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[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

calls herself an animal lover and donates to the arsepca yet in her words would love to kill my dogs [shes a cat lover] shes even laid poison on the public footpath hopin dogs would pick it up,

 

 

That's about as illegal as it gets, mate!

 

Jesus! Perhaps ye should report that shit to someone? Police likely have 'better things to worry about' ..... who then? Oh, yes! Of course! The Arse pc f*cking A! " The (Self Styled) 'Animal Police' ".

 

A " Self Investigating Charity " ( ) with Political overtones closely allied to those of people like Edward Mosely!

 

They'd probably send her an Award, mate

[Guest ESS]

calls herself an animal lover and donates to the arsepca yet in her words would love to kill my dogs [shes a cat lover] shes even laid poison on the public footpath hopin dogs would pick it up,

 

 

That's about as illegal as it gets, mate!

 

Jesus! Perhaps ye should report that shit to someone? Police likely have 'better things to worry about' ..... who then? Oh, yes! Of course! The Arse pc f*cking A! " The (Self Styled) 'Animal Police' ".

 

A " Self Investigating Charity " ( ) with Political overtones closely allied to those of people like Edward Mosely!

 

They'd probably send her an Award, mate

 

or a black shirt

[leegreen 2,153]

Perhaps one day the RSPCA will be exposed to the wider population as being primarily a commercial, not welfare, organisation.

 

Aye, mate. Only, as the article also points out; Those b*stards are already passed masters at hiding, denying and down right Lying about such places.

 

Look at how, just in the last couple of years or so, they went after them (the private Shelters) full on? Last I heard they were demanding the govt. give THEM the right to police such outfits and say who stayed and who got busted.

 

Hearing that, Lee? This is the sort of shit I'm on about, mate.

 

 

Makes me quite sick to think that biased twats maybe monopolizing animal welfare.

[TOPPER 1,809]

pc plod coudnt give a shit all they said was dont go near there, and as for the aspca i wouldnt waste my breath shes most likely there no 1 donater.

 

what she needs is some of that blue solution and let her see how it feels or a lead injection,

[Scallywag 78]

As a matter of interest, are there figures for the number of dogs destroyed by the RSPCA or in council funded pounds in the UK?

I help out at a voluntary, breed specific rescue. Some of the pounds contact us if they have a dog in that fits the criteria, but more than one won't work with rescues at all, so even if they have dogs we could take off their hands and rehome they won't let us have them.

Contracts go to the lowest tender based on price and nothing else and care for the animals is irrelevant. Even basic knowledge is sometimes missing - pounds don't seem to be able to identify breeds and on more than one occasion have mistaken dogs for bitches and vice versa.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

SW; As far as I'm aware, it'd be the Arsepca Death Camps where the vast majority of Dogs in uk are killed off. Councils tend to leave it to them. I believe Battersea has it's own set up. What may go on at the hands of vets, at the behest of private Rescues, I have no idea. But it'd be the wholesale slaughter being undertaken by the Arsepca which will have PETA clapping their hands in glee.

 

Of course, the Arsepca are very fond of figures. They use the number of kills they produce to generate more money for themselves and thus like to brandish those figures. Swift poke around Google should come up with some. I have a file on here somewhere detailing what they do with some of their annual millions. Rushing through here just yet, but I'll take a look at that later today.

[Guest WILF]

A very interesting thread............

 

I pretty much agree with Blue Cayote.........but some other points

 

1. Burns or the book author dont suggest a workable alternative............what happens when the "kill" policy stops and the "re-home" centres are swamped with more animals than homes?

 

2. Human nature.............most folk will cost themselves a tenner to save a fiver, and when they think they could earn a nice few bob out of a litter then they do it!!...........money, money, money........of which Burns and his site are as guilty as sin becuase you only have to look at the adverts to know which camp he sits in!!.......FACT!

 

3. The above point proves what most know, and that is Burns is a sanctimoneous (spel?) tit...........all very well preaching to his devotees (and trying to flog his mates book in the process).........if he is that bothered by to many puppys being bred then he should start with himself and his website........(Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone huh!)

