Ratting.

[Malt 379]

We've been offered a bit of sport on some rats at a farm. The farmer in question, has put some poison down around 10 days ago. Does anybody know if there would be any risks to the dogs?

Any advice would be appreciated.

[Rolfe 2]

We've been offered a bit of sport on some rats at a farm. The farmer in question, has put some poison down around 10 days ago. Does anybody know if there would be any risks to the dogs?

Any advice would be appreciated.

If he has used secure bait stations to dispense his rodenticide as he should have done, then there shouldn't be a problem if he has followed all the rules.

BUT.............MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THE LOCATIONS OF ANY BAIT POINTS AND THE TYPE OF RODENTICIDE USED BEFORE YOU LET ANY DOGS RUN LOOSE.

 

The questions you should be asking are .....what type of rodenticide did he use and in what form.....could it be wax blocks or loose grain..........could it be in liquid form........did he bait burrows etc.

 

Rolfe.

[adam 0]

We've been offered a bit of sport on some rats at a farm. The farmer in question, has put some poison down around 10 days ago. Does anybody know if there would be any risks to the dogs?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Firstly would need to know what type of poison, would also need to know the dogs in question are they prone to eating anything and everything, if the posion is outside if should be a a proper container so dogs cant get it!!! If after the session the dogs looked a bit ill all it takes is a vitamin K1 injesction, which you can get from the chemist to sort the dog out. The main thing is knowing your own dogs would they eat something that has a chemical that makes it taste really bitter?

Adam

[FPO 0]

If after the session the dogs looked a bit ill all it takes is a vitamin K1 injesction, which you can get from the chemist to sort the dog out. The main thing is knowing your own dogs would they eat something that has a chemical that makes it taste really bitter?

Adam

 

 

 

ALL IT TAKES!!!!? wouldnt want to risk it myself if there was bait lying around ! If there was a problem you need to know exactly what dog has eaten and get it to a vets. heard of one farmer who managed to kill his own dog! he was baiting with a pasta based poison his black lab munched it up and that was the end of that!

 

Really doesn depend on what the rats are baited on. There are some baits that are only ment to be used indoors due to the danger of them to non target species, if the farmer has got hold of this and just left it around then could cause problems to a dog eating it.

 

How valuable are your dogs to you?

[Malt 379]

If after the session the dogs looked a bit ill all it takes is a vitamin K1 injesction, which you can get from the chemist to sort the dog out. The main thing is knowing your own dogs would they eat something that has a chemical that makes it taste really bitter?

Adam

 

 

 

ALL IT TAKES!!!!? wouldnt want to risk it myself if there was bait lying around ! If there was a problem you need to know exactly what dog has eaten and get it to a vets. heard of one farmer who managed to kill his own dog! he was baiting with a pasta based poison his black lab munched it up and that was the end of that!

 

Really doesn depend on what the rats are baited on. There are some baits that are only ment to be used indoors due to the danger of them to non target species, if the farmer has got hold of this and just left it around then could cause problems to a dog eating it.

 

How valuable are your dogs to you?

Very valuable, that's why I posted! The farmer's got a few dogs that run about the area, so I assume the bait will be in bait stations. Either way, we'll spend a good hour searching the area before the dogs even get out of the car.

Is there any chance of the dog's getting anything from a poisoned rat? The reason I ask, is that my mothers neighbour had a rentokill bloke out a few weeks ago, because she had some rat's at the top of her garden. We'd had a few in my mum's garden with the live capture traps & a few in the fenns. I had offered to dig the nest out and take a few dogs there, but the woman was a typical non hunter, and didn't trust us, so she called the council. The rentokill bloke said that we'd been doing pretty well by ourselves, and there was no real need for him to be there! He done the usual, 30 second look round the gardens, then chuck a bait station down.

He then advised my mother not to let us dig the nest out, as one bite from a poisoned rat would kill a dog! I think this sound's a bit far fetched, more a statement born from ignorance, rather than knowledge!

But to be on the safe side, I thought I'd better ask.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

The rentokill bloke ... done the usual, 30 second look round the gardens, then chuck a bait station down.

 

 

That may well be the manner of Rento', some Councils and / or their subcontractors. It's certainly not how I operate.

 

The problem with 'Farmers' is that they're legally entitled Amateurs. They enjoy the best of both worlds. Their Amateur status means they needn't know, or ever have to proove they know, shit about what they're playing at. Yet they're free to buy the sort of things the rest of the general public shouldn't be getting at. Then they can Legally use it. No particular come back for them, if it all goes bad, either. " How was I to know, your honour? " being considered a fair plea.

 

Thus they tend to carry right on, doing what their uninformed fathers showed them to do. Whilst talking in tems of " The purple blocks of stuff ". " That blue stuff " and " That poisoned grain. " Which they then " Chuck down ". That's where, when and why it tends to hit the fan. Non Target creatures usually being on the recieving end.

