyond. Characteristically it has a broad face, very obvious body stripes and a thick, striped, blunt tail.

 

Like other small cats it feeds on a wide range of mammals and birds and can be found both in wooded and open country.

 

Mainly nocturnal, the wildcat is secretive and very rarely seen. In the early part of last century the wildcat had been reduced to a population in the north-east of Scotland but we now know that it is widespread throughout mainland Scotland north of the Central Belt.

 

Although unofficially the wildcat has spread much further than this and sightings have been made in all parts of Scotland, especially over the last few years.

 

 

 

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No pics sorry but if you go on there site there on there.

[Dawn B 212]

He's gorge dawn. A lot of big cats eg puma's, leopards and panthers where said to have escaped in the 70's and 's and a few escaped from what used to be lampton lion park, but now obviosly they will be diluted by feral domestic cats, a few people scott has been taking to about this subject around this area also believe they have seen the big cat around here or maybe there's a few, as one is said to be black like a panther and one a tan colour around the size of a lab. Id like to catch the fecker just to get photo's but doubt it very much lol

Thanks Manda. I agree about the Cats escaping, but if we listen to most talk now, we have to assume that these animals are breeding, otherwise, my word would they be old!!!! Also, image how many must still be kept as "pets" or be escaping from collections. Baring in mind, these animals in collections, Zoos etc.. will be used to the presence of Humans, I still find it weird that they escape every single opportunity to provide proof to the doubting Thomas's like me!

 

No hunter, no wldlife expert, no fur trapper from Canada, nobody full stop, can provide unrefuted proof they are living in the countryside today. I am happy to accept there have been Cats escaping, much earlier evidence (20yrs or so ago) PROVES this, with escaped Cats being caught etc.. but untill I see the proof, and it must be undeniable proof, I honestly dont think they live out in our countryside.

 

Its not a personal vendetta of mine, I adore Cats, Id love to think they are "out there" but I dont think they are. If people say they have seen them, then fair play, but for me personally, I just want to see the proof and then Ill join them.