Plummer terriers

[stormyboy 1,352]

The old San bred lines used to produce weatherproof coats-smooth but thick. Not as tidy as the real tight coated ones but warmer. The tight coats look better but as said dont offer as much protection. Tail ends suffer in brambles too,but was never a problem with the thicker coats.

[tinytiger 826]

http://en.wikipedia....ybrid_(biology)

 

 

and if you click on canid hybrids it takes you to this page.i rest my case

 

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Canid_hybrid

SPECIES not BREED

Tinytiger im not being pedantic about this, you mentioned breeding for hybrid vigour which if you do know anything about genetics you ARENT doing.dont call one thing by the name of another, anyone who doesnt know anything about genetics reading your post will believe what you are saying whereas anyone who does know anything about genetics and dog breeding will of course know different.its wrong to put things like this in the public domain as thats how myths and misinformation start.before you know it every numpty reading this will be quoting you and saying ive crossed my russell with a plummer cos im breeding for hybrid vigour!

 

 

tell us all about it so,its a phenomenon thats immediaely apparant in newborn pups..look at the olympic decathalon CHAMPIONS,Daley Thompson,Dan o Brien,brian clay>ALL HALF CASTE,basically what your saying is offspring that dont come from parents of completely diffefent species are incapable of coming more vigorous/better than either parent>why do people who do fen coursing use saluki/greyhounds? Vigor.Why are crossbred hounds used throughout the whole world.

 

Your so smart ,you have to be a MANPANZEE.<a href="http://s905.photobuc...ent=pups030.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i905.photobuc...tos/pups030.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

 

f2 plummer/pitbull Hybrids,crossbreeds,mongrels whatever you want to call them,Lets not be pedantic

Edited June 10, 2010 by tinytiger

[MOO 730]

i know Moo digs to his little plummer bitch alot, think she had nearly digs last season. hes just put Teflons non stick irish staff over her to get some good hard digging dogs.

Shes no bad little ratter either.....I think him and Alimac are starting there own line.

She is only doubled up on such testing quarry as rattus norvegicus

[fireman 10,869]

What sort of dog in the plummer make up would have produced a coat like that Pointer,you say it was a accidental brother/sister mating so they both were carriers as such of the long coated gene.Just wondering what would have brought that gene/coat into the pool as it were?,will add i've seen a few pure plummers looking a little rough collie like in shape but none with such a rough coat.

[JR Yipp 111]

i know Moo digs to his little plummer bitch alot, think she had nearly digs last season. hes just put Teflons non stick irish staff over her to get some good hard digging dogs.

Shes no bad little ratter either.....I think him and Alimac are starting there own line.

She is only doubled up on such testing quarry as rattus norvegicus

 

i do like where their going with the line tho, no club rules or polictical nonsense. just good hard working plummers, for work not for show or ££££££.

[poacher3161 1,766]

The old San bred lines used to produce weatherproof coats-smooth but thick. Not as tidy as the real tight coated ones but warmer. The tight coats look better but as said dont offer as much protection. Tail ends suffer in brambles too,but was never a problem with the thicker coats.

The coates on the ones i saw years ago were more like a bedlingtons they were out of hellion i believe as plummer left some of his terriers with walt the rabbit [bANNED TEXT] he left rotherham years ago

[stormyboy 1,352]

I think you may be thinking of Brians original stuff from the vallys poacher. He did have a rough coated dog called San from these lines which were the predecessors of the more recent pattern marked dogs brian put his name on. Chances are that there was a touch of bedlington somewhere.I believe they vally boys used whatever did the job at the time. The dog i was referring to was matthew Pye's,a son of Rollo. Hope that clarifies it.

Still when you think about it,you never know when recessives can surface to bite you on the arse! Mask and Alice were both tight coated.

[poacher3161 1,766]

I think you may be thinking of Brians original stuff from the vallys poacher. He did have a rough coated dog called San from these lines which were the predecessors of the more recent pattern marked dogs brian put his name on. Chances are that there was a touch of bedlington somewhere.I believe they vally boys used whatever did the job at the time. The dog i was referring to was matthew Pye's,a son of Rollo. Hope that clarifies it.

Still when you think about it,you never know when recessives can surface to bite you on the arse! Mask and Alice were both tight coated.