 

In conclusion, yes its wrong, yes we all know it happens but you will never stop it.......Burns and his cohorts, PETA, RSPCA........they all stink of double standards.........and shit loads of money.

 

And yes Ditch, I did read the whole article.............

 

Congratulations DS, a worthy and thought prevoking thread..............

Edited April 6, 2008 by WILF

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Wilf; Ye've rather lost me on two or three points, mate. I'm not about to try to pick ye response apart. But I'll seperate out bits just so I can address them clearly:

 

 

1. Burns or the book author dont suggest a workable alternative............what happens when the "kill" policy stops and the "re-home" centres are swamped with more animals than homes?

 

 

Ye say " When ". And what happens 'when' the sun fizzles out? Point is, they aren't being swamped. They work in varied areas and, by doing things 'right' - or certainly differently - they're managing comfortably in their areas.

 

Now; If PETA, Arsepca, HSUS, all the other Death Camp proprioters were to stop dead tomorrow? Yes, I dare say there would be a sudden bottleneck. But that, it looks to me, would be because there'd be a Lot of places where no one's killing Dogs off and yet there'd, for a time, be a vaccum before others started following the examples of the Shelters who don't operate like Bergen Belson.

 

 

2. Human nature.............most folk will cost themselves a tenner to save a fiver, and when they think they could earn a nice few bob out of a litter then they do it!!...........money, money, money........of which Burns and his site are as guilty as sin becuase you only have to look at the adverts to know which camp he sits in!!.......FACT!

 

 

No. I niether see the reasoning beyond the personal bile in that statement or the justification for it. It's obviously a gratuitous swipe at Pat Burns, who you clearly detest. Fair enough, as far as That goes. But not here. Please

 

Myself; I don't care about who wrote the stuff I'm presenting. Pat Burns himself is only presenting the bulk of it, whilst stitching on his own opinions, as am I. So he and I are really doing the self same thing. We're both more 'Messengers' than anything in all this. Why shoot messengers?

 

 

3. The above point proves what most know, and that is Burns is a sanctimoneous (spel?) tit...........all very well preaching to his devotees (and trying to flog his mates book in the process).........if he is that bothered by to many puppys being bred then he should start with himself and his website........(Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone huh!)

 

 

" He who is without sin " and all that? Pat Burns, like myself, simply does not breed, or allow others to breed from, our Dogs. Period. We appear to share a mutual abhorrence of the KC's. Perhaps the most outwardly differing aspect of our personal views is in the fact that Pat Burns - on his site - quite often and quite actively speaks to Discourage the more casual aquasition of a Dog. He point out how they bark and fart and dig and cost a considerable ammount in both our money, time and, quite often, patience.

 

Myself? I won't take up that cudgel. If I did, I'd be more likely to use the metaphore towards human children. So I just keep Those opinions to myself (Oh and; Pat and I both got ourselves vasectomised at the earliest oppertunity!)

 

Anyway, Your 'above', Wilf, only 'proves' that ye Really don't like Pat Burns. I haven't asked Anyone to like the man. He's irellevent to all this. He's simply a sounding board, as am I. This isn't a discussion about personalities and who likes who. It's only serving to divert attentions which would be far more beneficially focused on the core issues. Thanks.

 

 

In conclusion, yes its wrong, yes we all know it happens but you will never stop it. PETA, RSPCA they all stink of double standards.........and shit loads of money.

 

 

There. Now ye see how uncomplicated and truthful that comes across, with just the simple removal of that personal attack on someone who really has little bearing on this overall discussion? Indeed, left like it is now, it's brought us nicely back on track:

 

Can we ever stop them? Them and all their ever growing Millions?

 

 

Nice question, Wilf! And ye know what? I think it contains within itself the seeds of a positive answer.

 

 

Anybody care to track my thoughts here and give their own version of my vision? That could be quite interesting and will, hopefully, get this discussion firmly back on track, before anything else sets it all for derailment.

