Plummer terriers

[stormyboy 1,352]

Tidy pups t.t. Are they the f1 or f2?

 

 

f1s nice one bill your speciality

 

Thats the punchline? You forgot the icon,which would have made it even more witty and cutting.

You constantly resort to childish insults when your Outlandish and spurious claims are questioned- the "mother ship"of the plummer terrier? Get real ffs. Masterbaker was almost the correct claim. Your posts invariably make such claims as-"bred more plummer terriers than anyone alive or dead". You then say that you only breed when you want a pup-"say 3 or 4 litters per year". Inconsistant at best. You also the have the front to criticise other folk for breeding for money! Priceless.

I'm afraid its obvious to the vast majority of plummer owners that the plummer terrier is the means to boost your ego rather than any selfless devotion to the breed. This fact is clearly illustrated by your comments of "being a big fish in a little pond" in previous threads-hardly an attitude conducive to the good of the breed?

Try a paddle in the big sea-or do you fear you may drown into obscurity? Maybe best you keep bolstering your ego and insecurities in your puddle and carry on denigrating all others as is your want.

Wake up and smell the coffee glen-there are OTHER plummer terriers out there besides yours. Some very nice ones.

It is no wonder you are not popular in plummer circles and indeed the wider terrier world-try a little humility instead of your pompous boasts and ridiculing of others.

And try using your spellcheck.

 

Seems your read more into the threads than is actulay written Bill..Im just stating the facts as is ..f1s .lol hit a nerve bill the f1 king ..proove me wrong im sure you have great knowledge of the breed in your extensive years within the breed tell us allabout the registered 16 dogs you bred last born in 1994 ..so prey tell us all about YOUR dynasty ...of f1 and 2s .

 

 

The difference is that I dont make such ridiculous claims. Another point-I did not register ANY of mine,i did not and still dont agree with breeding for colour/pattern above all else as the pta did under your dictatorship. THEY WERE REGISTERED THROUGH THE BACK DOOR BY YOUR GOOD SELF! FACT.

"Read more into the threads that is actually written" No glenn,your posts are self promoting shite that you obviously believe. And childish petulant insults? "Bill the f1 king". Pathetic and a perfect illustration of my previous post. I rest my case. Now run along to your little puddle where you can be the big fish in to the few members you have-NONE OF THE ADULTS BUY YOUR BULLSHIT.

[goldfinch2007 2,331]

a plummer thread ending in a row,thats a new one

[stormyboy 1,352]

a plummer thread ending in a row,thats a new one

 

Wouldnt be the same without one goldy!

Just couldnt take any more!

[goldfinch2007 2,331]

buy a plummer boys,it comes with free valium and a health warning cheer up bill.i know what you had

[stormyboy 1,352]

Cheers goldie-let the dogs do the talking i say. Endless boasting often means an inferiority complex-And like my old dad says-those with an inferiority complex usually deserve it!

[EPTR 4]

28 30 lbs Id say thats way to big for fox ..fit only for the others and with that much bull blood a waste of a plummer.

 

 

try telling her that! I used an apbt stud only because i couldnt locate a full bred working plummer here in ireland,her previous litter were by a plummer(ballina flynn) and i wanted to try something different.The half siblings were put over each other and i have 4 month pups that nobody could distinguish from a fullbred plummer and are showing all the right signs.I didnt just use any pitbull-searched long and hard ,maybe looked at 20 different studs until i found the one i wanted.Ive had no problems with dog aggression/kennel fights and have had more than 1 to ground at once.

 

if you want to see the pups they are probably still on donedeal.ie(2 that ive left arent for sale though).My original plummer bitch was out of alegion bred bitch by a tricolour plummer bred by a Mr johnson from wales.I didnt get papers with her_the litter was born on christmas day '04 and bred by d o conner ,galway-maybe some of her siblings were registered , i would be very interested to know her full pedigree.I cant see how i am doing anything different to legion kennels-brian plummer wasnt the only person ever, to know a thing or 2 about genetics.

there is an old breeding axiom "twice in ,once out"- stonehenge mentions this in his greyhound book of the 1850s,it worked then and it still does(i could shite on all day about alleles/genes etc but i wont)

I dont claim my dogs are fullbred plummers.Ill post a pic of the two half sisters

 

You live in Ireland Tiny Tiger, of course plummers have a bad name as Eire is the home of a lot of good black dogs and long may it continue. Why go to the hassle of breeding all this shite when you could have yourself a good black dog that will do the job? Personally i havn't seen too many plummers and i hope to f**k i don't see any in the near future around my end but its doubtful that there will because everybody knows a black dog is hard to beat

 

 

Quote-"Personally i HAVN'T SEEN too many plummers". How then can you pass an honest opinion of them? Good posts Tiny Tiger-and a good decision to steer clear of the clubs. Leave that to the self styled "saviours" to talk the talk-you keep on walking the walk. Folk like you out doing the job will do the Plummer terriers reputation more good than all the self promoters and clubs put together.

