Plummer terriers

[Toka 10]

SB...i suppose there are two answers, neither will be fully correct though.

i believe in 1996 they were confirmed as a breed? so i suppose from that point on you could say they were Plummer Terriers.....that said i think it will be the same as any other breed becoming a breed.

if it does get kc status they will want to look back at the pedigrees for a certain length of time [which is where the %'s come into it] if there is too heavily a dominated % f one breed or the other, as we know its made up of a few breeds, then they may well just say it is still just a mongrel? if they are happy that they are breeding true and that the peds show they are from other plummer terriers back a certain amount of time they will also accept them as a breed. from that point on though they will monitor/police the pedigrees to make sure that people are breeding them responsibly and true [as best they can]....as had been said it is all down to trust that the peds are in order not only for health but also that the dogs come out of other plummer terriers...

 

a good question, not sure if i have explained myself as best i can, but that is the way i see it....

 

atb

[EPTR 4]

Firstly the definition.of breed by wiki.(we can call the sceintific view)

 

A breed is a group of domestic animals or plants with a homogeneous appearance, behavior, and other characteristics that distinguish it from other animals of the same species. When bred together, animals of the same breed pass on these uniform traits to their offspring, and this ability—known as "breeding true"—is a definitive requirement for a breed.

 

Plant breeds are more commonly known as cultivars. The offspring produced as a result of breeding animals of one breed with other animals of another breed are known as crossbreeds or mixed breeds. Crosses between animal or plant variants above the level of breed/cultivar (species, subspecies, botanical variety, even different genera) are referred to as hybrids.[1]. Breeds are usually not classified scientifically; instead being grouped by breeders according to similar characteristics,

 

Secondly, When can the above defintion of a breed be labeled to have ocured in plummers ?

 

Well about 27 minutes past 6 pm on thursday july 1996 ..but nope joking aside pinpionting this woud leave someone wide open to abuse .by forum useres.

IMO..

[DUCKWING 302]

YAWN ........

 

 

 

DUCKWING

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Glen,yes my argument is repetitive,someone at some point has to test this dog publicly,you say Brian told lies and falsified working certificates,maybe so,no-one will ever know now will they, but at least he realised the merit in having them,and he was'nt scared of letting his strain out to be tested among ordinary dog lads.You can't keep running from the issue of testing your stock,name calling and quoting genes and percentages only serves to hide behind for so long,your mate TOKA talks a lot of sense and is in a priveliged position to give your stock the limelight you crave should you choose to test them yourself,I offered to do this for you and although I have my own bitch now to bring on this winter the offer is still there,I am a tenacious person by nature and will pursue the breeding and testing myself anyway.Brian plummer has had a fair few people come on and post about the quality of his dogs down the year's,and some also that have witnessed them work,but I don't see many rushing to say they have witnessed your modern strains working well at all,are you scared of being found out before KC registration,you can keep hiding but at some point you will have to come out and play with the big boy's in the playground,wirralman

[The Fox hunter 0]

A pic of the bitch climber i believe the book was published in the 70s [bANNED TEXT] their was still the rough haired mongrely terriers that plummer had still about in my area.atb dell

 

I believe that there were only 250 copies of that book ever printed.DBP had the six form girls from Forest comp type it up for him,then had it printed himself.So look after it,good to see though thanks.

I bought in an old petshop nr the sheaf market in sheffield about 82 for a couple of pound as the owner said it had been on the shelf for years.atb dell

 

You lucky bugger Worth a few quid now.I saw a copy about 2/3 yrs ago it was £85..Not seen one since Fair play mate.atb. M

[poacher3161 1,766]

A pic of the bitch climber i believe the book was published in the 70s [bANNED TEXT] their was still the rough haired mongrely terriers that plummer had still about in my area.atb dell

 

I believe that there were only 250 copies of that book ever printed.DBP had the six form girls from Forest comp type it up for him,then had it printed himself.So look after it,good to see though thanks.

I bought in an old petshop nr the sheaf market in sheffield about 82 for a couple of pound as the owner said it had been on the shelf for years.atb dell

 

You lucky bugger Worth a few quid now.I saw a copy about 2/3 yrs ago it was £85..Not seen one since Fair play mate.atb. M

How much jeezzzzz looks like ebay here i come lol.atb dell

[The Fox hunter 0]

A pic of the bitch climber i believe the book was published in the 70s [bANNED TEXT] their was still the rough haired mongrely terriers that plummer had still about in my area.atb dell

 

I believe that there were only 250 copies of that book ever printed.DBP had the six form girls from Forest comp type it up for him,then had it printed himself.So look after it,good to see though thanks.

I bought in an old petshop nr the sheaf market in sheffield about 82 for a couple of pound as the owner said it had been on the shelf for years.atb dell

 

You lucky bugger Worth a few quid now.I saw a copy about 2/3 yrs ago it was £85..Not seen one since Fair play mate.atb. M

How much jeezzzzz looks like ebay here i come lol.atb dell

 

Lol....Well if you do sell it try Coch y bonddu books first on 01654 702837 .

