A new Group for us all to unite behind

[Foxgun Tom 75]

You'll never have "The Super Fieldsports Organisation" that caters for everyone by agreement of the organisations already in place? You will only achieve it by consensus and agreement of the majority of ordinary fieldsports enthusiasts

 

Tom

 

cheers tom ,its a bit shitty how we cant all pull together and have a bit more clout ,so is there a way forward for us ?????

[pritch 335]

therefore it is up to people to join an organisation that represents us all & equally you have far more clout all behind one banner divided we fall & have fallen. Regards Pritch

[The Sporting Agent 0]

I agree with your pints Tom, and am especially sad about the story of the Scotish CA Chief Exec, but am not really surprised by it. I'm not going to defend what he said at all, I don't know the situation but I'm sure part of it might have been based on them thinking the battle was being lost, lets throw this out there and hop for the best, hang them out to dry to save something else. And thats wrong.

 

I agree with what you say about a super organisation; in the sence of an amalgamation of what we have - it'll never happen. And TBH I don't tjhink it sould. Like them or lothe them; the existing organisations do play a part, nobody represents land owners and rural businesses beter than the CLA, likewise shooting and BASC, moorland managers and conservationists the GCT etc etc. No one organisation will take away the specialist skill they offer their members or the power and clout that larger Lomdon based ors have.....

 

.....But what we don't have, could have, should have and will have is a group that ALL field sports fans can unite behind to carry the flag for field sports to the public; a loby, a pressure group, a marketing board, call it what you will. It will never ditract from the likes of BASC or CA, but it will unite everyone with a common goal and sence of purpose.

 

We don't need another BASC/CA; we don't need another organisations insurance, we don't need another firearms expert; we get those things from existing "clubs"; we need a banner to unite behind to show our unity and support, to promose andteach our sport and way of life.

[tango 221]

I agree with your pints Tom, and am especially sad about the story of the Scotish CA Chief Exec, but am not really surprised by it. I'm not going to defend what he said at all, I don't know the situation but I'm sure part of it might have been based on them thinking the battle was being lost, lets throw this out there and hop for the best, hang them out to dry to save something else. And thats wrong.

 

I agree with what you say about a super organisation; in the sence of an amalgamation of what we have - it'll never happen. And TBH I don't tjhink it sould. Like them or lothe them; the existing organisations do play a part, nobody represents land owners and rural businesses beter than the CLA, likewise shooting and BASC, moorland managers and conservationists the GCT etc etc. No one organisation will take away the specialist skill they offer their members or the power and clout that larger Lomdon based ors have.....

 

.....But what we don't have, could have, should have and will have is a group that ALL field sports fans can unite behind to carry the flag for field sports to the public; a loby, a pressure group, a marketing board, call it what you will. It will never ditract from the likes of BASC or CA, but it will unite everyone with a common goal and sence of purpose.

 

We don't need another BASC/CA; we don't need another organisations insurance, we don't need another firearms expert; we get those things from existing "clubs"; we need a banner to unite behind to show our unity and support, to promose andteach our sport and way of life.

could only be good for the countryside if we could get a collective voice to speak.im in northern ireland and we are next on the hit list so to speak so if a group was formed then i would like to be part of it.the way i see it is yes we can sit and worry about it not going right but if we dont try we will never know

[zap 4]

well i think its pretty dawn poor the amount of members on here compared to the amount of votes ,i guess we should just roll over and die

[ChrisJones 7,975]

I was just thinking that myself Zap. 54 at this moment... on a site of 7000+

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Make that 8000+

[The Sporting Agent 0]

Some of you may have seen the thread pinned at the top of this forum concerning field sports/country organisations.

 

There is a lot of information in there, as well as in the sporting press and eleswhere about the need for a cohesive stance on "pro hunting" from the organisations we are all members of; indead they acknowledge it themselves and pretend to join forces for this or that piece of legislation; but while they have dedicated areas of expertese and wish to fight to protect their little corner of field sports, we as a hunting population will never be united to fight and win over public opinion of what we do, and I think we all know deep down that what the public at large think and feel is important, its just unfortunate that when it comes to field sports that in the main it is based on missinformation, half truths, lies and apathy.

 

Its time something was done to address this; without trying to fight the recognised organisation into uniting. They play valid and important roles, but we as sporting folk have no unity in the cause and need to come together to do what we can, people from all corners of the field sports world to teach, inform, show and persuade the public that what we do is legal, right, helthy, clean, important, fun and NOT cruel; especially when compared with other more accepted forms of animal cruelty that are nothing to do with hunting or field sports.

