Plummer terriers

[stormyboy 1,352]

Cheers keeps. Was that J,W.s stuff?

[fireman 10,859]

So some plummers do work,some bolt,some stay till dug and some don't even go into the dark and some are saying things are different with other terrier types or breeds? .The thing with the plummer is unlike the other working types they ain't been around long and were never ment to be souly earth dogs so to compare them up against dogs with such great digging/working history as the terriers from the fells/borders/hills and dales (and some moor down cornwall/devon way lol)is what non plummer owners tend to do,i myself would never do such a thing as all i have is a plummer who does a bit,her parents both did/do a bit and well proved themselves,her grand sire did a little bit as did a gt,grand sire and maybe a dog or two back in her ped,see what i mean no comparison in working history and only a foolish plummer owner(opening there lads for a pun or two )would try to do so.

[J Darcy 5,871]

look on the gallary, plenty legaly caught fox, plenty digging pics. over 3000 pt club members, not 1 pic of a plummer doing earth work, PLUMMER not cross bred plummer, rest my case lol

 

 

alli,I know the reputation plummer terrier's have among working dog men and I would agree that while these pups are being bred for sale to the highest bidder 95% of them will never see earthwork,if the drive to breed recognised worker's of the right size was pursued as strongly as the pursuit of KC registration then we would see a change in attitude from people like yourself,if you have never worked this type of dog then you will not be aware of its ability.Picture's can be put up but what does that prove?I've seen picture's put up on here of dogs smashed up and all and sundry come on and congratulate them,why?I've kept most types of terrier and have plenty of pics of dogs smashed up with dead foxes and I learnt my lessons the hard way on some mega-digs taking up to 2 days,the plummer's I have owned are a clever little dog and are not any different than a good leggy russell,if they can bolt a fox clean they will,your red dogs,fells,lakies etc are not very bright upstairs and try to kill everything they come into contact with,every earth becomes a dig and your stuck there half the day at the first hole you come to,thats not a very efficient use of your time or dog,then the dog is laid up for 2wks while it heals up.I can do all the earth's on a farm or estate while your still digging at the first,sometimes,especially at the beginning of the season I find some dogs go in too hard and get chewed up a bit but then for the rest of the season they settle down to what they do best,bolting,some can be called from the earth,a very handy thing when your somewhere you should'nt be, I'd love to see you call your dog out of an earth,I have seen a couple of very hard plummer's that were too hard for me to work regular and were every bit as tough as a fell or lakie but they tended to be a bit bigger than mine,these are my own experiences and have gave an honest account,not every plummer plays with rats,atb,wirralman

 

 

Don't talk silly. As if every other breed is laid up for 2 weeks. I have seen a few dogs that were "bolters" only and there is a word for them...Jackers.

[donnyc 1,203]

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[donnyc 1,203]

look on the gallary, plenty legaly caught fox, plenty digging pics. over 3000 pt club members, not 1 pic of a plummer doing earth work, PLUMMER not cross bred plummer, rest my case lol

 

 

alli,I know the reputation plummer terrier's have among working dog men and I would agree that while these pups are being bred for sale to the highest bidder 95% of them will never see earthwork,if the drive to breed recognised worker's of the right size was pursued as strongly as the pursuit of KC registration then we would see a change in attitude from people like yourself,if you have never worked this type of dog then you will not be aware of its ability.Picture's can be put up but what does that prove?I've seen picture's put up on here of dogs smashed up and all and sundry come on and congratulate them,why?I've kept most types of terrier and have plenty of pics of dogs smashed up with dead foxes and I learnt my lessons the hard way on some mega-digs taking up to 2 days,the plummer's I have owned are a clever little dog and are not any different than a good leggy russell,if they can bolt a fox clean they will,your red dogs,fells,lakies etc are not very bright upstairs and try to kill everything they come into contact with,every earth becomes a dig and your stuck there half the day at the first hole you come to,thats not a very efficient use of your time or dog,then the dog is laid up for 2wks while it heals up.I can do all the earth's on a farm or estate while your still digging at the first,sometimes,especially at the beginning of the season I find some dogs go in too hard and get chewed up a bit but then for the rest of the season they settle down to what they do best,bolting,some can be called from the earth,a very handy thing when your somewhere you should'nt be, I'd love to see you call your dog out of an earth,I have seen a couple of very hard plummer's that were too hard for me to work regular and were every bit as tough as a fell or lakie but they tended to be a bit bigger than mine,these are my own experiences and have gave an honest account,not every plummer plays with rats,atb,wirralman