 

Why waste all this?

[Guest WILF]

What I am saying is, they all pretend to condem the very thing they help to fuel..........as does anyone who just breeds to sell and then condems cruelty.

 

So anyway, lets cut to the chase........is your question "How do you stop the kill policy?"...........

 

Well in simple terms.........you wont.........unless there is a move to restrict owning animals just as China restrict how many children can be born to a family.

 

Would anyone really want to go down that road?...........more loss of liberty in the name of enlightenment?

 

Will all know how much pain and suffering the enlightened figures in history have cast down upon the great un-washed.........

 

The fact is, with animals there will allways be a surplus and a surplus needs to be culled.......

 

Look forward to your response..........this is very enjoyable.

[BlueCoyote 0]

i think the culling factor has lost its popularity. why? "because its cruel!! killing a perfectly useful dog! so what if he cant guard/hunt/retrieve/herd/see/hear/smell/etc and so on!! he'll be a nice pet for SOMEONE!!" you can thank Disney for that i'm sure....

So everyone feels sorry for the useless ugly puppy and they dont want to drown him.. so they pass him on to someone else who cant handle him.. because even though he is a bad working dog he doesnt know that and destroys a nice apartment or terrorizes the community.. and while he's at it he impregnates some one elses pet dog.. and do you see the cycle?

OR the useless puppy goes to a "No-Kill" shelter so he can sit on a shelf with no training or interaction with other animals or people.... then another litter or mass of animals comes through, theres no room.. the dogs that have been there the longest get shuffled out the door to another shelter where they may or may not be killed....

 

instead of "breeders" doing their jobs and culling the unwanted pups they hand them over as pets with the promise to spay or neuter.. which often times isnt even honoured.... i dont blame breeders totally... but they are certainly a factor in it when they dont keep their eyes on the target and let their bleeding hearts make a mess everywhere.

 

i dont see an end to it without gov. involvement. and i'm sick to death of those ass clowns sticking their faces in my business already.... people just need to do the right thing for THEMSELVES instead of asking or forcing someone else to do it for them. this generation is filled with cop-outs and puss's that think for themselves nor can they finish a task they have set out to do.

 

i am particularly bitter about it because my cousin is included in the crowd and because i love animals as much as i do i often times end up bottle feeding dying puppies that came from her over bred dogs.. i wont do it again though. when the last puppy died i firmly decided it was better for him to be dead than get healthy and go right back to her so she can breed more....

Edited April 8, 2008 by BlueCoyote

[Andrea 2]

i think the culling factor has lost its popularity. why? "because its cruel!! killing a perfectly useful dog! so what if he cant guard/hunt/retrieve/herd/see/hear/smell/etc and so on!! he'll be a nice pet for SOMEONE!!" you can thank Disney for that i'm sure....

So everyone feels sorry for the useless ugly puppy and they dont want to drown him.. so they pass him on to someone else who cant handle him.. because even though he is a bad working dog he doesnt know that and destroys a nice apartment or terrorizes the community.. and while he's at it he impregnates some one elses pet dog.. and do you see the cycle?

OR the useless puppy goes to a "No-Kill" shelter so he can sit on a shelf with no training or interaction with other animals or people.... then another litter or mass of animals comes through, theres no room.. the dogs that have been there the longest get shuffled out the door to another shelter where they may or may not be killed....

 

instead of "breeders" doing their jobs and culling the unwanted pups they hand them over as pets with the promise to spay or neuter.. which often times isnt even honoured.... i dont blame breeders totally... but they are certainly a factor in it when they dont keep their eyes on the target and let their bleeding hearts make a mess everywhere.

 

i dont see an end to it without gov. involvement. and i'm sick to death of those ass clowns sticking their faces in my business already.... people just need to do the right thing for THEMSELVES instead of asking or forcing someone else to do it for them. this generation is filled with cop-outs and puss's that think for themselves nor can they finish a task they have set out to do.