 

I propose the formation of a club; an organisation (not another one!!!?) in which we can all unite, to help atchieve this end. This club will not provide you with insurance policies or anything else that the likes of BASC or the CA does, it is not intended to compete against them. What it will do is unite everyone, regardless of type of hunting sport, regardless of "class" or family income, weather they are from rural, suburban or urban backgrounds; it will go out and activly encourage new participation in our sports, organise local, regional and national events and open days to promote what we do; it will market field sports to the public. It wil be a club/organisation run by volunteers in which everyone can have a say, and everyone and anyone can get involved.

 

I would propose that it be run as a registered charity or not for profit organisation, with a reprasentative board made up of members that encompass not only all field sports but all classes and that the board works with small comitees in each region of the UK (and N I) to work towards a defined set of goals

 

I would like some feedback on this idea, if you think it a good one, that moght work, that it will never work, that it could work if it was done like this or like that......anything, please; its time something was done to bring us all together!

 

Thanks, Chris

[The Sporting Agent 0]

I was just thinking that myself Zap. 54 at this moment... on a site of 7000+

 

Maybe thats a sighn of the apathy creaping in maybe its a sighn of people only reading what they see is the latest topic that interests them ie dogs; shooting; falconry etc

 

But one thing is for sure; its a sigh that there needs to be something done, to bring us together into whay would be one hell of a formidable force!

[Guest nitevision]

would it be a bit like the peoples popular front of judea

[Andrea 2]

I'm interested Christopher. I think it could work, i believe idea's only fail when people lack enthusiasm, however, i wonder have you any thought as to how you would set this up? Particularly in regards to it being a charity organisation? And have you any idea's as to what will be included in this organisation or will it just be like minded people who meet, talk and support each other?

Edited March 11, 2008 by Andrea

[The Sporting Agent 0]

I'm interested Christopher. I think it could work, i believe idea's only fail when people lack enthusiasm, however, i wonder have you any thought as to how you would set this up? Particularly in regards to it being a charity organisation? And have you any idea’s as to what will be included in this organisation or will it be a meeting of like minded people?

 

I've got a few ideas on both fronts, organisation and set-up but I'm here looking for feedback and advise, good or bad so the floor is open.........The basis obviously is for a meeting of likeminded people, but with a structure, a goal, and defined targets for success.

The key aim being to unite us all, the second being the marketing and promotion of our sport. Without the first, the second will never properly happen.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

I think it sounds great although I agree with Andrea. Apathy will be the biggest killer.

 

I think we have something here that no one else does. A forum. That would make it accessible and most importantly... free! Might be worth having a chat with IanB about having a special section to discuss such matters?

 

The dangers, of such an endeavour, can be seen in the other groups and what they have done wrong. I'd leave money out of it until you absolutely have to because people will think the worst...

 

Sounds good to me though.

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Don't want to put a dampener on it but this is just wacky!! Do you know the in and outs of gaining charity status?? and what conditions are put on charities ie: non political status or affilliations therefore no lobbying you mention over 8,000 members on this site as prospective members of any organisation you put forward. just how many of the 8,000 are pro active on this site??, very view I gauge?? who are the individuals who'll sit on the board of this charity trust? where will funding come from?? wether you believe this or not its another divisive tactic which will fragment the other organisation allready in place, They allready make a good job of that themselves??, This whole proposal is reminiscent of Peter the Hermit recruiting for the crusades full of good intentions and doomed to failure.

 

Sporting Agent I don't know what makes you tick?? or wether you are genuine I'd like to think you are, honest but misguided, you put up a poll asking about membership of Countryside Organisations and who's a member of what?? In that poll you mention BASC, CLA, (both of which your a member) the Countryside Alliance etc: but no mention of the Scottish Association for Countrysports, (or was it deliberately ignored to promote organisations with single agendas eg: BASC= shooting Countryside Alliance = mounted packs) despite threads on here dedicated to it!! and indeed there is a SACs Hunting Life members club. I would suggest that it is the frontrunner in the any others group and currently lying third

 

I don't need to be a member of an organisation that truly caters for every-one Lurcher/Terriers Anglers, Falconers, Guns, Coursing, and foxhunting I'm allready a member of an organisation that allready does all of this and more!!!!!!!!!!!!, I'm a member of SACs and work up too four hours a day volountarily for them, and more during game-fair season I'm there because the organisation is commited to all countryside pursuits and members not just for cheap insurance

 

without being anymore pedantic I'll stick with the devil I know!! rather than jump into bed with new one's I don't or the old one's who don't give a feck!!

 

Tom

[Stabs 3]

I tend to agree with Tom on this one. An organisation that we can all unite behind is a wonderful idea but there's loads of other organisations out there will similar ideas and we would be in danger of splitting the support base even more than it already is. I disagree with what Andrea says about ideas only failing through lack of enthusiasm. Ideas can fail because they are simply bad ideas. I admite the sentiment but charitable status for a pro-hunt lobby group? I can't see it somehow. Apologies if this comes accross as pessismistic....but I just don't see it.