Plummer terriers

[tinytiger 822]

28 30 lbs Id say thats way to big for fox ..fit only for the others and with that much bull blood a waste of a plummer.

 

 

try telling her that! I used an apbt stud only because i couldnt locate a full bred working plummer here in ireland,her previous litter were by a plummer(ballina flynn) and i wanted to try something different.The half siblings were put over each other and i have 4 month pups that nobody could distinguish from a fullbred plummer and are showing all the right signs.I didnt just use any pitbull-searched long and hard ,maybe looked at 20 different studs until i found the one i wanted.Ive had no problems with dog aggression/kennel fights and have had more than 1 to ground at once.

 

if you want to see the pups they are probably still on donedeal.ie(2 that ive left arent for sale though).My original plummer bitch was out of alegion bred bitch by a tricolour plummer bred by a Mr johnson from wales.I didnt get papers with her_the litter was born on christmas day '04 and bred by d o conner ,galway-maybe some of her siblings were registered , i would be very interested to know her full pedigree.I cant see how i am doing anything different to legion kennels-brian plummer wasnt the only person ever, to know a thing or 2 about genetics.

there is an old breeding axiom "twice in ,once out"- stonehenge mentions this in his greyhound book of the 1850s,it worked then and it still does(i could shite on all day about alleles/genes etc but i wont)

I dont claim my dogs are fullbred plummers.Ill post a pic of the two half sisters

 

You live in Ireland Tiny Tiger, of course plummers have a bad name as Eire is the home of a lot of good black dogs and long may it continue. Why go to the hassle of breeding all this shite when you could have yourself a good black dog that will do the job? Personally i havn't seen too many plummers and i hope to f**k i don't see any in the near future around my end but its doubtful that there will because everybody knows a black dog is hard to beat

 

 

they are surely(the blacks)- i wanted to try something different and wasnt disappointed.Ive spoken to an awful lot people inthe last few weeks who had them and reckoned they were the worst yoke they ever fed.Maybe i just got lucky with her-neither of her daughters have the same hunting prowess although they have a lot more ability below ground.She was turned on 110% all the time .Ive met other guys at game fairs with marked plummers who seemed happy with their dogs

[EPTR 4]

tiny ive sent 2 soon to be 3 males over and theres breeders over there from way back...besides phil and sonatal flyn (nailer x scorpio) good dog.

legion well nuf said .anything from nine is more bull blooded so anything from a apbt and legion has to be more bull than plummer.

 

DBp..as far as I can see theres not much purebreeding hes ever done.... infact in 1999 when he started medling the dogs were begining to right themselves and bred true outside influnces were disaperaing then ....bang plum does one. Quoteing the every "ten generations bang in some bull blood."

 

try telling any throurougbred race horse breeder to bang in a little bit of shire horse to get better bone every ten genertaioons and youd be laughed out of the place.

 

 

if you no about genetics you will know why they resemble plummers...but 30 lb dogs arent plummers!..make good drawing dogs mind.

 

As for showing yep not really my scene either.

The throughbred studbook goesback to early 1700s you arent quite that well established yet(just messin)-

yeah id make her 9/16 bull.I had to make a 250 mile round trip to use phils dog-only found him as his dog had got up on his neighbours lakeland and i rang them to enquire which parent was the plummer as i was looking for a stud.anyhow they put me on to him-nice fella-ive lost his contact details as i lost my phone not long after the mating.out of 4 pups 2 died ,one tri coluor dog who was stolen at 11 months and"cody" the bitch in my arms in the above picture is my only "pure" bred plummer at the moment

 

I would have used a full plummer on her,only i couldnt find one who wasnt her father or grandfather(we only got a computer a few months back).I used her half brother as i wanted to see what doubling up my original plummer "jazz"would throw(she really was something ,utterly game with a better nose than a gundog and very intelligent)

 

THe bitch in my arms is only 1/16 bull(via nine)-would she be eligible for registration with your organisation if i could find out how her mother was bred(apart from being nines grandaughter)

i think "jazzes" mother was a sister to legion mask but im not 100% on that.