 

Above in bold your firt little childish petulany insult aimed (as always) at me and also the "clubs" not me Bill YOU SEEM TO BE INATLEY ABLE TO RATTLE YOUR OWN CAGE.

 

16 dogs registered yes didnt say by YOU ...did I nope said 16 registered dogs by the owners who as everyone was at the time open to register any legitmate terrier with a breeders pedigree..seems 16 is all thst you bred as the dates tally up..4 litters so id say with over 100 pups and 20 odd years fulltime service to the breed I may just pip you the post when it comes to ...what is and what is not a plummer terrier not that i give a monkeys but you seem to be biting so i will contiune

 

Riduclous claims defintion (Deserving or inspiring ridicule; absurd, preposterous, or silly.) ..so... Bill what part is ridiculous?

 

 

Self promotion ? by stating facts when asked is that self promotion or being polite and answering..or are you on about other threads just to try and load your twaddle up to make you feel secure.

 

SHOW ME A LIE BILL I HAVE SAID ON HERE ..IM WAITING...

 

 

puddle lol ... perhaps when the kc get hold of the breed there may be more breeders so i can have a challange ..but that challange for sure Bill will not come from your kennels or your own breeding as all you seem to be able to maintain is intense jealousy of clubs and lads doing ok without the f1 mongrol king to advise ..id say nip back to the plummer terrier network and be there one eyed king now thats what i call a small puddle

 

Let the dogs do the talking its a good job yours cant talk Bill :sick: ..Bill twaddle let the facts do the talking

 

Had enough yet or are you wishing to continue with "your dog talking b*****ks.." stuff.

[EPTR 4]

I TOTALY AGREE WITH DAVE A, I HAVE WORKED TERRIERS 4 25YRS, I SAY WORKED 4 U PLUMMER OWNERS, WORKED MEANS DIGGING 2 ( 1 ) SINGLE TERRIER 2 ITS QUARRY NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES THIS IS WHERE IT URNS THE TITLE WORKING TERRIER, NOT RATS,BUSHING,RABBITS, OR PUTTING A COUPLE A DOGS TO GROUND. THE WORKING TERRIER IS A SOLERTARY WORKER, NOT A PACK ANIMAL, I HAVE FIRST HANDED WITNESSED PLUMMERS AT DIGS TO MY OWN TERRIERS ON 3 SEPERATE OCCASIONS, THAY HAVE BEEN OFFERD THE WORK BEFORE MY TERRIERS, YES THAY FOUND, 5 MINUTES 1 BITE THEN OUT. ON ONE OCCASION I LET A PLUMMER HAVE A LOOK AT THE QUARRY SIDE OF MY DOG, NOT INTRESTED IN FOXY BUT TORE INTO THE BACK END OF MINE, PLUMMERS ARE NOT AND NEVER WILL BE WORKING TERRIERS. THERE RATTING PACK ANIMALS, AND VERY QUARELSOME. THIS IS WHY CERTAIN OWNERS OUTCROSS TO WORKERS OF OTHER TYPE, LIKE MY FRIEND AND TT

 

Care to enlighten us to whose these dogs were and how they were bred? ..or did they just look like Plummers bit like Bill the f1 kings dogs loookky likeys .

 

Funny you should say this about Plummers I had exactly the same experinace with a couple of nuttals terriers ..then again they may have been dwarf labradores as they were just black terriers..lol...

[stormyboy 1,352]

28 30 lbs Id say thats way to big for fox ..fit only for the others and with that much bull blood a waste of a plummer.

 

 

try telling her that! I used an apbt stud only because i couldnt locate a full bred working plummer here in ireland,her previous litter were by a plummer(ballina flynn) and i wanted to try something different.The half siblings were put over each other and i have 4 month pups that nobody could distinguish from a fullbred plummer and are showing all the right signs.I didnt just use any pitbull-searched long and hard ,maybe looked at 20 different studs until i found the one i wanted.Ive had no problems with dog aggression/kennel fights and have had more than 1 to ground at once.