[poacher3161 1,766]

A pic of the bitch climber i believe the book was published in the 70s [bANNED TEXT] their was still the rough haired mongrely terriers that plummer had still about in my area.atb dell

 

I believe that there were only 250 copies of that book ever printed.DBP had the six form girls from Forest comp type it up for him,then had it printed himself.So look after it,good to see though thanks.

I bought in an old petshop nr the sheaf market in sheffield about 82 for a couple of pound as the owner said it had been on the shelf for years.atb dell

 

You lucky bugger Worth a few quid now.I saw a copy about 2/3 yrs ago it was £85..Not seen one since Fair play mate.atb. M

How much jeezzzzz looks like ebay here i come lol.atb dell

 

Lol....Well if you do sell it try Coch y bonddu books first on 01654 702837 .

Cheers mate

[The Fox hunter 0]

A pic of the bitch climber i believe the book was published in the 70s [bANNED TEXT] their was still the rough haired mongrely terriers that plummer had still about in my area.atb dell

 

I believe that there were only 250 copies of that book ever printed.DBP had the six form girls from Forest comp type it up for him,then had it printed himself.So look after it,good to see though thanks.

I bought in an old petshop nr the sheaf market in sheffield about 82 for a couple of pound as the owner said it had been on the shelf for years.atb dell

 

You lucky bugger Worth a few quid now.I saw a copy about 2/3 yrs ago it was £85..Not seen one since Fair play mate.atb. M

How much jeezzzzz looks like ebay here i come lol.atb dell

 

Lol....Well if you do sell it try Coch y bonddu books first on 01654 702837 .

Cheers mate

I have just been on the web site they have one on for £...

[EPTR 4]

Glen,yes my argument is repetitive,someone at some point has to test this dog publicly,you say Brian told lies and falsified working certificates,maybe so,no-one will ever know now will they, but at least he realised the merit in having them,and he was'nt scared of letting his strain out to be tested among ordinary dog lads.You can't keep running from the issue of testing your stock,name calling and quoting genes and percentages only serves to hide behind for so long,your mate TOKA talks a lot of sense and is in a priveliged position to give your stock the limelight you crave should you choose to test them yourself,I offered to do this for you and although I have my own bitch now to bring on this winter the offer is still there,I am a tenacious person by nature and will pursue the breeding and testing myself anyway.Brian plummer has had a fair few people come on and post about the quality of his dogs down the year's,and some also that have witnessed them work,but I don't see many rushing to say they have witnessed your modern strains working well at all,are you scared of being found out before KC registration,you can keep hiding but at some point you will have to come out and play with the big boy's in the playground,wirralman

 

"you say Brian told lies and falsified working certificates,maybe so,no-one will ever know now will they..err yes ive proof here!!

 

" Let them out to ordinary dog lads "..I don't sell them to the queen you know belive it or not i advserise in countrymans weekly ..and guess what they are ordinary folk...though i get my fair share of nutters.

 

Testing dogs publicaly? why? to prove to the few that ..yes he was right it works? waste of time and im not one to do that ..

 

 

I'm more concerned with getting the breeders to keep breeding from the correct stock that has good working instinct and healthy and to protect them from the money grabbers breeding for profit. As Toka has highlighted, previuosly.

 

"our modern strains" ..strians ..not many of them about

 

IMO and esepcily in my own keneels i find the main lines of modern plummers are as good as worker as any "old timer"...you know why? ..because ..guess what they are correctly linebred to the "owd timers"..

 

But these modern plummers have a ditinct advantage they have been improved in all respects.

 

How do i know this?,, experince of owning "owd timers " and improving on them! and now woning and working modern as you like to call them plummers.

 

I will not be taking you up on your daft offer ,,, im happy thnaks and as my the populairty of the breed is climbing , due to the calls each week, then it seems all is doing fine.

 

I suggest you try your new dog out and go forth an multiply.......... it !..we presume its from good working homes and has a reg document...otherwsie you may well have been hoodwinked.

 

We all cant wait for your report on it., as it seems you the breeds fate lies in your hands now as ,you say nobodys coming forth ..all eyes are on you.(well some wont be)

[EPTR 4]

AS REGARDS TO TESTING MY STOCK

 

 

Wirrely 29 june 10.53pm..quote

 

 

"GLEN,lots of your people you have sold pups to are the one's asking me to get their dogs working to ground for them as it seems you can't"...and just now with

 

"I have my own bitch now to bring on this winter the offer is still there,

 

 

May i suggest you get back to those "lots" of peolpe i have sold pups to that seem to be needing your help.....or are they all in your head? ...and im the one with the big ego!!