plummer terriers have a very bad name over here as workers-i cant see why-the ones ive had are/were the equal of any patterdale ive seen.

any way thanks for your time

john

 

9/19th bull thats alot of foregin blood for us sorry mate but we dont want any more bull blood . The first was enough the second injection by the rustic eccentric was the limit of anymore forgein blood. The essence of Plummer breeding is the predictability of matings, adding a little bit here and there for the sake of it is not what we do. We have goal posts to aim for and this is what we have done for so long. We i have anyway.

 

Im surprised that you are interested in pedigrees and registrations consdiering your anti club!

 

Im sure that cleanspades mate "keeps" of the working plummer terrier network regsiter will invite you to register there but im sorry we are simply not interested.Cheers seek out the other plummers in ireland pm me and i will forward some details for you.

[tinytiger 822]

tiny ive sent 2 soon to be 3 males over and theres breeders over there from way back...besides phil and sonatal flyn (nailer x scorpio) good dog.

legion well nuf said .anything from nine is more bull blooded so anything from a apbt and legion has to be more bull than plummer.

 

DBp..as far as I can see theres not much purebreeding hes ever done.... infact in 1999 when he started medling the dogs were begining to right themselves and bred true outside influnces were disaperaing then ....bang plum does one. Quoteing the every "ten generations bang in some bull blood."

 

try telling any throurougbred race horse breeder to bang in a little bit of shire horse to get better bone every ten genertaioons and youd be laughed out of the place.

 

 

if you no about genetics you will know why they resemble plummers...but 30 lb dogs arent plummers!..make good drawing dogs mind.

 

As for showing yep not really my scene either.

The throughbred studbook goesback to early 1700s you arent quite that well established yet(just messin)-

yeah id make her 9/16 bull.I had to make a 250 mile round trip to use phils dog-only found him as his dog had got up on his neighbours lakeland and i rang them to enquire which parent was the plummer as i was looking for a stud.anyhow they put me on to him-nice fella-ive lost his contact details as i lost my phone not long after the mating.out of 4 pups 2 died ,one tri coluor dog who was stolen at 11 months and"cody" the bitch in my arms in the above picture is my only "pure" bred plummer at the moment

 

I would have used a full plummer on her,only i couldnt find one who wasnt her father or grandfather(we only got a computer a few months back).I used her half brother as i wanted to see what doubling up my original plummer "jazz"would throw(she really was something ,utterly game with a better nose than a gundog and very intelligent)

 

THe bitch in my arms is only 1/16 bull(via nine)-would she be eligible for registration with your organisation if i could find out how her mother was bred(apart from being nines grandaughter)

i think "jazzes" mother was a sister to legion mask but im not 100% on that.

plummer terriers have a very bad name over here as workers-i cant see why-the ones ive had are/were the equal of any patterdale ive seen.

any way thanks for your time

john

 

9/19th bull thats alot of foregin blood for us sorry mate but we dont want any more bull blood . The first was enough the second injection by the rustic eccentric was the limit of anymore forgein blood. The essence of Plummer breeding is the predictability of matings, adding a little bit here and there for the sake of it is not what we do. We have goal posts to aim for and this is what we have done for so long. We i have anyway.

 

Im surprised that you are interested in pedigrees and registrations consdiering your anti club!

 

Im sure that cleanspades mate "keeps" of the working plummer terrier network regsiter will invite you to register there but im sorry we are simply not interested.Cheers seek out the other plummers in ireland pm me and i will forward some details for you.