 

if you want to see the pups they are probably still on donedeal.ie(2 that ive left arent for sale though).My original plummer bitch was out of alegion bred bitch by a tricolour plummer bred by a Mr johnson from wales.I didnt get papers with her_the litter was born on christmas day '04 and bred by d o conner ,galway-maybe some of her siblings were registered , i would be very interested to know her full pedigree.I cant see how i am doing anything different to legion kennels-brian plummer wasnt the only person ever, to know a thing or 2 about genetics.

there is an old breeding axiom "twice in ,once out"- stonehenge mentions this in his greyhound book of the 1850s,it worked then and it still does(i could shite on all day about alleles/genes etc but i wont)

I dont claim my dogs are fullbred plummers.Ill post a pic of the two half sisters

 

You live in Ireland Tiny Tiger, of course plummers have a bad name as Eire is the home of a lot of good black dogs and long may it continue. Why go to the hassle of breeding all this shite when you could have yourself a good black dog that will do the job? Personally i havn't seen too many plummers and i hope to f**k i don't see any in the near future around my end but its doubtful that there will because everybody knows a black dog is hard to beat

 

 

Quote-"Personally i HAVN'T SEEN too many plummers". How then can you pass an honest opinion of them? Good posts Tiny Tiger-and a good decision to steer clear of the clubs. Leave that to the self styled "saviours" to talk the talk-you keep on walking the walk. Folk like you out doing the job will do the Plummer terriers reputation more good than all the self promoters and clubs put together.

 

Above in bold your firt little childish petulany insult aimed (as always) at me and also the "clubs" not me Bill YOU SEEM TO BE INATLEY ABLE TO RATTLE YOUR OWN CAGE.

 

16 dogs registered yes didnt say by YOU ...did I nope said 16 registered dogs by the owners who as everyone was at the time open to register any legitmate terrier with a breeders pedigree..seems 16 is all thst you bred as the dates tally up..4 litters so id say with over 100 pups and 20 odd years fulltime service to the breed I may just pip you the post when it comes to ...what is and what is not a plummer terrier not that i give a monkeys but you seem to be biting so i will contiune

 

Riduclous claims defintion (Deserving or inspiring ridicule; absurd, preposterous, or silly.) ..so... Bill what part is ridiculous?

 

 

Self promotion ? by stating facts when asked is that self promotion or being polite and answering..or are you on about other threads just to try and load your twaddle up to make you feel secure.

 

SHOW ME A LIE BILL I HAVE SAID ON HERE ..IM WAITING...

 

 

puddle lol ... perhaps when the kc get hold of the breed there may be more breeders so i can have a challange ..but that challange for sure Bill will not come from your kennels or your own breeding as all you seem to be able to maintain is intense jealousy of clubs and lads doing ok without the f1 mongrol king to advise ..id say nip back to the plummer terrier network and be there one eyed king now thats what i call a small puddle

 

Let the dogs do the talking its a good job yours cant talk Bill :sick: ..Bill twaddle let the facts do the talking

 

Had enough yet or are you wishing to continue with "your dog talking b*****ks.." stuff.

 

 

 

Your doing it again!!! boasts and insults! I have not called you a liar or suggested that your dogs are crap in any way. What i am saying is that you appear to be a very insecure person,who feels the need to boast constantly that you are the "king" of the plummer terrier world and insult other peoples dogs-your post above illustrates that perfectly

 

See my post @ 10.01 yesterday.

 

Now no doubt you will be replying with some derogatory remarks about me,my dogs and anyone else that dare disagree with you-but at least try to be original and constructive-you have established that my terriers were crap and yours are the bestest in the whole wide world,and that you are the bestest most cleverest breeder in the whole universe.

 

AND FOR THE LAST TIME LEARN TO SPELL OR USE YOUR FECKING SPELL CHECK!! I dont mind the insults but it really hurts when its mis spelled.

[EPTR 4]

28 30 lbs Id say thats way to big for fox ..fit only for the others and with that much bull blood a waste of a plummer.

 

 

try telling her that! I used an apbt stud only because i couldnt locate a full bred working plummer here in ireland,her previous litter were by a plummer(ballina flynn) and i wanted to try something different.The half siblings were put over each other and i have 4 month pups that nobody could distinguish from a fullbred plummer and are showing all the right signs.I didnt just use any pitbull-searched long and hard ,maybe looked at 20 different studs until i found the one i wanted.Ive had no problems with dog aggression/kennel fights and have had more than 1 to ground at once.

