Plummer terriers

[fireman 10,869]

In fact glen a lot of us belive very little from the divvy's that have the breed at heart,old hands inclueded .Just for the record it was the rat net maker who told me the story about the dogs being tied up and you are the first i've heard to question the story,as for what went in only plummer himself would know truely that and unless you can talk to the dead no one will ever know for sure.

[EPTR 4]

In fact glen a lot of us belive very little from the divvy's that have the breed at heart,old hands inclueded .Just for the record it was the rat net maker who told me the story about the dogs being tied up and you are the first i've heard to question the story,as for what went in only plummer himself would know truely that and unless you can talk to the dead no one will ever know for sure.

 

Think you'l find curtis spread the word to everyone about that story including father christman jacko!..I question most things from liars ..both of the above have been caught out.

 

The dvd is of plummer himself saying what he put in the breed ..guess what ive yet to call him back as no doubt he wants to be come a millionair on our expense.So much for "doing it for the breed"..

[EPTR 4]

TRAPPING AND RELLEASING MINK is illegal by the way... some lads our always asking me for a trapped mink to show there pups .."ask our mutual friend "

 

 

I know it is Glenn and so it should be, I believe that they should enter naturally.I don't think that the practice teachs pups anything a bit like end hole work.They learn far more if they enter naturally and work their quarry in its natural environment.

 

 

This is a picture of my 12week old bitch pup 2weeks ago coming out of a tree root system on my lake edge after a mink was marked by the pack she went in amongst the meley between the legs of the pack unfortunatly she is always in the thick of it..the mink bolted in the water and dived.. the bubbles were seen and the pack removed. As they had done there bit marking the holes. The water level has droped by over 18inches and now the edge of the lake is one big tree root system heaven for mink . We are yet to catch up with the mink so a evening stroll with a single terrier and airrifle is due.

 

 

The pup went back in and had top be drasgged out came out chewing the tail of a chub!

[samba 534]

this debate will go on for ever but the truth is what ever organisation

your plummer comes from or curtis your dogs will all go back to PLUMMER himself somewhere along the line end of

[stormyboy 1,352]

this debate will go on for ever but the truth is what ever organisation

your plummer comes from or curtis your dogs will all go back to PLUMMER himself somewhere along the line end of

 

 

Well said. those selling dogs off the back of that fact would do well to remember it before slagging the man.

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

The breeds way to popular

even the guy next door has one, he is on about putting it in pup as "she has papers and there fetching £250"......

[wirral countryman 2,110]

glen why would you let a 12 week old pup anywhere near to a mink,you are just confirming how inexperienced and foolish you obviously are,if you're catching mink regular (lol's) as you state then you must be aware of the damage they can do to a small pup with baby teeth,are you that desparate to try to get a puppy to work,as you state she is always in the thick of it then at least get her proper teeth down and matured a bit before letting her anywhere near to quarry or you'll mess up another potential worker that could have made it in the right hands,wirralman

[EPTR 4]

glen why would you let a 12 week old pup anywhere near to a mink,you are just confirming how inexperienced and foolish you obviously are,if you're catching mink regular (lol's) as you state then you must be aware of the damage they can do to a small pup with baby teeth,are you that desparate to try to get a puppy to work,as you state she is always in the thick of it then at least get her proper teeth down and matured a bit before letting her anywhere near to quarry or you'll mess up another potential worker that could have made it in the right hands,wirralman

 

Perhaps i should elaborate for you wirral as you seem to allege that i knowingly entered a 12week old pup into a mink holt. Which as you say could ruin her and would also be illegal...

 

My youngsters come with me most days on my rounds and this particular youngster is very keen, to enter scrub and bush unlike other breeds of the same age. So when we have a trip around my lake most days , the pack comes along. usualy as an indicater by marking as this time.

 

Now seeing as this pup will keep up easily she will follow and even heads them sometimes into the brambles around the edge which can be anything from 20 yards deep to 2 yards deep before the waters edge.

 

You see proper plummers from workers are born to work! Now if I had known there was actually a mink abroad or possibly one knocking about the pup and pack would have been left in the vehicle but this was actually a chance encounter a mark by the pack and included the pup .

 

Now aAs I said the pup being so small is faster at going thro the undergorwth than my 6 foot stature and so was there before I could get down the banking to them and her...and call them off.which prooves very hard, as i would'nt want to be deemed hunting.

 

I hope this helps you understand ! as for ME messing up potential wokers ... far from it ,, I pride myself on rehoming or enetering other plummers that have failed elsewhere..Infact the list is quite substantial now.

[EPTR 4]

this debate will go on for ever but the truth is what ever organisation

your plummer comes from or curtis your dogs will all go back to PLUMMER himself somewhere along the line end of

 

 

Well said. those selling dogs off the back of that fact would do well to remember it before slagging the man.

 

 

Like fireman says it could be argued that plummer gave them up..surely the clubs and breeders are responsible for the maiantance as plummer never actuly produced any terriers after may 1997 and and of the two one was crippled.

