morgan29 3 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 [bANNED TEXT] do u fink are beter on fox wheaton greyhound for a bull greyhound if us have any pics let us see thaks morgan Quote Link to post
chris hickling 14 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 [bANNED TEXT] do u fink are beter on fox wheaton greyhound for a bull greyhound thaks morgan been dun befor mate ,as good as each other . Quote Link to post
slip 1 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 [bANNED TEXT] do u fink are beter on fox wheaton greyhound for a bull greyhound thaks morgan been dun befor mate ,as good as each other . second that chris bit long in the tooth at this stage very equal capabillites morgan Quote Link to post
morgan29 3 Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 [bANNED TEXT] do u fink are beter on fox wheaton greyhound for a bull greyhound thaks morgan been dun befor mate ,as good as each other . second that chris bit long in the tooth at this stage very equal capabillites morgan thanks mate but a like the wheatons better Quote Link to post
slip 1 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 [bANNED TEXT] do u fink are beter on fox wheaton greyhound for a bull greyhound thaks morgan been dun befor mate ,as good as each other . second that chris bit long in the tooth at this stage very equal capabillites morgan thanks mate but a like the wheatons better like them to have bull meself mate has weaton tell ya next season Quote Link to post
Guest spud. Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 a decent bull x and a decent wheaton x will both kill fox with ease. leave it at that Quote Link to post
Guest oldskool Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 i think bull x greys seem to be easier to come by than wheaten x greys? me, well i like a wheaten cross... i like the look of them and other than that i think theres not much difference in the 2 breeds as regards foxing ability Quote Link to post
francolin 449 Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 comes down to indervidual dogs ability bred right both should do fox ok Quote Link to post
black-spring 18 Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 comes down to indervidual dogs ability bred right both should do fox ok hi guys, new here,,, but here goes, surely it has more to do with the bull or wheaten used,,, from my very limited knowledge the bull x I have seen and been told about, the people who own them have little or no clue as to the bull that went into them? Staff, Irish staff, pit etc,,,, not sure if i have ever seen EBT? i know they use them in boar dogs, dogos,,, Having owned one or two Stafford's and been about them a fair bit they are all different! as a rule the ones breed closer to what you could call "game" tend to be all out for scrapping but the ones that have a higher prey drive tend to be less quarrelsome! I have seen long time ago (pre ban), a mate had a first cross with a straight "game" breed imported dog, it would catch well and hold but as soon as the Charlie played dead would just walk off? would seem the dog was more interested in fighting than finishing, this dog was also a real pain around other dogs! I have seen others Stafford's both of Irish decent and KC that will catch (with help of a faster dog) and be hell on legs. I have and seen and owned all to briefly (just remember THEY are all mad just in varying degrees) wheatens and to my mind this dog has been breed longer and closer to the original hunting intent,, (not including the sh*t English show wheaten (no more than a poodle cross dog)). to my mind the wheaten had on avarage far better pray drive and just worked completely differently, and you can take more than one out without fighting! So I suppose I am trying to say the dog has to be the sum of the components, with a wheaten cross you get all the drive and physic of the strong dog but with less of the aggression??? But that said it must be important the grade of bull or wheaten put in the first cross! (sh*t in Sh*t out). all the best rob, Quote Link to post
Guest oldskool Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 good post black spring... there was a discussion on here talking about whether or not there is a difference in prey drive and fighting instinct of bull terriers... some good points were made whether or not a good fighting dog would have the same drive in the field etc?? for me, i quietly think your right about wheatens being bred for the job but i dont have enough knowledge about bull terriers to do a comparison.. Quote Link to post
bird 9,872 Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Spot on, its all down to breeding, ive had bullxs and if you get a good one they are good. My mate had 1x collie grey, and this dog smashed a fox easy, why because it got pecked the first time. Than after that it would shake the feck out of them. This dog killed a load of foxes, and didnt have many marks on it a clever dog This was a home bred dog, both the parents would take a fox, so its down to the breeding. The is crap in all breeds. BIRD Quote Link to post
Guest rexdigger Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 who cares as long as it does the job and doesnt spew?????????? Quote Link to post
francolin 449 Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 comes down to indervidual dogs ability bred right both should do fox ok hi guys, new here,,, but here goes, surely it has more to do with the bull or wheaten used,,, from my very limited knowledge the bull x I have seen and been told about, the people who own them have little or no clue as to the bull that went into them? Staff, Irish staff, pit etc,,,, not sure if i have ever seen EBT? i know they use them in boar dogs, dogos,,, Having owned one or two Stafford's and been about them a fair bit they are all different! as a rule the ones breed closer to what you could call "game" tend to be all out for scrapping but the ones that have a higher prey drive tend to be less quarrelsome! I have seen long time ago (pre ban), a mate had a first cross with a straight "game" breed imported dog, it would catch well and hold but as soon as the Charlie played dead would just walk off? would seem the dog was more interested in fighting than finishing, this dog was also a real pain around other dogs! I have seen others Stafford's both of Irish decent and KC that will catch (with help of a faster dog) and be hell on legs. I have and seen and owned all to briefly (just remember THEY are all mad just in varying degrees) wheatens and to my mind this dog has been breed longer and closer to the original hunting intent,, (not including the sh*t English show wheaten (no more than a poodle cross dog)). to my mind the wheaten had on avarage far better pray drive and just worked completely differently, and you can take more than one out without fighting! So I suppose I am trying to say the dog has to be the sum of the components, with a wheaten cross you get all the drive and physic of the strong dog but with less of the aggression??? But that said it must be important the grade of bull or wheaten put in the first cross! (sh*t in Sh*t out). all the best rob, rob are you saying the bull x s you have seen or owned tended to be fighters if not taken out alone ? Quote Link to post
harddigging 42 Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 ive always had bullxs in the past and couldnt fault them but i am now running on a wheaten cross so ill tell you my comparison next season the reason why i changed from bull to wheaten is not only for a change and comparason but allso i think when youre seen mooching with a heavy bullx the world and there dog knows what your upto and your intended quarry but with a lighter more typicall lurcher looking dog its a bit less obviouse thats just my opinion and if this wheatenx dosent impress me i wont hesetate to go back to the bullx but at the end of the day everybody to there own Quote Link to post
Guest bobsuperdog Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 my £0.02p worth,i had the wheatons back in the 1980s,when the best ones had pitbull blood added to them,to put the fire back in there bellys,in the trials in ireland,the staffs was making a better showing then the wheatons,the wheatons are ok as foxs dogs,but so are bedlingtons,deerhounds and collie crosses,but i would say that for the stuff thats bites back,be it drawing or out right killing the bullcross is king,,,,, the few i have seen where no match for a good bullcross,,,,,the wheatons are just the next cross to be cashed in on as a peddlers dog imho,,, Quote Link to post
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