 

i am particularly bitter about it because my cousin is included in the crowd and because i love animals as much as i do i often times end up bottle feeding dying puppies that came from her over bred dogs.. i wont do it again though. when the last puppy died i firmly decided it was better for him to be dead than get healthy and go right back to her so she can breed more....

 

Heavy stuff but i also agree with you. I firmly believe the issue here is about over breeding, and i do blame bad breeders (or puppy peddlers, as they should be known).

For these people, materialism comes before a life.

Prevention is better than cure. If there wasn’t so many breeders in it for the cash, we wouldn’t have such a large quantity of surplus dogs.

[littlefish 585]

i think the culling factor has lost its popularity. why? "because its cruel!! killing a perfectly useful dog! so what if he cant guard/hunt/retrieve/herd/see/hear/smell/etc and so on!! he'll be a nice pet for SOMEONE!!" you can thank Disney for that i'm sure....

So everyone feels sorry for the useless ugly puppy and they dont want to drown him.. so they pass him on to someone else who cant handle him.. because even though he is a bad working dog he doesnt know that and destroys a nice apartment or terrorizes the community.. and while he's at it he impregnates some one elses pet dog.. and do you see the cycle?

OR the useless puppy goes to a "No-Kill" shelter so he can sit on a shelf with no training or interaction with other animals or people.... then another litter or mass of animals comes through, theres no room.. the dogs that have been there the longest get shuffled out the door to another shelter where they may or may not be killed....

 

instead of "breeders" doing their jobs and culling the unwanted pups they hand them over as pets with the promise to spay or neuter.. which often times isnt even honoured.... i dont blame breeders totally... but they are certainly a factor in it when they dont keep their eyes on the target and let their bleeding hearts make a mess everywhere.

 

i dont see an end to it without gov. involvement. and i'm sick to death of those ass clowns sticking their faces in my business already.... people just need to do the right thing for THEMSELVES instead of asking or forcing someone else to do it for them. this generation is filled with cop-outs and puss's that think for themselves nor can they finish a task they have set out to do.

 

i am particularly bitter about it because my cousin is included in the crowd and because i love animals as much as i do i often times end up bottle feeding dying puppies that came from her over bred dogs.. i wont do it again though. when the last puppy died i firmly decided it was better for him to be dead than get healthy and go right back to her so she can breed more....

 

Heavy stuff but i also agree with you. I firmly believe the issue here is about over breeding, and i do blame bad breeders (or puppy peddlers, as they should be known).

For these people, materialism comes before a life.

Prevention is better than cure. If there wasn’t so many breeders in it for the cash, we wouldn’t have such a large quantity of surplus dogs.

 

Some truths written there.

 

Wilf mentions China...........differentt attitude to dogs there alright!

 

What is the answer?

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

is your question "How do you stop the kill policy?"...........

 

Whilst it'll never be even seriously curtailed in my time left; Yes. At least staunch the flow as best we can.

 

 

Instead of "breeders" doing their jobs and culling the unwanted pups.

 

 

 

Prevention is better than cure.

 

Aha! Someone has a clue ....!

 

 

What is the answer?

 

 

 

Sorry I've been away from this one, peeps. Time hasn't been my own, I've had pc hang ups and I wanted to be able to sit back and relax with a few of the more meaty Threads tonight. Things generally calm down for me around now, so .....

 

Yeppers. It'd be an astronomically foolish delusion to think one could ever bring about a halt to All, or even the major part of, 'Dog Wastage' world wide. As I type this, American Troops in Iraq are tossing puppies off cliffs (It's on You Tube) and shooting Dogs for 'a laugh' (That's on there too). Somewhere out there, PETA employees are cruising around looking for unattended Dogs to snatch off the streets and rush back to HQ for destruction. In a few hours from now, the gates will open at countless Arsepca shelters and the mundane, daily slog of killing off as many Dogs as a shift permits will grind back into action. " Lurcher Boys " and " Dog Men " will be pronouncing the latest in a long line as " Jibbers ", tying them to fences and swinging spades at their heads. And so on. And it'll keep going on.

