Guest ESS Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 A bit sneaky this!! and fundamentaly wrong this is not a merging of two topics?? this is now one topic using posts from an originall thread that was based on a poll. I am absolutely disgusted and appalled that a tactic like this woud be used and infringes a mods integrity with methods like this being used to promote this fiasco, I now feel vindcated in not supporting it. It's a bloody travesty and a disgrace If the Sporting Agent was looking for allies in this venture by engaging the support of current organisations and their members? don't count on SAC's co-operation By merging two posts it does not reflect the true interest that was in these subject/subjects. Its now!! vote rigging and manipulation of the very worst kind and it stinks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tom I This thread now no longer reflects the original topics, or hits/views its been manipulated to show its had more interest than it actually had shame shame on the people concerned Topics Merged And Pinned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Please!! don't tell me to calm down as I'm extremely calm and this is a crock of shit!! This issue is not about SACs or any other organisation in the scheme of things, therefore don't deflect the issue I could'nt give a rats arse about what you thing about SAC's or me!! All I see is manipulation and conivance on your part to put your point across and thats self evident in the merging of two topics an issue that you've avoided to comment on!! As for SAC's changing it name why!! we allready have a SAC's Norhern Ireland run by By Northern Irish guys if it works there it can work in England and Wales Tom I'm sorry but the way your posts comme accross, with words hilighted in bold and with "!!!!" after some words don't give the impression that you are extremely calm. You mention manipulation on my part, which you pick out that I did not answer in my last post; I didn't answer because the merging of threads is nothing to do with me. I don't have the ability to merge any thread or make administrative changes just like no other members do. Yet more "!!!!" and bold type.... The fact that you have a SACS team operating in NI is great, and indead that you hope to follow that out with regional representation in Wales and England. It doesn't change what I said about the percieved branding though. You say this issue is not about SACS or any other org; I agree with you, its about finding a way of uniting to promote and fight for field sports, the issue of other orgs comes in by virtue of the fact that on the whole this is lacking in the direction taken by the existing recognised organisations. You however, do seem to be making it about SACS through your comments and tone; why didn't I include SACS, SACS wants nothing to do with this, SACS does this, SACS does that...... Like I have and will keep saying; this is no slight on SACS or the other orgs, as you have righlty pointed out some of which I am a member; I like many others derive benefit from my membership; but I also see that there is something lacking, something that in fairness can not be addressed by the formal organisations because of their structure. Maybe my idea is untenable, maybe it will work; who knows; but there certanly needs to be something, direction or unity. If as SACS develops it forms that unity and coverage, great. Only time will tell. But one thig is for sure, nothing will happen at the behest or development of the likes of BASC, CA, NGO etc Edited; I see that you have now edited your post in red to highlight more points agressivly; my commenting of your unlikelyhood to offer support to my idea was incorrect and I appologise for the way my response wrongly quoted you, it was mistake and not an intentional slur. However my coments that you have seemingly negative views on me personally are not missleading, they are based on your reaction in text to what I write. Everyone is free to not agree, as many have, but not everyone uses terms like crock of shite, or fiasco and suggests that I am manipulating people with what I write or because the thread is mearged. These are comments aimed at me personally, not at my idea, or indead at the Moderating or Asmin staff who may have made the thread changes. This leads me to believe that these views are more about me than my idea. I'm more than big and ugly enough to accept them. I think we will have to agree to disagree, which I think is a shame as we areobviously both passionate about our beliefs and fundementally believe the same. That field sports aught to and will come out on top. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ESS Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Fao Sporting Agent!!! Please!! don't tell me to calm down as I'm extremely calm and this is a crock of shit!! This issue is not about SACs or any other organisation in the scheme of things, therefore don't deflect the issue I could'nt give a rats arse about what you think about SAC's or me!! and to suggest I have certain views about you personally is false and misleading, You don't even know me to know what I think or believe in!! All I see is manipulation and conivance on your part to put your point across and thats self evident in the merging of two topics an issue that you've avoided to comment on!! As for SAC's changing it name why!! we allready have a SAC's Norhern Ireland run by By Northern Irish guys if it works there it can work in England and Wales And don't put words into my mouth" I never said you would'nt get the support of SAC's I said "don't count on it" see quote more manipulation on your part quote " If the Sporting Agent was looking for allies in this venture by engaging the support of current organisations and their members? don't count on SAC's co-operation" end quote I would ask respectfully that you don't misquote me to justify your own ends and arguement Tom Ive read both threads from start to finish Tom and I cant see what the problem is,with merging the threadsT.S.A. has taken a fair bit of flak over this idea,hes floated the idea and by the response it may not go anywhere.I can see in boths your post that you may have one thing in common is passion about Field Sports.Myself I dont think the Sporting Agents idea wont get off the ground Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) Fao TSA A direct quote from you re: SAC's!! "the name implies that it is region specific" Scotland is not a region its a country in its own right!! exactly the same as England as Wales and Northern Ireland is a province (all the home countries deserve our mutual respect). To tell a Scot is country is a region is deeply insulting That might be what BASC and the CA refer to us as and you showing your ignorance of the demographics, culture and history of Scotland and its people We have our own government, language education, legal and health system We are not a region of North Britain or the UK. Your bound to get a lot of support from Scots in particular by intimating Scotland is a region? show some respect!! Tom Edited March 13, 2008 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Ive read both threads from start to finish Tom and I cant see what the problem is,with merging the threadsT.S.A. has taken a fair bit of flak over this idea,hes floated the idea and by the response it may not go anywhere.I can see in boths your post that you may have one thing in common is passion about Field Sports.Myself I dont think the Sporting Agents idea wont get off the ground Again, another honest response, thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Jesus! Reading through this thred, it's quite obvious why lurcher & terrier folk steer well clear of getting overly involved in most 'supportive groups', far far better to plough a lone furrow.....and thats a real shame!