 

 

THe bitch(in my arm in pic) is 1/16 bull via nine sired by ballina flynn,id consider the others i have bull/russels .I tried to join the other club( sues one )but she never got back to me and after talking to phil ,lost intrest in joining them.in the end of the day you probably have all 4 of her grandparents on file.as you guessed the bull crosses were bred for harder work ,drawingdogs.she gets to ground (on foxes)without too much trouble(not tree roots),most of her weight is in her back an hindlegs.shes not quite spannable but im hardly nicolai valuev.If i was interested in bringing my crossbreds into the plummer gene pool ,i would buy a bitch and paper hang my pups instead of talking with you about it on a forum.I think its sad that theres so much bickering between clubs.I.m.o with 30 or 40 years more of selective breeding the plummer could become the world best working terrier breed(jagdterriers,patterdales included) Instead there will probably be 30 0r 40 different registries.Im all for pedigrees,know the value of them,spend a lot of time studying them,patterns etc.(i also keep a few greyhounds).but in any breed, the dog makes the pedigree and not the other way around.Ye should do it like the jagdterrier clubs in eastren europe where a dog has to earn the right to his papers via working ability

I realise with the law as it stands over your way ,that is practically impossible.plenty vermin over here though and they need eatin

[Catcher 1 639]

Never liked him.bit of a bull shiter.but my mate had one of his dogs and it was hard as nails

[stormyboy 1,352]

28 30 lbs Id say thats way to big for fox ..fit only for the others and with that much bull blood a waste of a plummer.

 

 

try telling her that! I used an apbt stud only because i couldnt locate a full bred working plummer here in ireland,her previous litter were by a plummer(ballina flynn) and i wanted to try something different.The half siblings were put over each other and i have 4 month pups that nobody could distinguish from a fullbred plummer and are showing all the right signs.I didnt just use any pitbull-searched long and hard ,maybe looked at 20 different studs until i found the one i wanted.Ive had no problems with dog aggression/kennel fights and have had more than 1 to ground at once.

 

if you want to see the pups they are probably still on donedeal.ie(2 that ive left arent for sale though).My original plummer bitch was out of alegion bred bitch by a tricolour plummer bred by a Mr johnson from wales.I didnt get papers with her_the litter was born on christmas day '04 and bred by d o conner ,galway-maybe some of her siblings were registered , i would be very interested to know her full pedigree.I cant see how i am doing anything different to legion kennels-brian plummer wasnt the only person ever, to know a thing or 2 about genetics.

there is an old breeding axiom "twice in ,once out"- stonehenge mentions this in his greyhound book of the 1850s,it worked then and it still does(i could shite on all day about alleles/genes etc but i wont)

I dont claim my dogs are fullbred plummers.Ill post a pic of the two half sisters

 

You live in Ireland Tiny Tiger, of course plummers have a bad name as Eire is the home of a lot of good black dogs and long may it continue. Why go to the hassle of breeding all this shite when you could have yourself a good black dog that will do the job? Personally i havn't seen too many plummers and i hope to f**k i don't see any in the near future around my end but its doubtful that there will because everybody knows a black dog is hard to beat

 

 

Quote-"Personally i HAVN'T SEEN too many plummers". How then can you pass an honest opinion of them? Good posts Tiny Tiger-and a good decision to steer clear of the clubs. Leave that to the self styled "saviours" to talk the talk-you keep on walking the walk. Folk like you out doing the job will do the Plummer terriers reputation more good than all the self promoters and clubs put together.

[EPTR 4]

Don't think clubs have anythig to do with any dogs working ability like Tiny says keeping pedigrees is worthwhile.

 

Theres not many breeders of working terriers offering any pedigrees of any value with any working terriers, anywhere nuttal for one so breed clubs provide a service and a bit of hope .

 

Many working animals have been saved from exticntion by clubs (the humble shire horse for one).

 

Those choosing to stay away limit themselves... no viable genes as we see here with tiny, and his outcross to a bull terrier are they Plummers? Nope sorry mate but they arent plummers.

 

Was Rupert or Vandal or Rocky or any of the early dogs plummers nope he/they were'nt he/they were only parts of an ingredient for the bigger recipy that needed baking. The cakes baked and needs icing now .

 

Baking it to long will burn it and make it useless.

