rabbit traps

[micky 3,325]

Over the years i have read on this forum ,discriptions of various rabbit traps that worked well in theory, but in pratice had minor faults, for example ,

to heavy . to expensive . to complicated . weak springs . prone to jamming . ETC, With todays lightweight ,high tensile modern steel could any of these old traps be brought back into service. If so ,whitch why ,and how.

[snareman 3]

Over the years i have read on this forum ,discriptions of various rabbit traps that worked well in theory, but in pratice had minor faults, for example ,

to heavy . to expensive . to complicated . weak springs . prone to jamming . ETC, With todays lightweight ,high tensile modern steel could any of these old traps be brought back into service. If so ,whitch why ,and how.

we could certainly do with a good strong humane rabbit trap micky, ones that have quality springs that will last a good few years , also to be able to by spare springs , when replacement is needed , like the american tappers can do , as these spring traps weaken after a few years and are not humane . the price we have to pay for traps over here is ridiculous , the american traps are quality and very reasonably priced, same with all their realtree stuff, gun, and ammo , here we are robbed to death , a thousand rounds of .222 ammo , 170 dollars = 85 quid , in UK 20 rounds about 15 quid, a thousand rounds 750 quid , if thats not blatent robbery what is , you are better sending over to the states for all your shooting clothes , boots , lamps etc, with the postage they are half the uk price , realtree caps 7 dollars in canada 3 1/2 quid . over here 15quid , at least DICK TURPIN had the courtesy to wear a mask when he robbed you.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

This could become a good, chewy Thread, Micky! Thanks for kicking it off

 

Just so happens that I'm able, as I type, to gaze up at a Fenn Mk I Vermin trap and a Juby Rabbit trap which happens to be hard up alongside it. I don't think one could wish for a more brutal juxtoposition! 'Coat Hanger Wire' meets 'Scrap Yard Challenge'!

 

Yet history shows us; The Fenn developed and transmuted and is still with us and, in a recognisable form yet, killing rabbits to this day. The Juby however maintaned it's overall basic type and structure. Now it's long since been given up, if not lost completely as a rabbit trap.

 

What If ....? I'm no Trap Designer, Engineer or Metalurgist. No good looking at me. But, what if someone were to take the lighter, faster, stronger Coil Springs now available and used on American Steel Traps?

 

Those traps still work on the basic principle of two opposing 'arms' being snatched together by springs. Some even look recognisably like our Juby trap.

 

I'm guessing that, today, there must be some alloy which could be used to forn the base for a 'New Juby'? Something lighter and possibly cheaper? The springs exist. The basic designs are no secret.

 

Imbra traps use a completely different steel in their jaws. And those are popular to this day! Why, I wonder, did they feel they had to make the Juby so damn heavy and out of such 'hard' steels? I don't know. In fact, I've said about as much as I Do know now. But it's got me pondering imponderables

 

This could become a good Thread!

[Holdaway 2]

Hi all.

 

Titanium is the answer. Damnably expensive though. Wont rust, lightweight, lasts forever. Some one could ask for one to be made up by a blacksmith/engineer. I used to be a machine operator/engineer in another life, but don't have the tools or equipment. And titanium is too expensive for me to experiment with anyway.

 

Great topic though!

 

H

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Thing is, Holders. another thing history appears to illustrate is that man will not pay shit loads for a trap when there's another type available which'll still do the same job as well.

 

Kania's, at forty odd quid a throw, are hellishly expesnsive. But the Fenn VI in a box doesn't quite match up to it. Thus Kania sell well to this day. See? A modern, titanium made Juby wouldn't likely have a great deal over a Mk VI, except cost many times more. No one would buy them, would they?

 

The 'new' trap has to be quantifiably better than any we have. It also - for the purposes of this discussion - has to be one of the old ones. I picked Juby because I like them regardless. Basicly though, we need lighter, cheaper metal used. Not Titanium.

[micky 3,325]

This could become a good, chewy Thread, Micky! Thanks for kicking it off

 

Just so happens that I'm able, as I type, to gaze up at a Fenn Mk I Vermin trap and a Juby Rabbit trap which happens to be hard up alongside it. I don't think one could wish for a more brutal juxtoposition! 'Coat Hanger Wire' meets 'Scrap Yard Challenge'!

 

Yet history shows us; The Fenn developed and transmuted and is still with us and, in a recognisable form yet, killing rabbits to this day. The Juby however maintaned it's overall basic type and structure. Now it's long since been given up, if not lost completely as a rabbit trap.

 

What If ....? I'm no Trap Designer, Engineer or Metalurgist. No good looking at me. But, what if someone were to take the lighter, faster, stronger Coil Springs now available and used on American Steel Traps?

 

Those traps still work on the basic principle of two opposing 'arms' being snatched together by springs. Some even look recognisably like our Juby trap.

 

I'm guessing that, today, there must be some alloy which could be used to forn the base for a 'New Juby'? Something lighter and possibly cheaper? The springs exist. The basic designs are no secret.

 

Imbra traps use a completely different steel in their jaws. And those are popular to this day! Why, I wonder, did they feel they had to make the Juby so damn heavy and out of such 'hard' steels? I don't know. In fact, I've said about as much as I Do know now. But it's got me pondering imponderables

 

This could become a good Thread!

ditchy, do you no of any traps made in the states that resemble Jubys or Imbras,as i would like to take a look and have a fiddle before taking the next step

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

American traps that liik like Juby's? I believe there's a fair few, mate. Unfortunately, I don't have the material easily to hand right now.

 

Try a Google search on CLUTCH TRAP. That's what they call their own 'Pincer' type traps. There was one called the " Laramee ". It was, like the Fenn Mk I Vermin, 'Tube Juby' and various others of ours, an almost mythical grail. They knew it had existed. They knew of a few people who even posessed one. But the American Trap Collecting Community pretty well spoke of that one in hushed and hallowed tones.

 

Then a good friend of mine turned up half a dozen or so of them, hanging in some shed! Being the sort of man he was, he simply Gave these priceless relics out to fellow Collectors who he felt had stood the test of time.

 

He's gone now. So are his kind. And I don't suppose any more Laramee's are waiting in any more hidden sheds out there.

 

But that's what ye looking for, mate. " Clutch Traps ".

[OldTrapCollector 377]

Micky,

 

If you're feeling flush there is a pretty rare one on US eBay right now - a LaValley Clutch Trap - have a look

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-ALEXANDER-LAVALLE...1QQcmdZViewItem

 

 

This one is a Cooper Humane clutch trap made in 1927 - similar sort of jaws, only double this time.

 

OTC

[snareman 3]

Micky,

 

If you're feeling flush there is a pretty rare one on US eBay right now - a LaValley Clutch Trap - have a look

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-ALEXANDER-LAVALLE...1QQcmdZViewItem

 

 

This one is a Cooper Humane clutch trap made in 1927 - similar sort of jaws, only double this time.

 

OTC

ditchy, i would have left them hanging in the shed , imagine carrying a dozen of those just to catch a rabbit or two. just the look of it frightens me never mind a bagfull.