Blackdog x Staff??????????????

[Guest pip]

Can anyone tell me what the fascination is with crossing blackdogs with staffs etc??What is to be gained??

 

Any ive seen are impressive(to look at)but lack a lot in hunting instinct.

 

I personnally think it should nt happen.

 

THEY HAVE BEEN BRED FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.

[antg 1,783]

i always wonderd the same thing pip.

[antg 1,783]

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Edited April 7, 2008 by antg

[melgar69 0]

it was most likely to do with jaw strength, because before the ban the dog could kill the fox so with staff in it, it was "more" game and had a bigger "kill" drive and powerfull jaws.

 

just what i got told, might help

[kirstysdad 827]

crossing bull into any type working terrier is asking for trouble ie bredding worker to non worker you may get a looker but you would be diluting away from the hunting ability and any i have seen work bassicly had to walk into the stuff underground as they had lost a lot of their scent ability

[Stabs 3]

Didn't Brian Nuttall once say that the bull couldn't really benefit the terrier but the terrier could benfit the bull....para phrased there slightly

[howard 0]

Lol Lol Lol bull blood has been added to working terriers for a long long time and by men who have worked terriers a lot more than most.i dont know what the fascination is in slagging bull blood be it either in terrier or lurcher if you dont want bull blood then dont bye a terrier or lurcher because if you look back along its lines you will sooner or later find it, there are a lot of lads that will need and use that bull blood to its full advantage.JMHO

 

Dont belive everything you read lol

[Guest whitser]

dont like to see it myself. only seen one patt x staff work and it jacked. think maybe bull blood can be used to improve things like head,bone and jaw in a breeding programme if its needed but as a whole i dont think it is. having said that all patterdale have bull blood in them way way back.

[pickaxe 23]

long ago,when holes worked where much bigger, i saw a 1/2 cross work often, and she was a bayer, like it or not there's bull blood in most lines of terriers, not just the blacks think its been mixed in since the first crosses of bull+terrier way back when bull baiting was banned and they needed a lighter faster dog for fighting, then it abit more terrier mated in for the rat pits, all the working lines are just a bunch of crossbreds ..if it worked they had pups

Edited April 7, 2008 by pickaxe

[Guest pip]

I have good idea why people do it and surely its been added but my point is why would someone add bull to a decent line of dog,which i ve seen,as has been said they aren t earth dogs,i know of fellas using bullxrussels but theres a high stop rate with them.If they re doing the job what else can be achieved?If they re not doing the job time to change dogs.IMO.

Any ive seen are seriousely lacking in nose.I reckon theres enough shit about without diluting whats left.

[the_stig 6,614]

a lot of the old black stuff had bull in it so do a lot of the smooth russell types in russells bull was used to get the coat . in the black imo it was for work - to compete with the black and white fella nowadays very little point in putting bull into working terriers . jus my views .

Edited April 7, 2008 by the_stig

[Guest pip]

Understand what you mean but why use bull in the past when lads needed a sounder more than a killer?

[donnyc 1,203]

Seen some the other day looked like Heifer x russell.

[Wilky 0]

I agree with Pip and Samward, good working strains shouldn't need it, and if an outcross is needed, then source a dog from an unrelated strain, but like Pickaxe says, most terriers will have bull blood in their ancestry, but generally that'll be a long long time ago, unless it's a purpose bred cross, but true enough if you look back through the ancestry of the working terrier, there'll be bull blood, seems as though it was fashionable once over.

 

I once bought in a first cross Patterdale/Staff a lot of years ago and though it worked reasonably, it was a nightmare and would buckle into anything that took it's fancy, the last straw came when we were doing an old land drain, just as the dog was entering, he must have looked up and seen an Afghan being walked further up the field, and was off and at it like a psycho, we got him back, appologised and worked another dog in the drain and got what we were after, that was the end of bull in terriers for me, just too much trouble and there's a lot of wastage in the litters, because a lot of pups will be too big for tight fox earths.

 

However, as most people will probably say, some bull/terrier crosses will work well and one of the best terriers I ever saw work was a first cross Bull/Russell, he was bought for ten bob (real old money) at 14 months old and worked everything put in front of him. he was sensible, but still pretty hard, the first black dog I ever clapped eyes on, ugly as they come, long back, short Queen Anne's, undershot, he had it all, but was a very good terrier, but I've never seen another one the like.

 

A mate has a russell that's eighth bull and that's a handy tool, but is it the eighth bull or the seven eighths working terrier that makes it work, I know what my thoughts are.

 

As for Bull in lurchers, then personally I don't think you can compare the two, the required jobs are just worlds apart and bull blooded lurchers have proven themselves over and over and are here to stay, like it or lump it.

 

There are some exceptional working terriers out there, keep the lines pure and work the offspring hard and there'll be no need to add bull.

[the_stig 6,614]

Understand what you mean but why use bull in the past when lads needed a sounder more than a killer?

some things never change i would have thought that the modern day working terrier should be that advanced that thr would`nt be a need to put bull into it people go on about kc reg dogs being fecked but thrs a lot of good working blood been fecked in our game bull seems to be the thing of the streets these days . look back at some of the old black stuff gould nuttall and even nixons russells had bull in it all good working stuff at the time . now days dont think thrs a call for it .are bull x terriers any good for the modern day terrierman ?? must be some lads on here use em ??