 

if you want to see the pups they are probably still on donedeal.ie(2 that ive left arent for sale though).My original plummer bitch was out of alegion bred bitch by a tricolour plummer bred by a Mr johnson from wales.I didnt get papers with her_the litter was born on christmas day '04 and bred by d o conner ,galway-maybe some of her siblings were registered , i would be very interested to know her full pedigree.I cant see how i am doing anything different to legion kennels-brian plummer wasnt the only person ever, to know a thing or 2 about genetics.

there is an old breeding axiom "twice in ,once out"- stonehenge mentions this in his greyhound book of the 1850s,it worked then and it still does(i could shite on all day about alleles/genes etc but i wont)

I dont claim my dogs are fullbred plummers.Ill post a pic of the two half sisters

 

You live in Ireland Tiny Tiger, of course plummers have a bad name as Eire is the home of a lot of good black dogs and long may it continue. Why go to the hassle of breeding all this shite when you could have yourself a good black dog that will do the job? Personally i havn't seen too many plummers and i hope to f**k i don't see any in the near future around my end but its doubtful that there will because everybody knows a black dog is hard to beat

 

 

Quote-"Personally i HAVN'T SEEN too many plummers". How then can you pass an honest opinion of them? Good posts Tiny Tiger-and a good decision to steer clear of the clubs. Leave that to the self styled "saviours" to talk the talk-you keep on walking the walk. Folk like you out doing the job will do the Plummer terriers reputation more good than all the self promoters and clubs put together.

 

Above in bold your firt little childish petulany insult aimed (as always) at me and also the "clubs" not me Bill YOU SEEM TO BE INATLEY ABLE TO RATTLE YOUR OWN CAGE.

 

16 dogs registered yes didnt say by YOU ...did I nope said 16 registered dogs by the owners who as everyone was at the time open to register any legitmate terrier with a breeders pedigree..seems 16 is all thst you bred as the dates tally up..4 litters so id say with over 100 pups and 20 odd years fulltime service to the breed I may just pip you the post when it comes to ...what is and what is not a plummer terrier not that i give a monkeys but you seem to be biting so i will contiune

 

Riduclous claims defintion (Deserving or inspiring ridicule; absurd, preposterous, or silly.) ..so... Bill what part is ridiculous?

 

 

Self promotion ? by stating facts when asked is that self promotion or being polite and answering..or are you on about other threads just to try and load your twaddle up to make you feel secure.

 

SHOW ME A LIE BILL I HAVE SAID ON HERE ..IM WAITING...

 

 

puddle lol ... perhaps when the kc get hold of the breed there may be more breeders so i can have a challange ..but that challange for sure Bill will not come from your kennels or your own breeding as all you seem to be able to maintain is intense jealousy of clubs and lads doing ok without the f1 mongrol king to advise ..id say nip back to the plummer terrier network and be there one eyed king now thats what i call a small puddle

 

Let the dogs do the talking its a good job yours cant talk Bill :sick: ..Bill twaddle let the facts do the talking

 

Had enough yet or are you wishing to continue with "your dog talking b*****ks.." stuff.

 

 

 

Your doing it again!!! boasts and insults! I have not called you a liar or suggested that your dogs are crap in any way. What i am saying is that you appear to be a very insecure person,who feels the need to boast constantly that you are the "king" of the plummer terrier world and insult other peoples dogs-your post above illustrates that perfectly

 

See my post @ 10.01 yesterday.

 

Now no doubt you will be replying with some derogatory remarks about me,my dogs and anyone else that dare disagree with you-but at least try to be original and constructive-you have established that my terriers were crap and yours are the bestest in the whole wide world,and that you are the bestest most cleverest breeder in the whole universe.

 

AND FOR THE LAST TIME LEARN TO SPELL OR USE YOUR FECKING SPELL CHECK!! I dont mind the insults but it really hurts when its mis spelled.

 

As all my mates know i cant be assed with spell checking lifes to short.

 

Derogatory marks were from your lips first Bill for some reason you felt the need to assume I was the only person knowledgable to identify a Plummer terrier.

 

You appear to be upset by the facts that I then produced for the world to show that yes perhaps I do have some insite into the breed wheres your experiance in plummer terriers and there breeding is slight... proably less than legion in the modern years. call that boasting well if it means prooving my authority to write pedigrees is baosting then so be it.

 

The facts as read by all does'nt make me the savoiuor as you keep inssiting.

 

I just wanted to piont out that the person jabbing at me has virtualy nill experince in any purebred plummer terriers whatsoever and feels that soemone who obviuosly via proof has is simply puffing himself up..why would i want to puff myself up amongst your friends Bill?.... seeing as we've never ever met i dont feel the need to be one of the "let the dogs do the talking twaddle talkers"..my youd think your the only one ever dug a foxy, or owned some good working terriers .