 

Mheanwhile, their Feeders will be leading Stud Dogs to Brood Bitches in puppy factories, in fancy 'Breeding Kennel' establishments and back yards all over.

 

That's the status quo. Dip into that queer soup and ye can fish out anything and everything from 'Big Money to Psychosis to plain, old fashioned Sadism, masquerading as " Being Proper ".

 

 

What can one, a dozen, a hundred or even a thousand people do about all that? Not a lot, I grant ye. But every One person Can stand up and say; " F*cked if I'll be part of it. " Doing that is only just a teentzi bit harder than saying, " F*ck it; They're all at it. Why shouldn't I cut me a slice of that cake too? ".

 

Instead of "breeders" doing their jobs and culling the unwanted pups.

 

 

No. How about " Breeders " get themselves a proper f*cking job. Something that can Benefit society? Rather than sitting around watching Dogs f*ck?

 

Why breed Dogs? If I want a Dog - just about Any type, for Any purpose? I can go find one needing a home. If I want a lap Dog? I can go to a Shelter and pick up some poor wretch who won't kill things for their former, disgusted owner. If I want a brutal and vicious 'Guard Dog'? Same place. Only look for one who's size and scarey looks, perhaps, appealed to some idiot who then discovered they weren't up to handling such a Serious Dog. And so on. All colours and persuasions of Dogs are being executed every day. Because the wrong people buy them from " Breeders ".

 

And who are these " Breeders "? Half the people on this very forum, to start with, I'd imagine? Come to that; Probably the vast majority of American Bulldog owners are already, or plan to soon become, " Breeders " of their own Dogs. They're flavour on the month for a little while yet. Already the Chavs are chopping their " Pit Bulls " in for this larger breed. I've sat here and watched as the very people who scream in disgust that the next man should be asking three figures for some potentially top flight lurkers have, in their next breath, boasted of how they and their mates back yard union has been netting them three, pushing even four figures per pup. For what? For ABD's these self ascribed " Dog Evaluation Expets " describe as being posessed of " Great Prey Drive ". Really? Do these idiots own a Bite Suit? Would they know a good PenHip from a scotch egg? Pffftt!

 

The show fraternity? Breed several litters. Wipe out the vast majority as they grow. Put the freaks ye were looking for back to their own parents and siblings. Lock in this new " Look ". Get a nice rossette. FFS! And those ye can't be arsed to kill - or figure ye can make a 'Killing' from? Flog them off to who ever writes the cheque. What ever the breed. Who ever the customer. No longer your problem, is it?

 

" Hunters "? We never used that term in my time. Certainly not as a personal adornement of engrandisement, as it's used on line today. Like so much Chav Bling. Maybe we were just more 'isolated' then? Saw things more simply truthfully? Our Dogs were considered the Hunters. We just tagged along behind them, holding their leads. Marks " JOE ". Johnny's " SPRING ". That's how Working Dogs were spoken of then. With Respect and even Awe for the Dog. Not the happy fortunate who happened to call the thing his.

 

Nowadays, and long since, I've sat in on Chat Room sessions where blokes have been arranging to chop and change Dogs like a beer tasting. " Here; Have a go with this. See what you think of it. " " Who's got Gerrys red Dog now? Didn't Colin have him last? Oh? Oh, he Jibbed with Frank did he? Oh well; F*ckin waster! Dog was shit anyway. "

 

I once pulled a Sixteen year old, with a Long string of " Culled " Dogs he'd pronounced " Jibbers " and " Wasters " to his tender years behind him, aside. " Just who the f*cking hell taught you to buy a Dog. Run it on the way home and ..... it never necessarily Get home with ye?! " I asked him. His perfectly happy reply? " Oh, just the Lads on these forums ".

 

So on and so forth. And there's ye problems. A great many of them. How to bring the earth to a halt on its very axis. Get ye shoulder to it. Push. Shove and make it turn the other way? Probably next to impossible.

