Dutch Person Needed.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Ok, I've been digging away at the Family Tree again and have come up with a blinder. Seems one of my people married a Dutch girl! She was born in Rotterdam, 1866, and in those days, english girls were still being blessed with names like Harriet, Gertrude and Maud! So this may well seem a slightly odd name for a Dutch girl to have been given? I wouldn't know. That's just so's anyone in the know will be prepared for a possibly somewhat off base name.

 

It looks, to me, like JASSALEND. My main concern is that the first 'A' isn't an 'O' and that there's not supposed to be an 'E' on the end. It's taken from a hand written Census sheet of the time and those boys were also notorious for writing what they figured they'd just heard. There's also no guaranteeing that the lady could have spelled it out, even if the enumerator had asked her to. Plenty of people - my lot in particular - back in those days still signed with an " X " !

 

Lot of f*cking good They'd be in a forum, eh?

 

Here's how it appears on the original sheet:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for any help

[Rolfe 2]

Ok, I've been digging away at the Family Tree again and have come up with a blinder. Seems one of my people married a Dutch girl! She was born in Rotterdam, 1866, and in those days, english girls were still being blessed with names like Harriet, Gertrude and Maud! So this may well seem a slightly odd name for a Dutch girl to have been given? I wouldn't know. That's just so's anyone in the know will be prepared for a possibly somewhat off base name.

 

It looks, to me, like JASSALEND. My main concern is that the first 'A' isn't an 'O' and that there's not supposed to be an 'E' on the end. It's taken from a hand written Census sheet of the time and those boys were also notorious for writing what they figured they'd just heard. There's also no guaranteeing that the lady could have spelled it out, even if the enumerator had asked her to. Plenty of people - my lot in particular - back in those days still signed with an " X " !

 

Lot of f*cking good They'd be in a forum, eh?

 

Here's how it appears on the original sheet:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for any help

Jossalind or Jossalend looks like to me Ditch.

[speedlamper 0]

i've emailed my sis's boyfriend, he's dutch if he doesnt know his parents should

[KIPO 2]

Ok, I've been digging away at the Family Tree again and have come up with a blinder. Seems one of my people married a Dutch girl! She was born in Rotterdam, 1866, and in those days, english girls were still being blessed with names like Harriet, Gertrude and Maud! So this may well seem a slightly odd name for a Dutch girl to have been given? I wouldn't know. That's just so's anyone in the know will be prepared for a possibly somewhat off base name.

 

It looks, to me, like JASSALEND. My main concern is that the first 'A' isn't an 'O' and that there's not supposed to be an 'E' on the end. It's taken from a hand written Census sheet of the time and those boys were also notorious for writing what they figured they'd just heard. There's also no guaranteeing that the lady could have spelled it out, even if the enumerator had asked her to. Plenty of people - my lot in particular - back in those days still signed with an " X " !

 

Lot of f*cking good They'd be in a forum, eh?

 

Here's how it appears on the original sheet:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for any help

 

 

 

 

I have emailed a friend with your request and ill email you is reply if he can help

kipo

[Lennard 10]

Kan jij er wat van maken HH?

 

Jassalend doesn't make sense, not even in the old days.

 

Jossalind or Jossalinde sounds much more normal but it must be really rare, google NL does not give any hits...it is not a last name it seems. Ditch, the letters underneath the name might be important can we see them too? And is the first capitol really a J?

 

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[hollands hope 1,024]

well to me it looks like the third letter could be a (o) and the last letter a (e) because the use off the letter ( i) on the end off your first name is not common in holland , the letter (e)is used at the end, also its a very old fashioned name probebly and not in use anymore i never heard off it could be joosalinde but this contradicts with the letter (e) between the (L) and the(n)

Edited March 11, 2008 by hollands hope

[hollands hope 1,024]

looking a bit closer it could be that the person who did write this signature wasn,t a good writer and switch,t the letters e and i than it could be joosalinde

Edited March 12, 2008 by hollands hope

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

F*cking hell! Am I ever glad I asked! This is what I'm good at, see? Turning stones. I'm the family historian and have always had a thing about digging into our past. I'm building a massive and detailed 'Tree' and always like to corroberate my facts. Looks like I've found a Real bone here then, eh?

 

Lennard; The name beneath it is irrelivent as that's just " Frederick ", her husbands name. They wrote each persons details on a long, horizontal line.

 

Is the first letter a 'J' ? Yeppers. I checked against how this ennumerator had spelled better known and more decipherable words and names. That's his " J ".

