Running Dogs

[Guest dondog]

Chilli I didn't say all pits are mad then not I have not even said all pits are mad.

I said they need to be, to do what they are supposed to do that is kill dogs.

And the ones I know very well and most I have met as I mentioned every Looney around here seems to have them these days they are mad foaming at the mouth lunatics and as I clearly stated again and will again.

 

I will write this a bit slower for the hard of thinking this does not mean every pit bull is mad or a psychopath or that every first cross is mad cart horse but the potential is there.

 

This does not in the slightest way contradict it's self it is quite clear ,the one's I know and have met have a slate loose but I know this does not mean all are the same.

 

Taffy if a jibe was directed at you would know because I would tell you direct ,this is another example of being over sensitive and down right paranoid.

I never mentioned your dog I said that the genuine first cross pits are heavy and anticipating the long list of pics of skinny ones in an attempt to prove me wrong.

The question is if I am so wrong why are so many making such a fuss ,if your dog is good why give a shit what somebody else thinks.

In the case of your dog it looks a perfectly good dog it may be a world beater it doesn't bother me either way I don't care nor matter it is what you think that matters to you.

 

The fact that your dog is not a first cross and could have come out as any thing from a pure greyhound to a pure pit and anything in between which yours did coming out on the greyhoundy side.

This is not a theory of mine just a scientific fact proven over centuries of hybridising

Yours really can't be used in an argument about first crosses because as you stated it is not one ,like one is not one.

 

But like I say who cares as long as your happy that's what matters.

And I hope you have many more years crunching foxes like in the pic with her.

 

I hope that has made it clear and now some people might want to answer the original question for Blackbob instead of trying to start an argument from an honest opinion with no anti pit or british bull for that matter just an opinion.

So far most on this link have just complained about my opinion and lost track of the original question.

[LDR 29]

Don, i must admit when i first started to read this post, you did seem to offer yourself up for a slating, but after reading your other comments, it dont seem so bad and yep this post does seem to have come down on you, other than blackbob! Personally what i'd be interested in seeing is the rear view of the picture with both dogs on the rabbit..... .... it looks to me to be a biggish size field from the pic and i wonder what a 'healthy'? rabbit would be doing so far from home........ ..... the only ones i've ever found like that have been dropped for action shots......... :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: ...... "oops, did i say that out loud?".......... :11: :11: :11: :11: :11: :11: :11:

[Guest chilli]

On the aggression point Pit bull are meant to be mad if they are not they are a pussy and are no use for what they were meant for  that is to kill other dogs.

I know two lads who have Pit bulls one of which uses it for what it is meant for and they are just about the most unstable maddest dogs I have ever seen.

 

 

the picture taffy put up ive seen the bitch run before ! a demon on rabbits she is ,

[Guest chilli]

Don, i must admit when i first started to read this post, you did seem to offer yourself up for a slating, but after reading your other comments, it dont seem so bad and yep this post does seem to have come down on you, other than blackbob! Personally what i'd be interested in seeing is the rear view of the picture with both dogs on the rabbit..... .... it looks to me to be a biggish size field from the pic and i wonder what a 'healthy'? rabbit would be doing so far from home........ ..... the only ones i've ever found like that have been dropped for action shots......... :whistle:  :whistle:  :whistle: ...... "oops, did i say that out loud?".......... :11:  :11:  :11:  :11:  :11:  :11:  :11:

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i thought the same mate !! very close to the action

[Guest Nightwalker]

I have had a number of bull xs, I put one down because he was unpredictable, not really safe with kids and I never trusted him myself, I had two first cross bull/greys, both were far too slow for me so I gave them away. I have also had a couple of 3/4 grey / 1/4 bulls at different times, both of these were fast and caught well, but both were bad with other dogs and both were hard mouthed so I couldnt sell what they caught. I ended up eventually parting with both of them for that reason. At a show once I heard the bloke who had the last one off me boasting about how many rabbits and deer his dog had caught and I couldnt help remembering the fur bags of crunched up 'rabbit jelly' it used to produce and the badly damaged deer carcases.

[Guest Nightwalker]

I have had a number of bull xs, I put one down because he was unpredictable, not really safe with kids and I never trusted him myself, I  had two first cross bull/greys, both were far too slow for me so I gave them away. I have also had a couple of 3/4 grey / 1/4 bulls at different times,  both of these were fast and caught well, but both were bad with other dogs and both were hard mouthed so I couldnt sell what they caught. I ended up eventually parting with both of them for that reason. At a show once I heard the bloke who had the last one off me boasting about how many rabbits and deer his dog had caught and I couldnt help remembering the fur bags of crunched up 'rabbit jelly' it used to produce and the badly damaged deer carcases and I couldnt help think that yes it might catch them but they are only fit for dog food or ferret food afterwards.

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[doxhope 2]

Have to agree with some of your statements nightwalker, Ive always been a profit hunter, numbers are my thing, when hunting ALL quarry, so I need a lurcher that can do this job and return me rabbits and hares that I can skin and sell, two of the reasons I dont use bull x's.