 

But here's how Any individual can make a start, that others may follow:

 

Ye recognise ye own individuallity. Ye move aside from the mindless herd. Then ye decide what ye want. Why ye want it. And what ye going to do with it when ye get it. Then go get it - carefully.

 

Take enough time and trouble over ye choices and ye'll get what ye were after. Then it's Your Dog. It'll hold no great surprises for ye. It'll just do what it said on the can. All things being equel, ye get to hold that Dogs lead for a decade or so. Then, when it can no longer keep up, ye repeat the whole process, making such adjustments as the times call for. The old Dog being allowed to snooze by the fire and dream of it's own former Glory Days.

 

Ye don't breed it. Plenty more like it will be around when the time comes. Ye don't Whack it, after ye've over stretched it's known limitations, with ye own limitless ego, till it " Jibbs ". Ye don't chuck it in for a newer, sexier, later model. Want that? It was Your responsibility to work out ye'd Wanted a more " Bully " or what ever type in the first place. If " BullX's " didn't exist when ye bought ye Collie Gray? Well f*ck; How come You never worked out such a cross would be perfect for you? Are ye not a " Dog Man "?

 

No. Ye Think till ye head hurts. Ye plan ye 'Perfect Dog'. Then ye scour the earth for just such a Dog. And he becomes Your Dog and ye stick with him like only he in the whole wide world will stick with you.

 

See? No rocket science in it. Ye don't produce litters? Less Dogs on the conveyer. Ye don't pass him on? One less Dog on the conveyer. Ye don't hand him over to the Arsepca as 'Found'? One less Dog to be murdered in cold blood by them.

 

Getting the idea now? It's hard, So Hard, I know, to comprehend all this. Like; One man chooses One Dog for A purpose and Sticks with it. Takes some getting ye head round, doesn't it? I mean; Why not a yard full of ever changing faces? Breed what ever catches ye fancy - or just happens to throw heat - with that thing on ye mates yard. Flog them off to ye other mates - more faces to change about in Their yards ..... No. Sorry. That's Wrong.

 

But, if just One of the Thousand plus looks at this Thread can See that it's wrong and so join people like myself, Pat Burns, one or two Good Men on this very forum in trying to do it Right? Then that's a start. That's all I'm trying to say here.

 

Now, before ye start hitting keys in response, please think: Are ye about to argue with Me, because ye see some fundamental flaw in my personal assertion? Fine. Are ye going to try and use this Thread to get at some third party? Futile. Are ye feeling, I've taken a pop at You somewhere above? Ye mistaken.

 

Or is it just plain and simple enough that I've spoken what ye'd rather not hear? Held a mirror up and ye pissed that ye saw ye own, ugly reflection in it?

 

Guilty? I can't help that. That's with you. Change it or just learn to live with it. I'm not perfect myself. But I'm not part of the problem either.

[Guest WILF]

One point from your response above DS, you talk as though it is simply a question of selecting the right mix of dog for its prospective owner and as long as that is correct, its job done..........

 

Well, its not is it!...............if they dont do the job you want them for, then they will have to "go"...........now wheather that means rehoming or culling, they still have to go.

 

A dog is not a machine, it has a mind and no amount of carefull selection will make a wimp into a superhero if it dont have the mind to be one.........

 

And only culling or sterilisation will stop a repeat performance..........

 

I still believe that the "kill policy" is essential when dealing with animals.........a sad fact, but a fact none the less

 

And, I am afraid that all the time money and dogs are in the same mix, it will continue to be so..........

 

Blue Cayote has is valid in stating that responsable breeders will cull the runts, they could farm them out on the cheap.

But only by keeping the best and culling the rest will "good" dogs get there dotage by the fireside........because they earned it!!

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Ye know, Wilf; I looked in here and found only your response. I was about to ask ye, as I was asking myself; Why is this? A forum with certainly hundreds, if not the odd thousand, or people with Dogs. And yet it's really getting to seem like a private conversation between us two. We'd may as well be sat at a bar.

