Approved 'fenn' type Spring Traps

[DUCKWING 302]

WELL ......

 

FOR THE RECORD I THINK MOLEYS GOT SOMETHING THERE .......

 

AND I AGREE WITH HIM . WHICH IS A FIRST .........................

 

FROM THE PHOTOS WITH A SIDE ELEVATION VIEW ..... YOU CAN SEE THE GAP WHICH LOOKS TO BE A 3/4 GAP AT LEAST .....NOW THEN ...... THIS AREAS THE KILLING ZONE ........... IF THE PANS SET " LIGHT " AND THE TRAP GOES OFF ON TO A NECK SHOT I CAN IMAGINE QUITE A FEW RABBITS ETC BEING ALIVE ESPECIALLY THE HALF GROWN YOUNGSTERS , NO DOUBT THIS WOULD ALSO BE A PROBLEM ON THE FAST REFLEXED STOAT / WEASEL .....

 

AND DITCH ......................

TO BE HONEST , WHAT COMPANY WOULD SEND ANYTHING BUT THERE BEST TO A POTENTIAL CUSTOMER ? .........

NEVERMIND THE FACT THAT TIAWAN AND CHINA .. AS FAR AS IAM CONCERNED QUALITY WORKMANSHIP WISE ARE NO DIFFERENT ....

 

ALL THE BEST

 

DUCKWING

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

DW; If the offending traps were from the first batch we've already heard about? They would have been the best then available. And they were crap. And that's been recognised - albeit belatedly, perhaps - and said to have been rectified. I can only repeat, for comparative purposes, that Alan Fenn sent out the best He had in the Mk I Vermin. That too was crap. Today anyone looking for a working vermin trap would laugh at it and call it a useless piece of shit. It largely was. It never even got past the first tests, let alone into production. That's why there's only a handfull around today.

 

But Fenn listened and learned and progressed. The rest is history.

 

Solway can't possibly do that, because their traps are made in Taiwan? There's a bloke in US who's probably quite comfortably off by now from the vast range of traps he has made in Taiwan. Interestingly, the American trappers are really quite divided on his stuff. Some say it's just fine and nicely priced. Others ridicule it out of hand. Because it's Taiwanese.

 

Interestingly however, I've heard just as much scorn poured on Victor traps. Made in the USA. I wonder what the response would be if Sollys were made in US?

 

Anyway, as said, I'm just sitting here enjoying the deliberations. I'll not knock what I've no personal experience of. Chinkies? F*cking things!!! Have some here. Never took them back off the fence I hung them on the day they arrived. The day one actually fell apart in my hands as I unwrapped it! I swear to god; It's still down behind this work station as I type. Where it landed after bouncing off the wall when I threw it in utter disgust!

[moley 115]

so if i was to send you a sample fox snare with the hope that you were going to buy 200 would you be happy if sent you a crap one that didn,t run and was just about guaranteed to snap and the stop was 20 inches from the eye , not a hope in hell of catching anything but a rhino, of course you wouldn,t buy any

[snareman 3]

so if i was to send you a sample fox snare with the hope that you were going to buy 200 would you be happy if sent you a crap one that didn,t run and was just about guaranteed to snap and the stop was 20 inches from the eye , not a hope in hell of catching anything but a rhino, of course you wouldn,t buy any

well moley i,ll have to check out these new ones with the solway name stamped on them when they arrive as i was going to purchase some also , if they to have this gap then i will have to leave it , has no one contacted andrew the M D. from solway to investigate this problem , as i,m sure he would be interested and would get this fault rectified , the problem with trapping and snaring in this country is the people who seem to be advising the ministry , they may have a degree but that certainly does not make you a trapper , a lot of these people lack the many years of experience and don,t know all the little tricks and tips that can make you or break you as they have never ever been out running a trapline in their lives , but they are the so called experts who think they know it all , and then tell us how to do it . look at the snaring information on rabbit and fox snaring by defra, its a pure joke and an insult to a real trapper and snareman,s intelligence .

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

so if i was to send you a sample fox snare with the hope

 

So on and so forth. That aimed at me, Mole?

[moley 115]

so if i was to send you a sample fox snare with the hope

 

So on and so forth. That aimed at me, Mole?

not at all , i sent you those as a gift , to help you out , just like i have sent other lads stuff

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Sorry. Ye've misread me entirely. Maybe I cut too much out of ye original? I just don't like repeating peoples entire Posts back at them. Perhaps, if I had, it would have been clearer what I was trying to drive at.

 

Basicly, that you appear to have given up on an entire - potential - 'dynasty' of traps. And that on the strength of a single specimen of the producers very first try.

 

What I'm trying to get across is that, had ye been around to have handled Fenn's first crack at it, ye'd - by what ye say above - have thrown up ye hands and sworn never to touch his work again. If we were still as geographically close as once we'd been, I'd invite ye over to examine a Fenn Mk I Vermin, 'in the flesh'. Then ye'd Really see where I'm coming from.

 

But, as I've said at least the once or twice already above: Fenn learned from that abortion and progressed towards making the very trap ye now swear by.

 

Why then have ye allowed Fenn fifty years to satisfy ye. Yet ye now not giving the Soller five minutes? Bill Gaites didn't produce the OS ye reading this on over night. Yet ye still bought a later, progressed and worlds better PC than his initial shit.

 

Why this blind spot over what ammounts to a 'proto type' trap manufacture? I'm asking for no other reason than I simply can't understand ye bile for it.

[OldTrapCollector 377]

I have just examined the Solway Feeders traps I have here and have noted that the No.4 trap does not have the problem of the No.6 - the jaws fit tight together all the way round. The No.6 trap has the 'gap' at the side of the jaws, which I think could be easily eliminated by a further half inch 'bend' in the flat steel killing jaw in manufacture. I am sure Andrew is reading this thread with interest and will be getting onto the case.

