Plummer terriers

[bedlam 0]

i might have missed something along the way. but all this talk of type and breeding for type/comformation has had me thinking. the kennel club terriers ive seen havnt been like pea's in a pod. some of them have been bred for hundreds of years and still there is a big variation in type. there are still faults and flaws there is noticable differences with different lines. some prefixes can be spotted and recognised before you know there names. why all the fuss. it seems as if its a race to rush this breed pushing it towards the holy grail. KC REG. most folk like this breed becouse they like the type. and will breed for type. even working lads will look at type. even if they do so as a secondary thought. i would have thought the breed would get there through natural selection with the owners being given credit to breed sensibly. as is the case in all breeds. in my opinion the biggest drawback to the plummer cant be seen and will often develope slowly. and thats temprement. a lot of plummers(not all) have a gassy nature. and this makes them difficult to kennel. and most working lads wont put up with fighters a few i have spoke to that tried plummers gave them a reasonable write up for ability but couldnt cope with their quarrelsome and hyper nature. anoth complaint was they can be noisy to kennel anyone got any thoughts on this.

 

and as an aside.

 

what is the plan for this breed for the future. i here kc registration constantly but its generally from the same few names. has this breed got a future as a worker and if so what should be bred for. as it isnt in my opinion an out and out earthdog. more a versitile pest control terrier. how do you place your pups. do you look for digging lads or do you look for lads that do a veriety of dogwork.

 

what age do you think these terriers mature and are ready to enter. there seems to be no end of expert opinion on this breed re showing and breeding but not a lot of input on the working side.

i have a bitch that was an ok worker nothing special but nothing to write home about however at three years old and after having a litter of pups she totaly changed,and is now twice the dog she was in terms of her drive etc..

sorry all that was in referance to "when does a plummer mature "

[Cleanspade 3,322]

one thing 4 sure. plummer left his mark. puting pen to paper, good school teacher. ad his fame wi richard whitly. then put his piont to goverment (badger diggers are scum ) wat a man, then name a terrier after himself (joke)are u all blinkerd, no ur only kidding urselves. went to a terrier show today never have i heard so much bull. one plummer owner had 30 somthing digs wi his pair of plummers (digs lol) i work russel types n good bayers. but still get get bitten [bANNED TEXT] thay hold there quarry hard [bANNED TEXT] needed there not hard dogs wat i have but true honest workers, thay carry old n new work scars. as does any earth dog. so tell me. how come plummers dont get marked [bANNED TEXT] worked to fox, am i missing somthing er. a lot of bull shit i think. prove me wrong please. u never will. no disrispect.

 

 

this dog is owned by a lad off this site. it carries scares old and new and is a plummer.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

i might have missed something along the way. but all this talk of type and breeding for type/comformation has had me thinking. the kennel club terriers ive seen havnt been like pea's in a pod. some of them have been bred for hundreds of years and still there is a big variation in type. there are still faults and flaws there is noticable differences with different lines. some prefixes can be spotted and recognised before you know there names. why all the fuss. it seems as if its a race to rush this breed pushing it towards the holy grail. KC REG. most folk like this breed becouse they like the type. and will breed for type. even working lads will look at type. even if they do so as a secondary thought. i would have thought the breed would get there through natural selection with the owners being given credit to breed sensibly. as is the case in all breeds. in my opinion the biggest drawback to the plummer cant be seen and will often develope slowly. and thats temprement. a lot of plummers(not all) have a gassy nature. and this makes them difficult to kennel. and most working lads wont put up with fighters a few i have spoke to that tried plummers gave them a reasonable write up for ability but couldnt cope with their quarrelsome and hyper nature. anoth complaint was they can be noisy to kennel anyone got any thoughts on this.

 

and as an aside.

 

what is the plan for this breed for the future. i here kc registration constantly but its generally from the same few names. has this breed got a future as a worker and if so what should be bred for. as it isnt in my opinion an out and out earthdog. more a versitile pest control terrier. how do you place your pups. do you look for digging lads or do you look for lads that do a veriety of dogwork.

 

what age do you think these terriers mature and are ready to enter. there seems to be no end of expert opinion on this breed re showing and breeding but not a lot of input on the working side.

i have a bitch that was an ok worker nothing special but nothing to write home about however at three years old and after having a litter of pups she totaly changed,and is now twice the dog she was in terms of her drive etc..

sorry all that was in referance to "when does a plummer mature "

 

 

thanks bedlam. all my plummers are keen to go at a very young age. but are still maturing at two years old. entered early and they would have been ruined.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Glen,I am sorry I misunderstood you,unlike yourself,personal messages sent to me are exactly that,PERSONAL,not for all and sundry,I respect people's privacy in these matter's and when asked for something to be kept between them and me thats the way it stay's,its a shame your not more approachable you may get some yourself,name calling and being rude is about your level of intelligence I'm afraid,throw enough sh*t at someone and hope nobody noticed you never answered any of the questions asked of you,if thats your best strategy it won't work forever,at some point you'll have to give an honest answer,I do not have anything against you personally but it would be nice to get a straight answer about the breeds direction and work ethics before page 50,atb,wirralman

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

There all after fame or/and a name

just look at how many plummer owners/breeders have fancy web pages, loads of pictures and dogs at stud.