 

Lets get back to it ... Bill you bred nowt but foxterrier cross russells (f1s) when did you ever get anything more than 2 generations of your own breeding in plummer types as they were then ?...be they workers or not. ???

 

The pedigrees of the plummer teriers today show nothing more than f1s from you Bill ..the ingredients for the master bakers cakes those master bakers were the lads and lasses that you didnt want to be seen dead with (becasue they bred to a standard NOT A DICTAORSHIP OF PREFERNCE FROM ME) ...wich also formed clubs and are doing well...now if you want to call that.... me calling your dogs crap and mine greatest ever of all the world and me being the saviouor of the breed ...then so be it I can live with your frustrations.

 

So what is a plummer terrier then Bill ?

[EPTR 4]

tiny ive sent 2 soon to be 3 males over and theres breeders over there from way back...besides phil and sonatal flyn (nailer x scorpio) good dog.

legion well nuf said .anything from nine is more bull blooded so anything from a apbt and legion has to be more bull than plummer.

 

DBp..as far as I can see theres not much purebreeding hes ever done.... infact in 1999 when he started medling the dogs were begining to right themselves and bred true outside influnces were disaperaing then ....bang plum does one. Quoteing the every "ten generations bang in some bull blood."

 

try telling any throurougbred race horse breeder to bang in a little bit of shire horse to get better bone every ten genertaioons and youd be laughed out of the place.

 

 

if you no about genetics you will know why they resemble plummers...but 30 lb dogs arent plummers!..make good drawing dogs mind.

 

by you can talk some shite.

 

As for showing yep not really my scene either.

 

these are terriers not racehorses you can talk some sh1te you can.

 

 

When Plummer tried to tell the committee of the jr club when he was chairman alittle about genetics he used gregor mendles pea experment ..you've just said what they said "these are terriers not peas!! " there retourt was our luck as he then went his own way and started work on the breed... Cleanspade now I know why you have legion stuff !!! ..how we laughed

[EPTR 4]

Well said stormyboy,just about says it all apart from the weekly adds in the cmw,occasional litter! .

 

read it again steve three litters a year at most ever! and yes it pays to be able to sell your stock..and thnaks to the countrymans weekly i have alot of calls at week resulting in a large waiting list.

 

you must find it hard breeding in the van on the road with that massive houndy lurcher wife kids and terriers ..ever feel like settling down ?

 

op.s pm me with your wifi dongal detaisl it most be great setup you have to be ble wonder around and still get broadband...the recption here is shite!

Edited May 18, 2010 by EPTR

[stormyboy 1,352]

You are doing it again-boasts and insults.

[he2macox 0]

diary of a hunter is an imense book well worth reading tells yu about the oridgen of the plummer as well

[goldfinch2007 2,331]

Well said stormyboy,just about says it all apart from the weekly adds in the cmw,occasional litter! .

 

read it again steve three litters a year at most ever! and yes it pays to be able to sell your stock..and thnaks to the countrymans weekly i have alot of calls at week resulting in a large waiting list.

 

you must find it hard breeding in the van on the road with that massive houndy lurcher wife kids and terriers ..ever feel like settling down ?

 

op.s pm me with your wifi dongal detaisl it most be great setup you have to be ble wonder around and still get broadband...the recption here is shite!

is that aimed at me glen im goldfinch not fireman.leave my background out of it :censored:you still catching mink in traps&pretend yer dogs caught them prick

Edited May 18, 2010 by goldfinch2007

[EPTR 4]

Well said stormyboy,just about says it all apart from the weekly adds in the cmw,occasional litter! .

 

read it again steve three litters a year at most ever! and yes it pays to be able to sell your stock..and thnaks to the countrymans weekly i have alot of calls at week resulting in a large waiting list.

 

you must find it hard breeding in the van on the road with that massive houndy lurcher wife kids and terriers ..ever feel like settling down ?

 

op.s pm me with your wifi dongal detaisl it most be great setup you have to be ble wonder around and still get broadband...the recption here is shite!

is that aimed at me glen im goldfinch not fireman.leave my background out of it :censored:you still catching mink in traps&pretend yer dogs caught them prick

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Wrong steve ...steve "H" ..why would i wnat to have ago at you?? ive never had a cross word or had to defend myself from you ..but seems you've jumped in and had a pop..have we ever hunted together ? or are you quoting anti welsby gossip!..and im the prick!

 

 

Bill you seem not to be able to answer he question?