 

I know a Lot of Farmers here practice DIY 'Pest Control'. I even once saw one buying A secure bait box! The mind boggles .....

 

So ye see, the baits capable of dropping a Dog are very well known to the Professional Operatives. We know their names and we adhere strictly to the Laws governing their use. Such baits would only be used - by a Pro' - inside a secure building and only for such time as they were needed there. Then we'd remove all trace of the bait, having searched for baited rodents and removed those too.

 

There are high end bait formulas available today which 99% of people wouldn't even for a moment consider could be rodentacidal preperations. Things have come a long way since 'Blue Corn'. Dogs certainly wouldn't know it was harmfull and almost certainly Would scoff all they could find of it. IF it were " Chucked down " by an Amateur.

 

Tread carefully.

[Malt 379]

The rentokill bloke ... done the usual, 30 second look round the gardens, then chuck a bait station down.

 

 

That may well be the manner of Rento', some Councils and / or their subcontractors. It's certainly not how I operate.

 

The problem with 'Farmers' is that they're legally entitled Amateurs. They enjoy the best of both worlds. Their Amateur status means they needn't know, or ever have to proove they know, shit about what they're playing at. Yet they're free to buy the sort of things the rest of the general public shouldn't be getting at. Then they can Legally use it. No particular come back for them, if it all goes bad, either. " How was I to know, your honour? " being considered a fair plea.

 

Thus they tend to carry right on, doing what their uninformed fathers showed them to do. Whilst talking in tems of " The purple blocks of stuff ". " That blue stuff " and " That poisoned grain. " Which they then " Chuck down ". That's where, when and why it tends to hit the fan. Non Target creatures usually being on the recieving end.

 

I know a Lot of Farmers here practice DIY 'Pest Control'. I even once saw one buying A secure bait box! The mind boggles .....

 

So ye see, the baits capable of dropping a Dog are very well known to the Professional Operatives. We know their names and we adhere strictly to the Laws governing their use. Such baits would only be used - by a Pro' - inside a secure building and only for such time as they were needed there. Then we'd remove all trace of the bait, having searched for baited rodents and removed those too.

 

There are high end bait formulas available today which 99% of people wouldn't even for a moment consider could be rodentacidal preperations. Things have come a long way since 'Blue Corn'. Dogs certainly wouldn't know it was harmfull and almost certainly Would scoff all they could find of it. IF it were " Chucked down " by an Amateur.

 

Tread carefully.

Cheers for the advice DS. I certainly wasn't trying to tar all pest controllers with the same brush! The council contractors that operate in my area, are hardly what I'd even class as pest controllers, more along the lines of, 'Here comes the poison man!' It seems to be about the limit of there skill, to pop their head over the fence, make a quick 'Ohh, we'll have to get some poison down.' comment, before disappearing back to the van to get a bait station. I don't think I've EVER seen one, methodically walk round an area, looking for runs or nest's, before they put a station down in any old place. I know poison is the most effective, and probably safest way of dealing with rats, but surely it would be better if it was put in the right place, instead of just dumped randomly in the hope that a rat might occasionally wander offside, and find it!

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

I know poison is the most effective, and probably safest way of dealing with rats, but surely it would be better if it was put in the right place, instead of just dumped randomly in the hope that a rat might occasionally wander offside, and find it!

 

 

Very precisely so, mate. Unfortunately, people without much clue as to the habits of their quarry tend to just do as they feel. I've actually visited a domestic where the owner has been trying the DIY approach. I was told the mice were active in a certain room. I opened the door. Stepped into a gorgeous living room; Laminate floors, leather sofas, massive tv, the lot ~ and bloody near kicked my way through a pile of loose grain bait, just dumped down on the floor!

 

But experience has steeled me for just about anything, these days. I just looked at it. Turned to the owner and calmly requested a dust pan and brush ....!

 

How anyone expects to affectively cover even an average sized back garden against rats with a single box, quite frankly, defeats me.

 

Farmers down right scare me.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Personally i would tell the farmer that you wont be using the terriers mate .I have personal experience of losing a dog to the fecking stuff .Bait boxes are not the failsafe containers you would think they are ,if used outside .Ive watched a badger turn one over several times to get at the bait and it spilled over a large area .The worst stuff ,and what killed my dog ,was a sweet tasting liquid, apparently ,that was put down once the rats were denied water ?Dog drank it and dead 2 days later .

[Malt 379]

We didn't bother in the end. We got there with 5 terriers & a lurcher, it was only a smallholding! Seen signs of rat's, but nothing like the 'infestation' that we were led to believe was taking place. We just advised them to get a few traps & told them we'd show them how to use them.