 

 

Don't talk silly. As if every other breed is laid up for 2 weeks. I have seen a few dogs that were "bolters" only and there is a word for them...Jackers.

Define a bolter Mr D ..

[johnny boy68 11,726]

look on the gallary, plenty legaly caught fox, plenty digging pics. over 3000 pt club members, not 1 pic of a plummer doing earth work, PLUMMER not cross bred plummer, rest my case lol

 

 

alli,I know the reputation plummer terrier's have among working dog men and I would agree that while these pups are being bred for sale to the highest bidder 95% of them will never see earthwork,if the drive to breed recognised worker's of the right size was pursued as strongly as the pursuit of KC registration then we would see a change in attitude from people like yourself,if you have never worked this type of dog then you will not be aware of its ability.Picture's can be put up but what does that prove?I've seen picture's put up on here of dogs smashed up and all and sundry come on and congratulate them,why?I've kept most types of terrier and have plenty of pics of dogs smashed up with dead foxes and I learnt my lessons the hard way on some mega-digs taking up to 2 days,the plummer's I have owned are a clever little dog and are not any different than a good leggy russell,if they can bolt a fox clean they will,your red dogs,fells,lakies etc are not very bright upstairs and try to kill everything they come into contact with,every earth becomes a dig and your stuck there half the day at the first hole you come to,thats not a very efficient use of your time or dog,then the dog is laid up for 2wks while it heals up.I can do all the earth's on a farm or estate while your still digging at the first,sometimes,especially at the beginning of the season I find some dogs go in too hard and get chewed up a bit but then for the rest of the season they settle down to what they do best,bolting,some can be called from the earth,a very handy thing when your somewhere you should'nt be, I'd love to see you call your dog out of an earth,I have seen a couple of very hard plummer's that were too hard for me to work regular and were every bit as tough as a fell or lakie but they tended to be a bit bigger than mine,these are my own experiences and have gave an honest account,not every plummer plays with rats,atb,wirralman

 

 

Don't talk silly. As if every other breed is laid up for 2 weeks. I have seen a few dogs that were "bolters" only and there is a word for them...Jackers.

What about when you've got a fox in a rock pile that can't be dug,what do you do?Put your "jacker" in to bolt him to the guns

[J Darcy 5,871]

look on the gallary, plenty legaly caught fox, plenty digging pics. over 3000 pt club members, not 1 pic of a plummer doing earth work, PLUMMER not cross bred plummer, rest my case lol

 

 

alli,I know the reputation plummer terrier's have among working dog men and I would agree that while these pups are being bred for sale to the highest bidder 95% of them will never see earthwork,if the drive to breed recognised worker's of the right size was pursued as strongly as the pursuit of KC registration then we would see a change in attitude from people like yourself,if you have never worked this type of dog then you will not be aware of its ability.Picture's can be put up but what does that prove?I've seen picture's put up on here of dogs smashed up and all and sundry come on and congratulate them,why?I've kept most types of terrier and have plenty of pics of dogs smashed up with dead foxes and I learnt my lessons the hard way on some mega-digs taking up to 2 days,the plummer's I have owned are a clever little dog and are not any different than a good leggy russell,if they can bolt a fox clean they will,your red dogs,fells,lakies etc are not very bright upstairs and try to kill everything they come into contact with,every earth becomes a dig and your stuck there half the day at the first hole you come to,thats not a very efficient use of your time or dog,then the dog is laid up for 2wks while it heals up.I can do all the earth's on a farm or estate while your still digging at the first,sometimes,especially at the beginning of the season I find some dogs go in too hard and get chewed up a bit but then for the rest of the season they settle down to what they do best,bolting,some can be called from the earth,a very handy thing when your somewhere you should'nt be, I'd love to see you call your dog out of an earth,I have seen a couple of very hard plummer's that were too hard for me to work regular and were every bit as tough as a fell or lakie but they tended to be a bit bigger than mine,these are my own experiences and have gave an honest account,not every plummer plays with rats,atb,wirralman

