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[J Darcy 5,871]

i have read about those burrels tumbler types and wondered if there is anyone out there that knows of one that excells at all quarry?>.. has anyone seen one working????? and what exactly are they??????? i have heard there is all sorts in them....

[Guest HAWKEYE]

Mate... in EDRD a couple of years back..There was an official handwritten pedigree with the full lineage of his stock. Its quite an eye opener to see the amoount of well know dogs in this ancient types pedigree...Did you also know he invented the saluki greyhound??? :11:

[Stabs 3]

I'd love to know how these dogs are bred. I've always been wary of folk with something to sell but I could be wrong in this instance. I thought those articles in EDRD were little more than a sales pitch, which if I'm honest I don't really like to see, but if these dogs are the real thing then lets hear about it.

 

Am I right in thinking they've got husky in them? And didn't Mr. Burrell want to breed JRearthdogs Airedales/Airedale crosses into his line?

[Guest simonw]

i read the article, amongst others of that issue, a good article by yourself J.D, but i would have thought more would have written truthfully, just like the said article.

 

how can you compare the types used by different folk for different jobs, it is impossible, ferreting, foxes, deer or whatever, wherever.

 

as for the tumblers, i can only speak of what i have seen, heard and found. i have seen a few on my travels round the various corners of the UK i visit during the summer and the same responce is met, the same as you would find with any other cross, you get a blinding, good or bad dog but that isnt always down to the dog.

 

if they were that good, firstlymore would be said, shown and indeed heard. i cannot speak for the bigger stuff only my quarry, the rabbit :search:, if such magical beasts were available, well, the people who i know would have one or at least seen them work as if so good a lot of folk would have one, but they dont.

 

the rabbiter/ferreter each has their own choice be it collie/beddy/cattle cum kelpie etc etc but how many tumblers are ever thrown in, none.

 

i may be wrong, i usually am but, the whole story seams to smell like another hancock, writing to promote a certain breeding for profit, just ask how much the pups are and how long you have to wait, just doesnt add up to me, but then again, i may be wrong.

 

like catchphrase, i can only say what i see :11: :11:

[Guest jrearthdog1]

stabs

 

he contacted me about an airedale pup at first but in talking to him we talked about my plains on doing the airedale-x he said that thats what he will wait for and that he would be willing to pay me £350.00 for a pup :11: i said that he could have one and i would maybe take one of his pups to try ,the only thing that he said as to why he wants the airedale in is line was to inprove the feet

 

Ian

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

J.D-Forget the ultimate dog of any breed.The nearest you will get is a lurcher that is mediocre at some forms of hunting but excells at another.Lurchers have been bred worldwide for thousands of years and the ultimimate hunter would be around by now.The best thing any of us can do is start with a pup from the right breeding ,from a bitch that fits our idea of what we want to work,and introduce that pup bit by bit to each quarry.Some lurchers develop a knack for feather whereas some never take to it.Some relish the challenge of bigger or biteback quarry.Some will never get past the rabbit stage and only make half hearted puts at anything bigger.Brains, courage,stamina and speed are a lot of attributes to

breed into any one dog.One usually overrides the rest and this overriding factor will determine the dogs uses for hunting.

Settle for a lurcher that does a couple of things properly and not a lot of things poorly.This will offend a lot of lurcher lads Im sure but if your honest, you will know that your lurcher has its flaws.

Foxdropper

[Guest knocavoeboy]

the post i put up before. my mate was supposed to have this type of lurcher. his was a norfolk dog to a greyhound bitch. he now has son of this dog out of another greyhound bitch. so it really 3/4 grey. the father was very good dog he was heavy built and very hard. the son is lighter and a bit swifter. only test they have not had is deer. i dont know how the grandsire came to be in my area he was called striker and owned by a local gamekeeper. folks round my way are not ossessed with breeding nor is there the big money or organised coursing. just ordinary blokes lamping and such like. the line is suppose to be a norfolk lurcher i suppose i should research it more. i hope to get a pup form this lineat some stage. there is a half sister to my mates dog in out group of friends so an opportunity to line breed is there in the future. i would not say he excells at every quarry but jack of all trades yet master of none would sum up. hes seen here in the place id be happy to have him on the slip ready for action.

[macker 5]

have asked alot about these tumbler crosses.

with no info at all from hunting folk.

the only thing i know is that there is alot of breeds in the type.

tought i read there was husky in them too.

[Guest Eggers]

Never heard of a "tumbler", let alone a "burrels tumbler" (just a dumb yank after all ). How are they defined? Are there others besides burrels?

[Guest reload]

Look here for more info http://www.lurchers.org.uk/

 

I have only spoken to a few folk who have had them and didnt get on with them.

Ring him up if you want a really really long conversation.....

It makes me chuckle that its a BREED and Welfare club

[nighttimenellie 4]

I have no experience of these dogs, but im sure i read somewhere that if entered correctly these dogs will excell at everything,and i have no evidence to dispute this, think ill get one for christmass.

[Guest knocavoeboy]

hey mr darcy were you aware prior to starting this thread that you came in for some mild critcism on the web site for which a link is provided above.

[Simoman 110]

Hey JD, are you a boy courser or lamper? :11: :11:

 

Why anyone would want to intentionally introduce husky into a lurcher line is beyond me. Unless the dog will catch rabbit, hare, deer and fox and then tow the lot home in a sled :11:

 

Sorry let me sit down and take my medication

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Having read the link Im not sure why anyone wishes to preserve a strain of lurcher which never became popular either as the 1st cross or line bred.[other than a collector I suppose].

Nothing about this breeding suggests anything superior to whats commenly available today.

This tumbler cross sight hound will be forgotten along with heeler crosses and Handcock lurchers which are overrated in my book.They are all fashion lurchers and thier time has gone.If they were any good then wed all have one ?.

Stick with what you know and dont waste time on chasing the ULTIMATE lurcher.

[macker 5]

very well said foxdropper.

its easy to say on paper that a strain is the ultimate lurcher.

its seeing them in the field thats puts us all straight.

honestly think that a litter of ultimate lurchers has yet to be born.

people that try to keep their pups close and breed from the best ones

in my eyes people like this are alot closer to sucess than

people that claim they have these dogs and sell the hole litter.

not trying to start anything.

i just think its a hard enough game to get what we want from our dogs.

every litter has pups that are not up to scratch even hole litters

can be.when the its a proven line in the field or not.

so what chance have these puppy farms.

not saying good ones dont come from them.

but they do breed a fair few too.