 

Then it struck me why this is. Because I started it in here. " Working Dog Health & Training Talk ". I guess that, in itself, says a lot about too many of the others. They're just too busy beating their chests and slapping up their " Pre Ban " kill photo's with their recently announced latest aquisitions that they really have no time or interest for mundane, 'un macho' shit like Training their Dogs.

 

And, if it's health fails? F*ck it. They know plenty cheaper ways of getting a Dog to be out with tomorrow night that bothering with vet's. A new Dog's much cheaper than fixing the last one. Remember too that I'm actually just repeating what I hear from these Modern " Hunters " themselves. I've spent months and months having to monitor their talk in Chat. Frankly? I couldn't make up half the shit I hear in there. I haven't got that much imagination.

 

I; " talk as though it is simply a question of selecting the right mix of dog for its prospective owner and as long as that is correct, its job done. "

 

No, ye misunderstood what I was trying to say. What I meant was that one can't (or shouldn't) go picking a " Beddi Whippet " if one has dreams of The Fen's. Horses for courses. To put it another way; 'A man's got to know his Dogs limitations.'

 

And that brings us to two slightly similar points, divergent as they stem from that one; In no particular order then, let's say " Jibbers ". I genuinely heard one guy nonchallantly inform one of his cronies that a certain Dog " Didn't come home " one night, because it had 'Jibbed' on its FITH fox in a row.

 

Now, where the hell's the thinking there? Do you see through that shit? I can't. As a comparison; I've heard - in my time - a conversation that went very much along these lines:

 

" My Dog stayed to a badger / Well, MY Dog stayed Longer! / Ah, but was Your badger 'Experienced'? / I'd say my badger had seen a Dog before, sure! / Oh yeah? Well; How d'ye reckon Your Dog would hold up if he had TWO Experienced badgers to contend with, at the same time? I bet he'd prove a jibber! " I mean, jesus sake, Wilf; Can you fathom That f*cking mentality???

 

As I've already said, above; It's the f*cking DOG that's the 'Hunter'. I grew up learning to Revere a good Dog. To admire what it could do. But now? Far and away too many of these kids seem to think what ever their mates Dog, or the Dog down the road, or some f*cking mythical beast they heard about in an internet Chat Room or forum Must be beaten - by Their latest Dog. And, if he doesn't do it right fresh out of the pokey kennel they just bought it out of, on the way home? That 'Useless piece of shit jibber' ain't going home. How the F*ck has this come about???

 

 

Now to the other sub thread that stems from the 'horses for courses' thing; Time was - definately in my time - when a man decided what path he felt drawn to follow. Be it Ferreter. Moucher. Hare Courser or Deer Poacher. And he got the type of Dog best suited to his game. Only - and here's the Earth Shattering bit; He'd choose a pup and then Live With that awkward, gangly little shit stick - most often inside his home, with him, incidentally - and would try to show it and teach it everything he knew how.

 

Those Dogs got to take on much of the character of their owners. It was That close a bond. The guys loved their Dogs and the Dogs would do their uttmost for them. And most of those Dogs were kept by casual, even if somewhat habitual, poachers. What we now call 'Mouchers'. All that was expected of them was to catch what ever they were sent after. And no one sent their Beddie Whippet after Fallow. No one demanded twice as many foxes as last night. Lurkers were bought between groups of friends who knew who, in the neighbourhood, was breeding his Local Hero of a Dog to another, known, mans Notorious Bitch. Some pups turned out better than others, naturally. Some guys got to be smugger than others. Of course. But; The " Dog Men " came to the surface.

 

Why? Because they were the guys who could make a silk purse out of another mans 'sows ear'.

 

 

I'll leave it there, mate. For now. Late enough and I'm relaxing with some Jameson's and cruising at just the right altitude just now. I don't want to lapse into 'Burble' mode!

 

I will say; It's sad that there's so little meaningful input coming into this Thread from the Forum. But maybe that's ok as it is? Over a Thousand look ins? The buggers are reading it. Good. They're paying attention and keeping the barracking out of it? That's nice. This way those with something to say can say it, without this being twisted into a testosterone drenched, teenage shit fest