 

 

Bottom line is ..most who ridicule clubs and pedigrees are usuly antiestablishment anyway (ive seen many mmany of these wife works hard husband at home rolling fags) and are best away from genuine lads who join clubs to further there breedings .

 

 

They also pretend they are the "saviuors" of the anmials they wish to call Plummers (especily when they have pups to sell) they suddenly call there dogs plummers when infact they have nothing more than a 2 or 3 generatiosn max 5 of mixed blooded lines melted down.Usuly inbrd to some iconic dog.

 

Worker to worker means nowt on paper or in the head ..carry on working the terriers fine ..but why do they inssit on calling crosses plummers .....MONEY

[tinytiger 822]

Hi Glen ,ive read through a few other old posts on here since we last spoke(or wrote words to each other) and I see where you are coming from now. I dont call the pitbull cross bitch a plummer terrier,my intentions when breeding that litter wasnt to make/improve plummer terriers-there are some pure blooded plummers posted here thet look well strong enough for anything and i think you probably have enough genetic variation within the pure dogs to go forward with provided that you breed best to best etc.I realize that breeding out tri colour is important to you-but it may well be impossible(unless scientests discover the gene responsible and you DNA profile all your breeding stock).just look at boxers ,white was bred out odd years ago,but some are still born now and again-as you know yourself recessive genes can travel down the generations undetected,until they meet their comrade ,and leaves one scratching ones head saying "where the hell did that come from".Im hoping(for you) that breeding for colour and ability arent incongruous(it needent be).

If the plummer terrier was only ever intended as a ratter and bushing dog why did DBP go to the trouble of putting dogs out with hunt packs and obtaining working certificates for them.My original bitch" jazz" and her daughter by phil p,s dog flynn both made ribbons of foxes in short order.

 

My cross with the pitbull was an experiment in hybrid vigour(i.e crossing 2 very inbred lines together) as pups ive never come accross anything like them,walking around upright at a day old,getting carried out around the field still attached to the bitches tit at 3 days ,scrapping each other while still blind.The half pit bitch is in pup at the moment(not to a pit ,plummer,russell,fell -im not saying) its a breeding programme im embarking on with the hopes of breeding a hard biting,very strong earth dog coming in around 20lbs.I used plummer as the base because of their incredible nose,intelligence and gameness.I have no intention of trying to get these dogs into any plummer registry-because they wont be that.

 

I had a read of legions page as well,as for breeding out sexual dimorphism with bull blood,i cant see how,as the genes could still there from the plummer side.Do you know anything about the bull terrier bitch Brian brought in?(after my pit x litter ,id have my own suspicions as to what she was)

 

The bitch in my arms in my photo is a plummer as far as im concerned,if shes not then none of legions are either(shes only one sixteenth bull via nine).If i breed her again it will be to a plummer.

 

I met a guy at a game fair in laois a few years back with a wyremead bred dog ,who didnt fault him (and he was a digging man).Im not certain he came from you directly but was from your lines.

 

Anyways best of luck with your dogs

 

john

[tinytiger 822]

"Bottom line is ..most who ridicule clubs and pedigrees are usuly antiestablishment anyway (ive seen many mmany of these wife works hard husband at home rolling fags) and are best away from genuine lads who join clubs to further there breedings . "

 

 

if i had a wife to bother my life,ill tell you what i would do,id buy her a boat and set her afloat and paddle my own canoe.

Edited May 14, 2010 by tinytiger

[fireman 10,859]

But then probebly the biggest problem with the clubs is the folks in charge,to much water under the bridges as it were.A few folks shun away from the clubs due to the ego's and bull that comes with them and to mock these lads who all have "mongrel plummers" and lable them saviours of the breed is well "just like you to do so glen" a shame really but shows just how at least one of the said ego's works and shows why folks don't bother .As for you mocking the puppy money bit glen???????,pot,kettle.black!!!!!.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

28 30 lbs Id say thats way to big for fox ..fit only for the others and with that much bull blood a waste of a plummer.