 

I also think that the 'approval experts' will have considered the 'new' trap from a point of view of the extra powered springs sitting in an already proven design and have overlooked this manfacturing flaw which would make the Solway No.6 an effective killing trap for mink and rabbits where the Fenn Mk VI and the Springer No.6 lose out.

 

OTC

[john b 38]

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I agree - it looks to be a 'design' issue rather than one of build quality. As I said before the one I have seems very well put together.

[mole trapper 1,693]

Well wheres the man himself to put up his defence of the traps, i know if i had chucked a load of money at a venture such as this i would not be sitting back and saying nothing, if the design fault has been recognised and addressed why is he not telling us, ie a large part of his potential market.

Personally i think he does not know about this thread or surely he would be putting us straight on the matter.

 

Regards MT.

[Solway F 0]

Hi All,

 

I have been away for a while and a kind person emailed me about this topic. I have just finished reading it and will have another read through later. I can answer a few questions but I dont want to get involved in a discussion titled 'my traps are the best' that is silly and nothing can be learned from that.

 

Made in Taiwan = good quality, because the most accurate wire form machines are made in Taiwan now. The country has an excellent metal pressing and forming history. Our wireforms and springs are made on CNC formers so should be accurate to 1000th of an inch. I think we are the only company making the traps who use cnc machines to produce these parts.

 

The top bar and jaw of the trap = the most important part of the trap as it is these parts that kill the target. I will leave judgement on this part to people who have bought and tested our trap. Our traps kill very effectively and I am yet to have a missed catch (ie foot or leg etc) on the ones I have set 24/7.

 

At the moment we have run out of the Mk4 trap (waiting for the new batch) because we have some MK6 left I have reduced the price to the level of the Mk4. So now is no better time to try one!!

 

The law on the traps as I understand it. It is NOT illegal to sell a trap not listed. However it IS illegal to use one. You can buy and sell gin traps but if you use one you are in trouble. There is some pressure to tighten laws on areas such as snares and traps. As a footnote to this, since our trap has been listed we have started to receive emails (illustrated with photos) from the RSPB showing set and closed traps, I am not sure if the person/persons who were operating the traps had any indication they were looking at them.

 

Happy Easter All. Lets kill the easter bunny and eat him!! yum yum...

 

Regards

 

 

P.S We are investing in some 3-D software that will allow us to redesign parts and test the traps mechanism on a computer. The parts can then be accurately drawn and then produced. Please be aware that not everything is learned or achieved overnight. If we make changes they may take a while to filter through as the traps will need to be submitted to testing again (to make sure the trap has not changed beyond what was tested before). I still stand by the Mk4 and Mk6 as being effective traps. The new software will be used firstly on our mole trap.

 

 

 

 

 

Well wheres the man himself to put up his defence of the traps, i know if i had chucked a load of money at a venture such as this i would not be sitting back and saying nothing, if the design fault has been recognised and addressed why is he not telling us, ie a large part of his potential market.

Personally i think he does not know about this thread or surely he would be putting us straight on the matter.

 

Regards MT.

Edited March 20, 2008 by Solway F

[moley 115]

Sorry. Ye've misread me entirely. Maybe I cut too much out of ye original? I just don't like repeating peoples entire Posts back at them. Perhaps, if I had, it would have been clearer what I was trying to drive at.

 

Basicly, that you appear to have given up on an entire - potential - 'dynasty' of traps. And that on the strength of a single specimen of the producers very first try.

 

What I'm trying to get across is that, had ye been around to have handled Fenn's first crack at it, ye'd - by what ye say above - have thrown up ye hands and sworn never to touch his work again. If we were still as geographically close as once we'd been, I'd invite ye over to examine a Fenn Mk I Vermin, 'in the flesh'. Then ye'd Really see where I'm coming from.

 

But, as I've said at least the once or twice already above: Fenn learned from that abortion and progressed towards making the very trap ye now swear by.

 

Why then have ye allowed Fenn fifty years to satisfy ye. Yet ye now not giving the Soller five minutes? Bill Gaites didn't produce the OS ye reading this on over night. Yet ye still bought a later, progressed and worlds better PC than his initial shit.

 

Why this blind spot over what ammounts to a 'proto type' trap manufacture? I'm asking for no other reason than I simply can't understand ye bile for it.

 

 

 

i can see where your coming from and like you say , can,t judge a trap on its proto type , but this is a copy of a trap that has took 50 years to get right (your words)and now the copiers are still not getting the copies right ,

this is the only fault i can see with the trap , but as its the most important bit , its ...important , a young rabbit caught in the trap i was sent will not die straight away as the gap is too bloody big and will not crush neck or body and just hold the poor thing, i only caught one big rabbit around the neck and took the trap up because it was a live , which i find unacceptable

if this issue is rectified then i will consider buying a whole lot to work with , but as they are i will not , end of story

[TOMO 26,005]

got to say , that a very good point moley, about the copies not getting copyed right .

 

 

now heres another one. those of you guys that use the likes of the jubys or imbra , swaer by them , i have never used one so cant comment.

 

but would it not be a good idea to copy there design, how about that mr solway. im sure most guys would but those if done right. TOMO

[Guest little_lloyd]

Happy Easter All. Lets kill the easter bunny and eat him!! yum yum...

 

 

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That cracked me up

[OldTrapCollector 377]

but would it not be a good idea to copy there design. im sure most guys would buy those if done right.

 

Or even produce a new trap altogether - now that would be nice to see home inventors, pesters and 'keepers making up a new design

 

OTC