 

 

Don't talk silly. As if every other breed is laid up for 2 weeks. I have seen a few dogs that were "bolters" only and there is a word for them...Jackers.

What about when you've got a fox in a rock pile that can't be dug,what do you do?Put your "jacker" in to bolt him to the guns

 

Yes, i know that. I have always owned a jacker.

[donnyc 1,203]

look on the gallary, plenty legaly caught fox, plenty digging pics. over 3000 pt club members, not 1 pic of a plummer doing earth work, PLUMMER not cross bred plummer, rest my case lol

 

 

alli,I know the reputation plummer terrier's have among working dog men and I would agree that while these pups are being bred for sale to the highest bidder 95% of them will never see earthwork,if the drive to breed recognised worker's of the right size was pursued as strongly as the pursuit of KC registration then we would see a change in attitude from people like yourself,if you have never worked this type of dog then you will not be aware of its ability.Picture's can be put up but what does that prove?I've seen picture's put up on here of dogs smashed up and all and sundry come on and congratulate them,why?I've kept most types of terrier and have plenty of pics of dogs smashed up with dead foxes and I learnt my lessons the hard way on some mega-digs taking up to 2 days,the plummer's I have owned are a clever little dog and are not any different than a good leggy russell,if they can bolt a fox clean they will,your red dogs,fells,lakies etc are not very bright upstairs and try to kill everything they come into contact with,every earth becomes a dig and your stuck there half the day at the first hole you come to,thats not a very efficient use of your time or dog,then the dog is laid up for 2wks while it heals up.I can do all the earth's on a farm or estate while your still digging at the first,sometimes,especially at the beginning of the season I find some dogs go in too hard and get chewed up a bit but then for the rest of the season they settle down to what they do best,bolting,some can be called from the earth,a very handy thing when your somewhere you should'nt be, I'd love to see you call your dog out of an earth,I have seen a couple of very hard plummer's that were too hard for me to work regular and were every bit as tough as a fell or lakie but they tended to be a bit bigger than mine,these are my own experiences and have gave an honest account,not every plummer plays with rats,atb,wirralman

 

 

Don't talk silly. As if every other breed is laid up for 2 weeks. I have seen a few dogs that were "bolters" only and there is a word for them...Jackers.

Define a bolter Mr D ..??

[Pendragon 2 0]

Ruby is Colaport Jill x Remlap Boyo, Boyo being a son of Bedlam, Bedlam by Vandal

Edited July 6, 2010 by Pendragon 2

[brianL84 11]

well i would put ruby against anybodys dog on here and would be 100% confident she wouldnt let you down shes just one of they dogs that had to be seen to believe what she could do

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

If it ment my old plummer dog would die i would still wish for every plummer to drop dead tomorrow.

waste of time and money, moody, tempramentel, over rated shit.

[stormyboy 1,352]

If it ment my old plummer dog would die i would still wish for every plummer to drop dead tomorrow.

waste of time and money, moody, tempramentel, over rated shit.

 

Enough about the owners,what about the dogs?