[HBG 350]

this is my first cross bull greyhound,the best dog ive ever had,and i've had a few over the years.no problem with kids,other dogs,quick enough to catch hares day or night(not everyone of course)and as good a rabbiter as i've seen.he stands 26 @ the shoulder.a lot of the problems mentioned about the breed in this topic are down to a bad upbringing.if dogs are socialised with kids and other dogs as pups there would'nt be problems when older.and thats the same for any breed.

[HBG 350]

this is my dog with his brother after a nights lamping.

[doxhope 2]

Very true there half bull, I bought in a three quarter bred deerhound x greyhound, an ex keepers dog that had done nothing else but fox work, it had been dragged up rather than brought up, it bit me, me mate and the last straw bit a youngin up the street. Anything with deeround in it is usually guarenteed to have a good temperament, poor socialisation had removed this from this particular dog

[nighttimenellie 4]

Before i start its only fair to state that bullxs are not my type of dog but ill also say i am not anti bullx in anyway, they are just not for me, i can also only state what i have seen, and in no way am i lumping all bullxs together, but all i will say is the ones i have seen work have got a good rep up my neck of the woods amongst lads who like the type, so this is what i have seen in them, they can be b*****ds with other dogs, not all as some i have seen i have left in the van with my dog and never even given a second thought to there being trouble, but the ones that do want trouble can inflict terrible damage to a "normal" lurcher when it does kick off, but as a rule i have never seen one even give a warning growl to a human even the ones that hated other dogs were spot on with people. On the catching of game side, ive seen a few lads on here state they have good stamina, im afraid i havent seen it, have been out lamping hares with them and ran them doubled up with my dogs, which in anyones language are not blistering dogs, and the ones i have seen to be honest were never in the chase and couldnt even get a turn in when the hare had been turned back into it as the other dog just went by it and coursed more or less on it own, also 7 or 8 hares and the dog was knackered , again not proving stamina imo, but i will give the dog credit that it kept going and didnt quit just got realy slow lol, on the rabbit side 15- 25 good rabbits were all that was in them agian not proving good stamina, average maby yes, but good ?not in my eyes, again i must add, that they are not all crunchers as seems to be thought of by some and one i used to go rabbiting with quite a bit was very bidable and retrieved live to hand, on the deer again i found them a bit slow but that by no means they couldnt and didnt take thier fair share, just that i had to be a bit closer with them than with mine, but i wouldnt say anything against them on that front, now we come to the creme de la creme foxing and big foxing, for years i had a thing about them foxing with a big so feckin what an -90 pound dog rattling a 17 pound fox big deal, but ill be honest that was when i had no experience of them, and after seeing them do it, im happy to say i was wrong, they are born for it and are the best tool for the job in my mind i have no doubt about it (although the big deal still enters my mind now and again and i have to push it out lol), whats this post about? now ive read through it iv no idea realy, just trying to put an honest view of the breed from what i have seen, and ive grown to like them more as the years have gone by, will never ever have one, but i respect them for what they do, and i fully understand the lads who have got them in thier blood and stick by them, are they or could they be the ellusive all rounder(if it even exists), not in a month of sundays, but a handy tool none the less , happy hunting.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

First class replie mate.Been reading this for a while and I cant believe how narrow minded some people are?

ANY breed of dog can turn nasty if not properly socialised.

Im not knocking any breed of lurcher for foxing but I will say Ive seen some lads with so called foxdogs whose lurchers hold a fox until the lads run in for the kill.This to me is not exceptable ,I like a dog to kill a fox single handed and for a well entered bullX this is thier fortae,what they excell at.Yes they are bred from some very hard aggressive stuff but when channelled into the right moment through careful entering ,the bullX is the most merciless killer on foxes but will bring a rabbit back live to hand ,10 minutes later.FACT

[Guest Nightwalker]

First class replie mate.Been reading this for a while and I cant believe how narrow minded some people are?

ANY breed of dog can turn nasty if not properly socialised.

Im not knocking any breed of lurcher for foxing but I will say Ive seen some lads with so called foxdogs whose lurchers hold a fox until the lads run in for the kill.This to me is not exceptable ,I like a dog to kill a fox single handed and for a well entered bullX this is thier fortae,what they excell at.Yes they are bred from some very hard aggressive stuff but when channelled into the right moment through careful entering ,the bullX is the most merciless killer on foxes but will bring a rabbit back live to hand ,10 minutes later.FACT

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The Bull x dog I put down was bought as an 8 week old pup, reared and lived in the house with kids and other dogs but still became more and more dangerous unreliable with people as he got older. The other bull x's were reared in the same way but this also didnt seem to make much difference to their attitude to other dogs so I think that the problem was genetic - excess aggression from the pit blood not lack of socialisation.

[Guest koru]

Nightwalker, your bull x's are not the first I have heard of being, aggressive to other dogs, which would make sense after they been bred from generation after generation to be dog aggressive, so some are going to throw back to this.

knowing this you have to be prepared to have a dog with this type of tendency.

Which is fine if you are going to kennel him and just bring him out to work.

But if you want the dog to be something more like a family dog/ working dog,

it brings a big ? to this cross.

[bolio 51]

Thirty five years ago a mates colly/greyhoundxwhippet bitch bit my young sister on the face narrowly missing her eye. There were no pitbulls in the country then so what do we blame, the greyhound, the colly or the whippet?