 

 

try telling her that! I used an apbt stud only because i couldnt locate a full bred working plummer here in ireland,her previous litter were by a plummer(ballina flynn) and i wanted to try something different.The half siblings were put over each other and i have 4 month pups that nobody could distinguish from a fullbred plummer and are showing all the right signs.I didnt just use any pitbull-searched long and hard ,maybe looked at 20 different studs until i found the one i wanted.Ive had no problems with dog aggression/kennel fights and have had more than 1 to ground at once.

 

if you want to see the pups they are probably still on donedeal.ie(2 that ive left arent for sale though).My original plummer bitch was out of alegion bred bitch by a tricolour plummer bred by a Mr johnson from wales.I didnt get papers with her_the litter was born on christmas day '04 and bred by d o conner ,galway-maybe some of her siblings were registered , i would be very interested to know her full pedigree.I cant see how i am doing anything different to legion kennels-brian plummer wasnt the only person ever, to know a thing or 2 about genetics.

there is an old breeding axiom "twice in ,once out"- stonehenge mentions this in his greyhound book of the 1850s,it worked then and it still does(i could shite on all day about alleles/genes etc but i wont)

I dont claim my dogs are fullbred plummers.Ill post a pic of the two half sisters

 

looks like a plummer to me mate good luck with the breeding program. i would be interested to see the pics of the pups a question for you why did you not use a working terrier for an outcross? and why would you need two to ground. ?

 

you never answered why you needed more than one to ground. and why you never used a working terrier as a cross??

[stormyboy 1,352]

Don't think clubs have anythig to do with any dogs working ability like Tiny says keeping pedigrees is worthwhile.

 

Theres not many breeders of working terriers offering any pedigrees of any value with any working terriers, anywhere nuttal for one so breed clubs provide a service and a bit of hope .

 

Many working animals have been saved from exticntion by clubs (the humble shire horse for one).

 

Those choosing to stay away limit themselves... no viable genes as we see here with tiny, and his outcross to a bull terrier are they Plummers? Nope sorry mate but they arent plummers.

 

Was Rupert or Vandal or Rocky or any of the early dogs plummers nope he/they were'nt he/they were only parts of an ingredient for the bigger recipy that needed baking. The cakes baked and needs icing now .

 

Baking it to long will burn it and make it useless.

 

 

Bottom line is ..most who ridicule clubs and pedigrees are usuly antiestablishment anyway (ive seen many mmany of these wife works hard husband at home rolling fags) and are best away from genuine lads who join clubs to further there breedings .

 

 

They also pretend they are the "saviuors" of the anmials they wish to call Plummers (especily when they have pups to sell) they suddenly call there dogs plummers when infact they have nothing more than a 2 or 3 generatiosn max 5 of mixed blooded lines melted down.Usuly inbrd to some iconic dog.

 

Worker to worker means nowt on paper or in the head ..carry on working the terriers fine ..but why do they inssit on calling crosses plummers .....MONEY

 

 

I like the cake analogy! By this token,you obviously consider yourself the MASTER BAKER!! Almost glenn,almost.

[tinytiger 822]

28 30 lbs Id say thats way to big for fox ..fit only for the others and with that much bull blood a waste of a plummer.

 

 

try telling her that! I used an apbt stud only because i couldnt locate a full bred working plummer here in ireland,her previous litter were by a plummer(ballina flynn) and i wanted to try something different.The half siblings were put over each other and i have 4 month pups that nobody could distinguish from a fullbred plummer and are showing all the right signs.I didnt just use any pitbull-searched long and hard ,maybe looked at 20 different studs until i found the one i wanted.Ive had no problems with dog aggression/kennel fights and have had more than 1 to ground at once.