[stormyboy 1,352]

Ruby is Colaport Jill x Remlap Boyo, Boyo being a son of Bedlam, Bedlam by Vandal

 

[wirral countryman 2,110]

johnny boy 68,as I said,its what suits me and not you,there are no rock piles anywhere I go these days,I've worked rockpiles and cairns when in scotland in my younger days and I agree that a good hard dog is needed but not round here,MY dogs suit ME and nobody else,try walking down the road or let your kids take them down the park smashed up and scarred because you would have your dogs took off you in 5 mins,they're just not for me anymore. J DARCY,if you've never had a dog smashed up for a week or two then you've never had a hard bitten dog that only knows one way to go.with little brains and no common sense,if you don't dig quick enough or its too deep then its a dead fox,I 've had dogs eat the lower mandible,teeth and all if thats hard enough for you,there's a difference between a dog that works a fox and one that tries to rush in,I don't call that jacking,jacker's won't even look at an earth never mind enter it,I thought this thread was for those that own and work plummers not for people to come on and slate us owner's that are trying to forward it as a working dog thats known for more than just rats,healthy debate is fine but one line unsubstantiated rubbish only shows the depth of your knowledge when it comes to plummer terrier's,as a moderator you should promote healthy debate backed up with knowledge of the breed and its working abilities not trying to get a rise out of people that keep and work them,atb,wirralman

[Cleanspade 3,322]

look on the gallary, plenty legaly caught fox, plenty digging pics. over 3000 pt club members, not 1 pic of a plummer doing earth work, PLUMMER not cross bred plummer, rest my case lol

 

 

alli,I know the reputation plummer terrier's have among working dog men and I would agree that while these pups are being bred for sale to the highest bidder 95% of them will never see earthwork,if the drive to breed recognised worker's of the right size was pursued as strongly as the pursuit of KC registration then we would see a change in attitude from people like yourself,if you have never worked this type of dog then you will not be aware of its ability.Picture's can be put up but what does that prove?I've seen picture's put up on here of dogs smashed up and all and sundry come on and congratulate them,why?I've kept most types of terrier and have plenty of pics of dogs smashed up with dead foxes and I learnt my lessons the hard way on some mega-digs taking up to 2 days,the plummer's I have owned are a clever little dog and are not any different than a good leggy russell,if they can bolt a fox clean they will,your red dogs,fells,lakies etc are not very bright upstairs and try to kill everything they come into contact with,every earth becomes a dig and your stuck there half the day at the first hole you come to,thats not a very efficient use of your time or dog,then the dog is laid up for 2wks while it heals up.I can do all the earth's on a farm or estate while your still digging at the first,sometimes,especially at the beginning of the season I find some dogs go in too hard and get chewed up a bit but then for the rest of the season they settle down to what they do best,bolting,some can be called from the earth,a very handy thing when your somewhere you should'nt be, I'd love to see you call your dog out of an earth,I have seen a couple of very hard plummer's that were too hard for me to work regular and were every bit as tough as a fell or lakie but they tended to be a bit bigger than mine,these are my own experiences and have gave an honest account,not every plummer plays with rats,atb,wirralman

 

 

do you dig over your terrier wirrman? how do you rate his staying ability if so?

wirrall man id like too see you do the earths we hunt in a day with your so called educated dogs and get results as for caling them out i dont think you d have too as they d probably be standing at your heels refusing to enter you actually have the nerve to say in so many words that your bolters are better than proper earth dogs prat you keep telling yourself that and maybe one day you ll believe it i personally think your actually just a lazy person who is nt prepared too put the hard work into rearing and working a proper earth dog so you ve settled for a very poor second best killing rats the staple work of the common house cat.

 

 

ive aqllways prefared a bolter to a digging dog. i wouldnt thank you for a stay till dug to dog. if you cant see the benefits a good bolting terrier brings. then its your loss. i admire a good digging dog but wouldnt own something that is counter productive in the way i work my dogs. if you prefare to dig all day to a dog thats fine by me. why do you feel the need to slate dogs that can put 5 or six out to the gun in the same time scale. a GOOD bolting dog is worth two digging dogs in my book. and leaves your prefared terriers workstyle in the shade. and a very poor second best.

some people actually keep digging dogs so they can dig to them.A test for the dog and a test for the man

 

and some need them for shifting foxes. pest control. different dog for a different job thats all. no biggy