[EPTR 4]

i might have missed something along the way. but all this talk of type and breeding for type/comformation has had me thinking. the kennel club terriers ive seen havnt been like pea's in a pod. some of them have been bred for hundreds of years and still there is a big variation in type. there are still faults and flaws there is noticable differences with different lines. some prefixes can be spotted and recognised before you know there names. why all the fuss. it seems as if its a race to rush this breed pushing it towards the holy grail. KC REG. most folk like this breed becouse they like the type. and will breed for type. even working lads will look at type. even if they do so as a secondary thought. i would have thought the breed would get there through natural selection with the owners being given credit to breed sensibly. as is the case in all breeds. in my opinion the biggest drawback to the plummer cant be seen and will often develope slowly. and thats temprement. a lot of plummers(not all) have a gassy nature. and this makes them difficult to kennel. and most working lads wont put up with fighters a few i have spoke to that tried plummers gave them a reasonable write up for ability but couldnt cope with their quarrelsome and hyper nature. anoth complaint was they can be noisy to kennel anyone got any thoughts on this.

 

and as an aside.

 

what is the plan for this breed for the future. i here kc registration constantly but its generally from the same few names. has this breed got a future as a worker and if so what should be bred for. as it isnt in my opinion an out and out earthdog. more a versitile pest control terrier. how do you place your pups. do you look for digging lads or do you look for lads that do a veriety of dogwork.

 

what age do you think these terriers mature and are ready to enter. there seems to be no end of expert opinion on this breed re showing and breeding but not a lot of input on the working side.

i have a bitch that was an ok worker nothing special but nothing to write home about however at three years old and after having a litter of pups she totaly changed,and is now twice the dog she was in terms of her drive etc..

 

 

Must say that has happened here to, have to look into this one , ive also had terriers that were timid natured (due to my breeding) turn around too.

[EPTR 4]

Glen,I am sorry I misunderstood you,unlike yourself,personal messages sent to me are exactly that,PERSONAL,not for all and sundry,I respect people's privacy in these matter's and when asked for something to be kept between them and me thats the way it stay's,its a shame your not more approachable you may get some yourself,name calling and being rude is about your level of intelligence I'm afraid,throw enough sh*t at someone and hope nobody noticed you never answered any of the questions asked of you,if thats your best strategy it won't work forever,at some point you'll have to give an honest answer,I do not have anything against you personally but it would be nice to get a straight answer about the breeds direction and work ethics before page 50,atb,wirralman

 

 

wirrley dont be daft now your a dodger big style all these pms ..of these owners that need your help ..get on with it you keep saying you will and have offrerd so get on with it. LOLOLOOL..Sory but guess what i dont belive a single word you say now.

 

As for direction..keeping em working and keep em healthy keep the standard and get em recognised ..simple really.Thought this was obviuose!

 

So dont dodge the list of wyremead owners looking to get started you claim to have give them a hand out ..start with the only one you have had ..if you dare

[EPTR 4]

Scars dont mean nowt ..i have dosg thta had scars form biting btches when he was trying to line them ...hardley a gauge for a good working terrier

 

I had a small bicth that had worked many foxes after she was 2 years old and only had a few stripes and they were mainly from ratting. She bolted foxes for fun...she was the terrier that made me buy a lurcher instead of a shotgun...for the bolters.

 

Her brother however was bolting foxes at 7months old and it did'nt ruin him neither.

[stormyboy 1,352]

Better held back from reynard at 7 months. Same as 3 month old puppies and mink. Experience should tell you that.

 

BTW I never asked for the definition of a breed glenn-nice dodge though. A simple "dont know" would suffice.

Edited July 19, 2010 by stormyboy

[EPTR 4]

Better held back from reynard at 7 months. Same as 3 month old puppies and mink. Experience should tell you that.

 

BTW I never asked for the definition of a breed glenn-nice dodge though. A simple "dont know" would suffice.

 

 

"Experince should tell you that "..

 

Firstly... the dog at seven months was not mine lol but i did breed it ,, and yes the owner an ex on here should have known better but then he was only 20 years old.

 

But my little terrier who is "purebred" is keen and i have no intention of keeping her back from using her nose, so she runes with the pack on exercise.. ..