 

if you want to see the pups they are probably still on donedeal.ie(2 that ive left arent for sale though).My original plummer bitch was out of alegion bred bitch by a tricolour plummer bred by a Mr johnson from wales.I didnt get papers with her_the litter was born on christmas day '04 and bred by d o conner ,galway-maybe some of her siblings were registered , i would be very interested to know her full pedigree.I cant see how i am doing anything different to legion kennels-brian plummer wasnt the only person ever, to know a thing or 2 about genetics.

there is an old breeding axiom "twice in ,once out"- stonehenge mentions this in his greyhound book of the 1850s,it worked then and it still does(i could shite on all day about alleles/genes etc but i wont)

I dont claim my dogs are fullbred plummers.Ill post a pic of the two half sisters

 

looks like a plummer to me mate good luck with the breeding program. i would be interested to see the pics of the pups a question for you why did you not use a working terrier for an outcross? and why would you need two to ground. ?

 

you never answered why you needed more than one to ground. and why you never used a working terrier as a cross??

I had two to ground,down 2 different entrances at either side of him,as both were fairly inexperienced at the time-(the full plummer had never been to ground)and i wanted them to get a little.the second bitch(full plummer) was down for less than 10 minutes.Id been worried about her not starting at all,so twas a good way to get her going,she hasnt looked back since.generally id have only one to ground

I used the pitbull in question because he was physical perfection ,had a good nose,and was a dog that any U.S pit dog man would be happy to have on his yard.

Ive seen plenty pitbulls in my time and believe me i never saw any like this one.The genetic theory behind the cross is: very inbred x very inbred=hybrid vigour(pitbulls are very inbred due to all the great stud dogs over the years taking out their competition(as stud dogs)before they are bred off).I looked into a particular patterdale dog as well but hed been dead for some time

[Cleanspade 3,322]

28 30 lbs Id say thats way to big for fox ..fit only for the others and with that much bull blood a waste of a plummer.

 

 

try telling her that! I used an apbt stud only because i couldnt locate a full bred working plummer here in ireland,her previous litter were by a plummer(ballina flynn) and i wanted to try something different.The half siblings were put over each other and i have 4 month pups that nobody could distinguish from a fullbred plummer and are showing all the right signs.I didnt just use any pitbull-searched long and hard ,maybe looked at 20 different studs until i found the one i wanted.Ive had no problems with dog aggression/kennel fights and have had more than 1 to ground at once.

 

if you want to see the pups they are probably still on donedeal.ie(2 that ive left arent for sale though).My original plummer bitch was out of alegion bred bitch by a tricolour plummer bred by a Mr johnson from wales.I didnt get papers with her_the litter was born on christmas day '04 and bred by d o conner ,galway-maybe some of her siblings were registered , i would be very interested to know her full pedigree.I cant see how i am doing anything different to legion kennels-brian plummer wasnt the only person ever, to know a thing or 2 about genetics.

there is an old breeding axiom "twice in ,once out"- stonehenge mentions this in his greyhound book of the 1850s,it worked then and it still does(i could shite on all day about alleles/genes etc but i wont)

I dont claim my dogs are fullbred plummers.Ill post a pic of the two half sisters

 

looks like a plummer to me mate good luck with the breeding program. i would be interested to see the pics of the pups a question for you why did you not use a working terrier for an outcross? and why would you need two to ground. ?

 

you never answered why you needed more than one to ground. and why you never used a working terrier as a cross??

I had two to ground,down 2 different entrances at either side of him,as both were fairly inexperienced at the time-(the full plummer had never been to ground)and i wanted them to get a little.the second bitch(full plummer) was down for less than 10 minutes.Id been worried about her not starting at all,so twas a good way to get her going,she hasnt looked back since.generally id have only one to ground

I used the pitbull in question because he was physical perfection ,had a good nose,and was a dog that any U.S pit dog man would be happy to have on his yard.

Ive seen plenty pitbulls in my time and believe me i never saw any like this one.The genetic theory behind the cross is: very inbred x very inbred=hybrid vigour(pitbulls are very inbred due to all the great stud dogs over the years taking out their competition(as stud dogs)before they are bred off).I looked into a particular patterdale dog as well but hed been dead for some time

 

thanks for your reply. allways good to see plummers or plummer types in working homes and doing well. still watching for a pic of your pups. yis cs

[tinytiger 822]

28 30 lbs Id say thats way to big for fox ..fit only for the others and with that much bull blood a waste of a plummer.