You are right they were is original stuff from wales so i was told and they were very good digging dogs and i believe some of this blood is still about.I was under the impression that modern plummer terriers were bred from plummers original stock you will have to excuse my ignorance as lurchers are my main intrest but i am intrested in some of the old strains of other types of working dogs. atvb dell

[stormyboy 1,352]

Im told some of these old "ragtag" terriers were game to the point of suicidal! There are some photos in a couple of Brians books of Dai fish with some of them-"The working terrier" i think. A motley looking crew!

[pointer 543]

What sort of dog in the plummer make up would have produced a coat like that Pointer,you say it was a accidental brother/sister mating so they both were carriers as such of the long coated gene.Just wondering what would have brought that gene/coat into the pool as it were?,will add i've seen a few pure plummers looking a little rough collie like in shape but none with such a rough coat.

 

I cant say for sure,inbreeding might have brought it out.Dare i say the pedigrees of some plummers back then may not of been as stated either way it dosent matter,that bitch is dead and i havent got anything from her.I did breed another two bithes similar to that one but they are just seeing out their days ratting on a farm.

[EPTR 4]

Both parents mask x alice eh..now that is interesting

 

42.9% inbred

 

39.1% rollo (f1) and 6.3% san bad coats but in my eyes not that type of coat texture..mmm looks like the coat that raggy doll had who was i belive related to quest who i think ...i recall cp saying was the dam of mask..there was always a debate over the pedigree of mask in my eyes. this type of inbreeding to quest would not only produce pale noses but lillty coats to in 25% of the offspring...the plot thickens.

 

Must say i agree with you about the coats the show plummers are fine and smooth ..mine being kenneld outside are thick and soft double plie almost in some of the dogs.

[pointer 543]

Thats kind of what i was hinting at but thought id let you tell the story. CP told me that Mask wasnt out of Quest so thats that really but as someone said in EDRD this month you cant be sure of a dogs pedigree 100% unless you witnessed the mating and knew no other dog had been near the bitch.

I liked Quest and it wouldnt bother me one bit if my terriers were bred down from her.....dought ill get that coat again anyway,if anything my Red dog and my pup could do with thicker coats.

I recall being out with hounds one day years ago and when asked how my pup was bred was told "ah,the dog with two pedigrees".Best left at that,that bitches sister and two brothers had good thick smooth coats but certainly not tight.Just the type of coat i like actually.

[samba 534]

i once bred my plummer bitch who was out of mask she was smooth coated

but her brother was rough but her to a dog out of jackxsadie who was smooth

and produce 2rough pups out the litter

[poacher3161 1,766]

Im told some of these old "ragtag" terriers were game to the point of suicidal! There are some photos in a couple of Brians books of Dai fish with some of them-"The working terrier" i think. A motley looking crew!

Going on wat very honest genuine lads i know who had them this is very true and once enterd had to be dug to to get them out

[EPTR 4]

Thats kind of what i was hinting at but thought id let you tell the story. CP told me that Mask wasnt out of Quest so thats that really but as someone said in EDRD this month you cant be sure of a dogs pedigree 100% unless you witnessed the mating and knew no other dog had been near the bitch.

I liked Quest and it wouldnt bother me one bit if my terriers were bred down from her.....dought ill get that coat again anyway,if anything my Red dog and my pup could do with thicker coats.

I recall being out with hounds one day years ago and when asked how my pup was bred was told "ah,the dog with two pedigrees".Best left at that,that bitches sister and two brothers had good thick smooth coats but certainly not tight.Just the type of coat i like actually.

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I may well be wrong pionter but i recall at the time cp was getting depserate and the quote below from the bible that cp had and nobody else did .. ...says alot . I did mention to him that he had never used Quest ..turns out he had and had terrible results, and would never elaberate!

 

You will need a replacement for Rocky ~ I would choose

one of his inbred daughters: Alice, Nyad perhaps but be careful about the use of the puppy from the chocolate Fellf1 ...You are risking deformities of the teeth mating this dog to Firebird’s puppies

 

It then shows an ilustration of a rocky over quest for a new rocky bred stud!..(MASK.IMO .THE CLUES IN THE NAME )

 

I was unsure say 50/50 but now these picys have tipped the balance to me as the coats from the fell are there ...and these two pups would with quest in the peds be 25% fell hence the coats....the mating that is reckoned to be that rocky over a rupets daughter stormbird (aka ..was called maggot) would produce, as history shows loads of white on the rump. I doubt the mating of rocky to his neice would produce a caped dog like mask anyway ..when i first saw him at the avfs his chest and ears smacked of quest. Soon after the unsigned pedigres appeared, from cp.

 

If they suit tho then fine.