 

If i had known that a mink was in a hole and imenent then she would have course been held up,, but then she would have missed the thrill of the bolt which has galvansied her now to mink scent..so not a bad thing..never seen a mink kill a terrier yet and have seen this happen a few times...over the years.

 

But when you have an extremely good scenting hunting terrier line, then you have to be more than one step ahead of the game...seems im not fast enough on my feet ..or didnt fancy ploughing the brambles to fast.

 

I'm sure you'l agree for once though that better a 3 month old terrier finding its nose than sat in the car..or in kennels.

[EPTR 4]

Better held back from reynard at 7 months. Same as 3 month old puppies and mink. Experience should tell you that.

 

BTW I never asked for the definition of a breed glenn-nice dodge though. A simple "dont know" would suffice.

 

Not a dodge billy but just to let you see the "definition" ..of a breed.

 

So that you can recognise safely that the breed "status " must have occured sometime after you (amongst others) stopped breeding...and breeders took the future and breeding to type seriuosly. You know it must have been when you when you spat your dummy out becasue we were trying to keep to a standard...others did the same and treid to convice the committe that tris and putys were great for the breed .

 

Precise early date ..impossible IMO...but dare i suggest when the defintion could easly been applied once or twice ..once with vipers stock and secondly with cerbys stock. Years apart..both had impacts and made big differences...but new studs are also doing the same now even tho there is no doubt whatsoever the terriers are a breed with a good viable genetic forumla.

[stormyboy 1,352]

Nice backtrack about the wee pup,but i read it first time.

 

RE the breed-like i said a simple "dont know" is sufficient, No lecture required

 

Does make you think though-how can claims be made about this, that or the other dog not being a plummer if no one knows when they came into existence!! LOL.

 

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[Alli 923]

nice 1 clean spade, it only took 40 pages 2 c a worker, credit 2 u

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Glen,you just can't answer anyone without a slur of some sort can you,I would never take anyone with ties to yourself or your dogs,why would I give them any help that could give your strain any credibility,I've been out with a lot of decent terriermen up and down this country and have never heard of 3mth old pups doing the rubbish you come out with,you must have no genuine care for your pup's or dog's come to that matter,I had a look on u-tube the other night at plummer's supposedly working and I'm not 100% sure but I think it was your pack filmed killing a few rats on a pig farm,in a slurry pit,there's no way that I would hunt my dog's in that way,very amateur,watching them dogs trying to swim in thick slurry was very dangerous and not a very efficient way to hunt,bolt with ferrets or smoker and use the air rifle when in the slurry would have been the wise thing to do,going by your odd post on actually working a dog you come across as very limited in your experience, I think you would be better sticking to genetics and percentages than writing posts that show how poor your fieldcraft is,I doubt you've ever scruffed a fox in your life never mind killed one,I've hunted in the best of company and one thing I know is most proper terriermen don't suffer fools and I think you'd be sent back to the car inside of ten minutes or worse,atb,wirralman

 

 

[EPTR 4]

Glen,you just can't answer anyone without a slur of some sort can you,I would never take anyone with ties to yourself or your dogs,why would I give them any help that could give your strain any credibility,I've been out with a lot of decent terriermen up and down this country and have never heard of 3mth old pups doing the rubbish you come out with,you must have no genuine care for your pup's or dog's come to that matter,I had a look on u-tube the other night at plummer's supposedly working and I'm not 100% sure but I think it was your pack filmed killing a few rats on a pig farm,in a slurry pit,there's no way that I would hunt my dog's in that way,very amateur,watching them dogs trying to swim in thick slurry was very dangerous and not a very efficient way to hunt,bolt with ferrets or smoker and use the air rifle when in the slurry would have been the wise thing to do,going by your odd post on actually working a dog you come across as very limited in your experience, I think you would be better sticking to genetics and percentages than writing posts that show how poor your fieldcraft is,I doubt you've ever scruffed a fox in your life never mind killed one,I've hunted in the best of company and one thing I know is most proper terriermen don't suffer fools and I think you'd be sent back to the car inside of ten minutes or worse,atb,wirralman

 

So your offer is now rescinded .fancy that LOL..scared to have to eat your words unbiased nope not you.

 

 

So if you dont want to give credability to my stock this shows ultimate biased LOL something you said before you werent loll..If you breed ever that is ..you may well find that you have no choice but to inject some wyremead blood if it aint allready in your dog!..

 

 

 

As for the rest of your ramblings about what i have not done and have done and how you think it should be done well ..who cares?

 

Like i said i have nothing to prove to you or anyone. The breed is doing well i have a good name as a good breeder of working stock hence the waiting list of clients.

 

You are just starting out and are lecturing me on how to breed how to do this that and the tuther ....so far so good i say! and you still dare'nt even say your name on here !! how can anyone take you seriously?