 

 

try telling her that! I used an apbt stud only because i couldnt locate a full bred working plummer here in ireland,her previous litter were by a plummer(ballina flynn) and i wanted to try something different.The half siblings were put over each other and i have 4 month pups that nobody could distinguish from a fullbred plummer and are showing all the right signs.I didnt just use any pitbull-searched long and hard ,maybe looked at 20 different studs until i found the one i wanted.Ive had no problems with dog aggression/kennel fights and have had more than 1 to ground at once.

 

if you want to see the pups they are probably still on donedeal.ie(2 that ive left arent for sale though).My original plummer bitch was out of alegion bred bitch by a tricolour plummer bred by a Mr johnson from wales.I didnt get papers with her_the litter was born on christmas day '04 and bred by d o conner ,galway-maybe some of her siblings were registered , i would be very interested to know her full pedigree.I cant see how i am doing anything different to legion kennels-brian plummer wasnt the only person ever, to know a thing or 2 about genetics.

there is an old breeding axiom "twice in ,once out"- stonehenge mentions this in his greyhound book of the 1850s,it worked then and it still does(i could shite on all day about alleles/genes etc but i wont)

I dont claim my dogs are fullbred plummers.Ill post a pic of the two half sisters

 

looks like a plummer to me mate good luck with the breeding program. i would be interested to see the pics of the pups a question for you why did you not use a working terrier for an outcross? and why would you need two to ground. ?

 

you never answered why you needed more than one to ground. and why you never used a working terrier as a cross??

I had two to ground,down 2 different entrances at either side of him,as both were fairly inexperienced at the time-(the full plummer had never been to ground)and i wanted them to get a little.the second bitch(full plummer) was down for less than 10 minutes.Id been worried about her not starting at all,so twas a good way to get her going,she hasnt looked back since.generally id have only one to ground

I used the pitbull in question because he was physical perfection ,had a good nose,and was a dog that any U.S pit dog man would be happy to have on his yard.

Ive seen plenty pitbulls in my time and believe me i never saw any like this one.The genetic theory behind the cross is: very inbred x very inbred=hybrid vigour(pitbulls are very inbred due to all the great stud dogs over the years taking out their competition(as stud dogs)before they are bred off).I looked into a particular patterdale dog as well but hed been dead for some time

 

thanks for your reply. allways good to see plummers or plummer types in working homes and doing well. still watching for a pic of your pups. yis cs

 

 

Ill try and put one up there as soon as i work out how to work photobucket,

[EPTR 4]

Tiny well crack on and do your own thing everyone to is own .

im sure you will endevour to breed what you want and am glad they arent marketed as Plummers.I would imagine every breed has recessives that crop every now and again..as far as bicoloured terriers go they dont get a pedigree now..they are few and far between as are the pale nosed dogs,old time diseases etc ..thanks to clubs and pedigrees.

 

Bill I bake fine breds for everyday use not luxury cakes for the weekends,I will leave that to the lads who seek out every single plummer class at every show going..then ridicule the KC lol.

 

Steve you ware the emblem of antiestablishment with great gusto and i would say with great pride .. Cowtowing to rules is not everyones idea of fun you amongst many others we as a club are glad have wondered off into the wild blue yonder.

 

Theres always someone or two or three who thinks they can do things better..but seems not sepration from the mother ship usely means death unless rputtions are so great that they keep you alfoat...rare mavericks abound, in the working terrier world but plummers have more than there fare share.

 

Purebred pups are sold here Steve not f1s or f2s3,4,5, or bitsas all are bred for a reason to gain myself a pup, the rest are sold.Sometimes 3 litters a year not massive numbers id say, all spoken for before they are born and sold reasonabley priced ..ask yourslef why that is