Edited July 18, 2010 by EPTR

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Glen,try not to get upset its not good for you,have a lie down in a dark room as your spelling normally detiorates along with your mental state it appear's,surely if you've been keeping up with the rest of us you'd know my new bitch has a bad past being nearly kicked to death by some scumbag that got jail,she's 18mth old and in spite of her past is a trusting well mannered little bitch thats fitted straight into our household as if she's alway's lived there,since you ask I'll give you my first report on her,she has a great nose and follows a line well without really knowing what it is,she's caught a few rats in the barn of a local farm,after standing off for a day or two she's now crashing through the cover as well as the other dogs,she's had hold of a few rabbits and now know's what a fox looks like,she's been to ground a couple of times already,which surprised me,and ran through a few local drains that hold now and then ,as I said before my dogs are used in some form of pest control everyday so she is getting a very quick education as to what its all about,she is a long way short of the mark yet but a good harsh,cold winter will bring her on(I hope),it certainly won't fail due to lack of work or chance of seeing enough,nobody knows how well she'll turn out but I have been taking a few pics to record her progress so far.I am certainly not the one that is the breeds savior but I will be endeavouring to breed 100% working PLUMMER's not showponies,atb,wirralman

[EPTR 4]

Glen,try not to get upset its not good for you,have a lie down in a dark room as your spelling normally detiorates along with your mental state it appear's,surely if you've been keeping up with the rest of us you'd know my new bitch has a bad past being nearly kicked to death by some scumbag that got jail,she's 18mth old and in spite of her past is a trusting well mannered little bitch thats fitted straight into our household as if she's alway's lived there,since you ask I'll give you my first report on her,she has a great nose and follows a line well without really knowing what it is,she's caught a few rats in the barn of a local farm,after standing off for a day or two she's now crashing through the cover as well as the other dogs,she's had hold of a few rabbits and now know's what a fox looks like,she's been to ground a couple of times already,which surprised me,and ran through a few local drains that hold now and then ,as I said before my dogs are used in some form of pest control everyday so she is getting a very quick education as to what its all about,she is a long way short of the mark yet but a good harsh,cold winter will bring her on(I hope),it certainly won't fail due to lack of work or chance of seeing enough,nobody knows how well she'll turn out but I have been taking a few pics to record her progress so far.I am certainly not the one that is the breeds savior but I will be endeavouring to breed 100% working PLUMMER's not showponies,atb,wirralman

 

 

I dint ask anything about your new bitch did i ..er nope ...

We dont want a report about that..i want a report about the above the post you just dodged here it is again...

 

"GLEN,lots of your people you have sold pups to are the one's asking me to get their dogs working to ground for them as it seems you can't"...and just now with

 

"I have my own bitch now to bring on this winter the offer is still there,"

 

 

May i suggest you get back to those "lots" of peolpe i have sold pups to that seem to be needing your help.....or are they all in your head?

 

So no excuses now you have loads of my stock begging to be shown the ropes according to you so ..get on with it ..lolololololol

[Alli 923]

one thing 4 sure. plummer left his mark. puting pen to paper, good school teacher. ad his fame wi richard whitly. then put his piont to goverment (badger diggers are scum ) wat a man, then name a terrier after himself (joke)are u all blinkerd, no ur only kidding urselves. went to a terrier show today never have i heard so much bull. one plummer owner had 30 somthing digs wi his pair of plummers (digs lol) i work russel types n good bayers. but still get get bitten [bANNED TEXT] thay hold there quarry hard [bANNED TEXT] needed there not hard dogs wat i have but true honest workers, thay carry old n new work scars. as does any earth dog. so tell me. how come plummers dont get marked [bANNED TEXT] worked to fox, am i missing somthing er. a lot of bull shit i think. prove me wrong please. u never will. no disrispect.

[bedlam 0]

i might have missed something along the way. but all this talk of type and breeding for type/comformation has had me thinking. the kennel club terriers ive seen havnt been like pea's in a pod. some of them have been bred for hundreds of years and still there is a big variation in type. there are still faults and flaws there is noticable differences with different lines. some prefixes can be spotted and recognised before you know there names. why all the fuss. it seems as if its a race to rush this breed pushing it towards the holy grail. KC REG. most folk like this breed becouse they like the type. and will breed for type. even working lads will look at type. even if they do so as a secondary thought. i would have thought the breed would get there through natural selection with the owners being given credit to breed sensibly. as is the case in all breeds. in my opinion the biggest drawback to the plummer cant be seen and will often develope slowly. and thats temprement. a lot of plummers(not all) have a gassy nature. and this makes them difficult to kennel. and most working lads wont put up with fighters a few i have spoke to that tried plummers gave them a reasonable write up for ability but couldnt cope with their quarrelsome and hyper nature. anoth complaint was they can be noisy to kennel anyone got any thoughts on this.

 

and as an aside.

 

what is the plan for this breed for the future. i here kc registration constantly but its generally from the same few names. has this breed got a future as a worker and if so what should be bred for. as it isnt in my opinion an out and out earthdog. more a versitile pest control terrier. how do you place your pups. do you look for digging lads or do you look for lads that do a veriety of dogwork.

 

what age do you think these terriers mature and are ready to enter. there seems to be no end of expert opinion on this breed re showing and breeding but not a lot of input on the working side.

i have a bitch that was an ok worker nothing special but nothing to write home about however at three years old and after having a litter of pups she totaly changed,and is now twice the dog she was in terms of her drive etc..