runningdog 1 Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 any one used a rodenator? we had one on demo today. tried it on some moles and a few rabbit holes. they look f*****g leathel to me. give it 6 months and they will be banned... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leveller Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Yes I went out with a keeper last week to see it work and I didn't see it do anything impressive, to be honest I don't like the idea of them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rolfe 2 Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 There is ongoing discussion as we speak regarding the legality or otherwise of this type of equipment, and whether it complies with all the current legislation and its conditions of use. Watch this space....!!!!!!!!! Rolfe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ditch_Shitter Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 DEFRA / Natural England have already put out a statement on those things: 'Forget It!!!' is the gist of their message. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ditch_Shitter Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Here's the Full Shit. Posted elsewhere, 18th March by Iain; A guy in the know: " This is a recent statement on the Rodenator (and similar devices) issued by Natural England. The BPCA and the NPTA will shortly be issuing a joint statement urging their members not to use such devices. I hear that the RSPCA may be getting involved with a few recent cases where such devices have been used, which could lead to some prosecutions. Regards, Iain Turner NPTA Natural England Wildlife Management & Licensing Natural England calls on Rodenator users to heed the law. Controlling rabbits, rats and other pests has never been easy but recently a novel pest control device (known as the “Rodenatorâ€) has made its way into the UK market. Natural England, the Government’s conservation adviser, is warning users that they could be committing an offence if they use devices such as the “Rodenator†in England as a means of killing pests. In recent years the range of control techniques available to manage some of the most problematic species affecting agriculture has narrowed, most notably with the loss of both “Cymag†(used for rabbits and rats) and strychnine (used for moles). Understandably, there has been growing interest in novel techniques to plug the gap. The Rodenator has received widespread interest. It involves the use of a device that injects an explosive mixture of propane gas and oxygen into a tunnel system which is then electronically ignited. The claim is that the resulting shock wave will kill any animals that are present and collapse the burrows. Devices of this type were first developed in the United States in the 1990s to control a wide range of burrowing mammals and are now being imported into Europe and the UK to deal with rabbits, rats and moles. Although designed to kill, as the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs made clear in a public statement in May 2007, Rodenator type devices must not be used for killing wild animals in this country. Legally, they can be used to collapse burrows and tunnels if there are no animals present, and used in this fashion they do not require a licence or Defra approval (no licences have been issued despite claims to the contrary e.g. Farmers Weekly 22 Feb). Representatives of the pest control industry and animal welfare organisations have expressed concerns to Natural England following reports of apparent illegal use, and a case involving the deaths of wild rabbits was recently documented in the veterinary journal, Veterinary Record. Cases have also been drawn to the attention of the police. The maximum penalty for using an explosive, other than ammunition for a firearm, to kill wild animals is £5,000 and six months in prison. There is a similar penalty for asphyxiating any wild animal with intent to inflict unnecessary suffering, which is a potential consequence of incomplete destruction of an occupied burrow system. Natural England has serious concerns about the use of these devices to collapse burrows because of the practical difficulties of ensuring that burrows and tunnels are free of animals. Claims that it takes “one minute per burrow to do the job†and that the device can be used to destroy 250-300 rabbit burrows a day (Farmers Weekly 22 Feb) give rise to concern. Although a thorough and ideally repeated gassing operation using an approved pesticide could eliminate rabbits in a warren system it is unlikely that other techniques including the use of ferrets, would do the job sufficiently. The findings of one study confirmed that on average, only 36% of the rabbit population was captured when one ferreting operation was undertaken. Pest controllers, farmers or anyone else considering using such equipment to collapse empty burrows are advised to carefully consider whether or not they are confident that their proposed use of the device will be legal. Users should: • Take all reasonable precautions to minimise the risk that the burrows are occupied by ANY wild animals, making sure that you know which species that use burrows are found in the local area. Placing twigs across entrances can help assess burrow use by larger animals, but don’t forget some species hibernate in other species’ burrows. • If burrows are occupied, or likely to be occupied, by a problem species, the burrow system will need to be cleared of animals before it can be collapsed. This should be carried out using an effective and legal control method. The most appropriate option will depend on the animal concerned and the situation. • If the burrow system is occupied, or likely to be occupied, by other animals and especially by protected species, then the burrow should be left undisturbed. Remember that some species, including amphibians and reptiles, may use burrows belonging to other species. • Make sure that the burrow system is not reoccupied by any animals before the tunnels are collapsed. This will mean preventing access to the tunnels and/or minimising the time interval between clearing the burrows and destroying them. • If you have reason to believe that there are ANY wild animals in the burrows or are likely to be in the burrows then do not collapse them. It is also recommended good practice to keep records of measures taken to assess presence of animals and any efforts made to ensure no wild animals were in the burrows when they were collapsed. These suggestions are offered by way of guidance, and do not in any way lessen the responsibility of users of Rodenator or similar devices to ensure they comply with the law; if in doubt users are advised to seek legal advice. The question is often “could the Rodenator and similar devices ever be used to kill pest species in England?†The simple answer is yes, but only under an appropriate licence as they utilise a prohibited method of killing. Natural England is authorised to grant such licences on behalf of Defra in England. The Welsh Assembly Government and the Scottish Government are responsible for this issue in their respective countries. To date, there have been discussions between Natural England and importers and purchasers to advise them of the regulatory requirements but no licences permitting the use of these devices to kill wild animals have been granted anywhere in the UK and no such devices are ‘Defra approved’. Further advice and information Contact Paul Butt at Natural England. Tel: 01233 811265 email: paul.butt@naturalengland.org.uk " Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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