 

It's definately her first name too. Her surname was the same as Fred's, they being man and wife by that time.

 

As said in my original Post; People in those days were not half as litterate as we tended to be in my time - I'm allowing for the fact that so many youngsters these days are Remedial Class material, capable only of grunting in speech and writing in " Text ", thus is british society regressing. And, as also stated, the guy on the door step tended to write what he percieved. Thus, if one said, " My name's Albert Wight ", the entry would probably read " Albert White." See? I'm painfully aware of this as one of my own family names is spelt slightly differently from the british norm. Thus, on B/M/D Certificates and on the GRO's registry, we normally have it right, where the person, parent or what ever has spelled it out. At 22:00 on a doorstep, among thousands of doorsteps that night? The guy with the clip board just wanted to get ye down and get on. He wouldn't be asking and was probably barely listening.

 

So; How about if we f*ck the spelling off and try tossing it around Phonetically? Remembering, of course, it may well have been the young lady herself who was informing the enumerator. Thus she'd have had a strongly Dutch accent. God alone knows what she might have said that night. But a bone weary, bored and half attentive british ear certainly Thought he heard her say something very much like " Jazallend ". Put like that, it makes me think of a Dutch form of " Jaqueline ". Like Peter / Piere.

 

Any of that helping jog minds? I look foreward to what ever you e mailers might yet turn up to

[speedlamper 0]

you dont have any asian or muslim relatives do you ds? best we could come up with is jass alend, jass is a surname and alend is a forename, both of muslim origin, who happen to put there surnames first hence jass alend

 

could that be a possibilty?

[Kay 3,709]

F*cking hell! Am I ever glad I asked! This is what I'm good at, see? Turning stones. I'm the family historian and have always had a thing about digging into our past. I'm building a massive and detailed 'Tree' and always like to corroberate my facts. Looks like I've found a Real bone here then, eh?

 

Lennard; The name beneath it is irrelivent as that's just " Frederick ", her husbands name. They wrote each persons details on a long, horizontal line.

 

Is the first letter a 'J' ? Yeppers. I checked against how this ennumerator had spelled better known and more decipherable words and names. That's his " J ".

 

It's definately her first name too. Her surname was the same as Fred's, they being man and wife by that time.

 

As said in my original Post; People in those days were not half as litterate as we tended to be in my time - I'm allowing for the fact that so many youngsters these days are Remedial Class material, capable only of grunting in speech and writing in " Text ", thus is british society regressing. And, as also stated, the guy on the door step tended to write what he percieved. Thus, if one said, " My name's Albert Wight ", the entry would probably read " Albert White." See? I'm painfully aware of this as one of my own family names is spelt slightly differently from the british norm. Thus, on B/M/D Certificates and on the GRO's registry, we normally have it right, where the person, parent or what ever has spelled it out. At 22:00 on a doorstep, among thousands of doorsteps that night? The guy with the clip board just wanted to get ye down and get on. He wouldn't be asking and was probably barely listening.

 

So; How about if we f*ck the spelling off and try tossing it around Phonetically? Remembering, of course, it may well have been the young lady herself who was informing the enumerator. Thus she'd have had a strongly Dutch accent. God alone knows what she might have said that night. But a bone weary, bored and half attentive british ear certainly Thought he heard her say something very much like " Jazallend ". Put like that, it makes me think of a Dutch form of " Jaqueline ". Like Peter / Piere.

 

Any of that helping jog minds? I look foreward to what ever you e mailers might yet turn up to

 

My moms doing her family tree at the min & she has traced back on her fathers side a few generations, one thing puzzled us though a great uncle of my moms was listed as having taken the sirname of his wife , we tracked his wifes birth certificate & the name he took was her maiden name, the only logical thing we could think of was her family were well to do & he was listed as living with his wifes family at the time the census was done

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

A great uncle of my moms was listed as having taken the surname of his wife ..... the name he took was her maiden name.

 

 

This rings a bell, Kay! It's later than hell here, right now. And I've been IMSing with a relative as I worked - painfully slowly, of course, inside my own 'Tree site. I'm just about fried. But I Think I might have brushed against the 'accepted' reason for this 'behaviour' before.

 

Ye mum's doing it. And she's traced back " A few generations " ? Forgive me but, she's either a bit new to it or else isn't exactly in full cry. Yeah? What I'm suggesting is; She may not yet have too much experience Or experience of where to find the answers to such quandries? Just a thought.