 

Infact in all the time I knew him he bred less than you did bill!...He was happy to let others carry on and without one iowata of advise...untill HE ALONE decided that all who had treid hard to maintain the "type " and defened the "type" back then from the "its a jr" divvys suddenly found years of planned matings with accompanied expenses down the swanny...and he expected them to say nowt as he wacked "coco the clowns"...pet bull onto mask ..after all rome wasnt built in a day.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

GLEN,the sad part of a your very weak explanation is that you actually believe the rubbish you come out with,I take all my dogs out from 12wks also but never allow them near anything that can hurt or damage their developement ,knowing your ground and quarry is part of the responsibility of bringing a pup on,at 12wks a small pup is nowhere near the speed of an adult terrier through cover or anything else for that matter,so either your adult dogs are very slow or your making it up again,you make yourself look very foolish when trying to big up a 12wk old pup as a true worker,come back after 5 seasons of hard graft facing all before it and make that statement and I will gladly shake your hand and acknowledge you as breeding working dogs,in your dream you say that you have entered terrier's for people who have failed with them,who are they?more women and children that know nothing or one end of a field from another,there is no hidden secret in entering good terrier's,most self enter when they're ready,it only takes time with good breeding.I would like you to answer just 1 question honestly if you can for me"do you believe you have bred more working terrier's than brian plummer himself,or any other known plummer breeder?"try to be honest and by worker I mean fox,rats,rabbits,mink and anything else you care to add to the list but these dogs must do "all" not just rats,if you believe it to be someone else please name them,wirralman

[EPTR 4]

GLEN,the sad part of a your very weak explanation is that you actually believe the rubbish you come out with,I take all my dogs out from 12wks also but never allow them near anything that can hurt or damage their developement ,knowing your ground and quarry is part of the responsibility of bringing a pup on,at 12wks a small pup is nowhere near the speed of an adult terrier through cover or anything else for that matter,so either your adult dogs are very slow or your making it up again,you make yourself look very foolish when trying to big up a 12wk old pup as a true worker,come back after 5 seasons of hard graft facing all before it and make that statement and I will gladly shake your hand and acknowledge you as breeding working dogs,in your dream you say that you have entered terrier's for people who have failed with them,who are they?more women and children that know nothing or one end of a field from another,there is no hidden secret in entering good terrier's,most self enter when they're ready,it only takes time with good breeding.I would like you to answer just 1 question honestly if you can for me"do you believe you have bred more working terrier's than brian plummer himself,or any other known plummer breeder?"try to be honest and by worker I mean fox,rats,rabbits,mink and anything else you care to add to the list but these dogs must do "all" not just rats,if you believe it to be someone else please name them,wirralman

 

If you don't belive me ask toka, i belive you are aquainted and ...he sees the places i work.

 

If i could see into the future as you seem to think i should be able to by "knowing my ground"..all 10mile of river system and the edge of 45acres of lake ..and could predict eaxctly where quarry would be then the pup would be left in kennels ..but seeing as i cant i let them self hunt.

 

I have enetered and retrianed many terriers the owners names would mean nothing to anyone on here esepcliy you, and dont real;;y giev a stuff what you seem to think.You seem to hide behind this wirrel man i dont!

 

As for my breedings i int going down that path with a nobody, who wants a cheap plummer again scrougers everywhere.

[stormyboy 1,352]

Do you realize what you just asked wirralman!? Youve asked the tedious king of self promotion to acknowledge someone else without insult!!

Never gonna happen! Notice the little spite jibe in the reply to me-"plummer bred even less than you did Bill".

A pointless statement,as i have never claimed to be a big time breeder. As ive said-if it makes the fool feel better about himself,be my guest.

More schoolground name calling-curtis the motorway man or some such nonsense. coco the clown? This is what children do,not grown men.

Its a very sad indictment for the plummer. Carry on one eyed king,his OPINION matters only in his world.....

[EPTR 4]

Do you realize what you just asked wirralman!? Youve asked the tedious king of self promotion to acknowledge someone else without insult!!

Never gonna happen! Notice the little spite jibe in the reply to me-"plummer bred even less than you did Bill".

A pointless statement,as i have never claimed to be a big time breeder. As ive said-if it makes the fool feel better about himself,be my guest.

More schoolground name calling-curtis the motorway man or some such nonsense. coco the clown? This is what children do,not grown men.

Its a very sad indictment for the plummer. Carry on one eyed king,his OPINION matters only in his world.....

 

Credit where its due Bill not with you tho.."those selling plummers under his name etc etc" ..having ago again Bill ..if you dont like someones opinion then turn yopuir computer off .

 

..curits was in my opiinion the one man that I considered a lifeline for the type back then until he got greedy the rest is history ..IMO

 

Plummer yes a very intesreting man born liar and fraudster and a laugh a minute but IMO

 

..keyrolos another coco the clown and fame seeker without the work being put in...fool again IMO

 

All IMO which will be freely voiced, and if it ofends so be it. Free country ..seems i've opened a few peolpes eyes about you to Bill acording to the pms after a week away !

 

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[stormyboy 1,352]

i've opened a few peolpes eyes about you to Bill acording to the pms after a week away !

 

No doubt-I would expect nothing else- Bitchy gossip is your specialty. Whats a peolpes by the way?

[fireman 10,869]

So glen how many stud dogs or brood bitches in your kennels are 100% workers,meaning fully tested proven terriers and not just bushing dogs?.