 

What - if any - site(s) does she utilise in her quest? And has she tried checking " Ancestral Trails " by Herber? Any half decent referance library should have a copy. I have my own copy here. But I'm a swish c*** and never really needed to read into it. It's a book of almost biblical proportions and Might have a clue to what ye facing there though? Failing that; I may still know a man who likely will. Only put ye back a tenner to ask him - and gain a whole shit load more.

 

 

 

 

The only logical thing we could think of was her family were well to do & he was listed as living with his wifes family at the time the census was done.

 

 

Sorry. No.

 

When a Census Enumerator called ~ see my Posts above ~ he recorded everyone in that dwelling and who had spent the preceeding night there. Each and every person was listed by fact. Be it Head of the household. Wife, son, daughter, cousin, niece, mother, servent, lodger, guest, visiting " Actress " (Yeppers! I've Actually come across That! F*cking Sixteen she was too! )

 

But anyway, no; The name and details he'd have given would've been correct. It was all strictly confidential don't forget. Didn't matter a shit what ye told The Man. So, no; If he took the wifes maiden name, he really did. And there Is a recognised reason for it. I just can't put my finger on it right now.

 

Damn! Ye've got me itching again now! This game's an Addiction!

[Kay 3,709]

A great uncle of my moms was listed as having taken the surname of his wife ..... the name he took was her maiden name.

 

 

This rings a bell, Kay! It's later than hell here, right now. And I've been IMSing with a relative as I worked - painfully slowly, of course, inside my own 'Tree site. I'm just about fried. But I Think I might have brushed against the 'accepted' reason for this 'behaviour' before.

 

Ye mum's doing it. And she's traced back " A few generations " ? Forgive me but, she's either a bit new to it or else isn't exactly in full cry. Yeah? What I'm suggesting is; She may not yet have too much experience Or experience of where to find the answers to such quandries? Just a thought.

 

What - if any - site(s) does she utilise in her quest? And has she tried checking " Ancestral Trails " by Herber? Any half decent referance library should have a copy. I have my own copy here. But I'm a swish c*** and never really needed to read into it. It's a book of almost biblical proportions and Might have a clue to what ye facing there though? Failing that; I may still know a man who likely will. Only put ye back a tenner to ask him - and gain a whole shit load more.

 

 

 

 

The only logical thing we could think of was her family were well to do & he was listed as living with his wifes family at the time the census was done.

 

 

Sorry. No.

 

When a Census Enumerator called ~ see my Posts above ~ he recorded everyone in that dwelling and who had spent the preceeding night there. Each and every person was listed by fact. Be it Head of the household. Wife, son, daughter, cousin, niece, mother, servent, lodger, guest, visiting " Actress " (Yeppers! I've Actually come across That! F*cking Sixteen she was too! )

 

But anyway, no; The name and details he'd have given would've been correct. It was all strictly confidential don't forget. Didn't matter a shit what ye told The Man. So, no; If he took the wifes maiden name, he really did. And there Is a recognised reason for it. I just can't put my finger on it right now.

 

Damn! Ye've got me itching again now! This game's an Addiction!

 

Yes my moms not got regular enough access to a pc to do a great deal , but i have found out theres a chap in the village who is really well clued up on these matters , so he is going to point her in the right direction, but i would like to know as well why he took his wifes maiden name, your right its very interesting, even just scratching the surface has revealed some good stuff

[hollands hope 1,024]

well any progress yet ditch shitter or

Edited March 13, 2008 by hollands hope

[whip 1]

don't want to be the one to piss on your fireworks ds but i think there's a real chance she won't be in good shape if you find her,1866!!!!

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

HH; I've got plenty of avenues to follow yet, mate. I've even been directed to a Dutch equivellent of the sort of regestries I pursue for english ancestors.

 

Thing is though, genealogy's a fickle practice. Like, a couple of days ago I was going flat out to find what I might about this lady. Last night, brain tired from all that, I stated digging afresh at her husbands people - and At Last - sussed out one of my multipli 'Great' Grandma's Been after her for bloody years now. Never a whiff. I'll try to slot her details in, later tonight. Then I'll probably pass out still searching for more on her.

 

Tomorrow I may be working with a still living cousin. Or maybe I'll be stitching in my own former addresses. And so on. But, one of these days, I'll come back to our mysterious Duch woman and shall once again go hell for leather to find out what more I can on her.

 

But that's the way of it. I find it actually pays to allow ones self to become distracted and wander off on a completely different line. It's when I happen upon someone a second or third time that I tend to forge ahead and crack them.

 

I'll get there