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Fao TSA A direct quote from you re: SAC's!! "the name implies that it is region specific" Scotland is not a region its a country in its own right!! exactly the same as England as Wales and Northern Ireland is a province (all the home countries deserve our mutual respect). To tell a Scot is country is a region is deeply insulting That might be what BASC and the CA refer to us as and you showing your ignorance of the demographics, culture and history of Scotland and its people We have our own government, language education, legal and health system We are not a region of North Britain or the UK. Your bound to get a lot of support from Scots in particular by intimating Scotland is a region? show some respect!! Tom Tom you are really flying off the mark now. My referance to Scotland (and England, Wales and N.I) as a region has nothing to do with its cultural identity and everything to do with it being a specific geographic area within a larger region which makes up the UK. Yes, Scotland is a country in its own right, I have never and will never say otherwise, but for the basis of a UK wide organisation it (like Wales, England and N.I) may quite reasonably be refered to as a region - of an organisation that operates all over the UK, to put it in context. In the same way that should one want to break the UK into even smaller regions (for example operational reasons), one might resonably have North of Scotland, South of Scotland, North of England, Midlands, South of England etc etc Before you go off on a tirade implying I am insulting Scots or that I am showing ignorance of culture or history, be asured as someone of Scots parentage (mixed Irish and Scots) born and brought up in North Wales, who speaks both Welsh and English fluently, I am not insulting anyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 I think we've got the perfect explanation of why one group for all wouldn't work. If the small percentage of feildsports enthusiasts that post on here can't agree, or even agree to disagree, then what chance is there that we could all unite under one banner. Noble cause TSA, but a dead one I'm afraid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crow 1 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 One guy puts forward an idea (and that's all it was) on how he sees fieldsportsmen and woman in this country uniting and he gets shot down for it! Seemingly he would have done better to put up pictures of a lurcher and three hares with the title 'pre ban pics' - that would surely have received more of a positive response. As has been said the views on this thread demonstrate far too clearly why Sporting Agents idea wouldn't work; it would only work if people approached it with an open mind and gave it a go! Sadly, it appears that for some people that hasn't even been a consideration. I don't know Sporting Agent, I've never met him and I doubt I ever will, but that wouldn't stop me supporting an idea of his if I thought it would work; I don't know anyone at the Countryside Alliance but that didn't stop me joining them! There is a definite need for all the fieldsports organisations of the UK to unite, and that's irrespective of their size or region (and I use the word region correctly, for it also means area or section; an area or section of the UK could be a town, county or Country!). However, that will never happen if it's left to the organisations alone quite simply because (in my opinion) they seem to be in competition with each other as to which is the biggest or best. It might just take someone like Sporting Agent to start the ball rolling - you never know it may just work. If it doesn't then so what, at least someone has tried. On the other hand it might work in which case it may help to safeguard the future hunting of those that have been quick to criticise him - something you all may want to think about for a minute! Personally I don't think Sporting Agents idea will work because I think he's starting in the wrong place. That's not to say that it couldn't work if it was approached from a different angle! Crow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ESS Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Fao TSA A direct quote from you re: SAC's!! "the name implies that it is region specific" Scotland is not a region its a country in its own right!! exactly the same as England as Wales and Northern Ireland is a province (all the home countries deserve our mutual respect). To tell a Scot is country is a region is deeply insulting That might be what BASC and the CA refer to us as and you showing your ignorance of the demographics, culture and history of Scotland and its people We have our own government, language education, legal and health system We are not a region of North Britain or the UK. Your bound to get a lot of support from Scots in particular by intimating Scotland is a region? show some respect!! Tom Tom what is your roll in SACS ...Are you the Public Relations Officer? In Sport Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) "Development Officer" (volountarily/unsalaried) this includes promoting the organisation and its members,their interests, help with recruitment at show's etc: and sometimes help with legal advice and any other issues a member or prospective member may have.? That's my interest declared!! anything else you need to know just ask Tom Edited March 13, 2008 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 "Development Officer" (volountarily/unsalaried) this includes promoting the organisation and its members,their interests, help with recruitment at show's etc: and sometimes help with legal advice and any other issues a member or prospective member may have.? That's my interest declared!! anything else you need to know just ask Tom What colour are your Y fronts Tom? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 "Development Officer" (volountarily/unsalaried) this includes promoting the organisation and its members,their interests, help with recruitment at show's etc: and sometimes help with legal advice and any other issues a member or prospective member may have.? That's my interest declared!! anything else you need to know just ask Tom What colour are your Y fronts Tom? Got to be honest Tom, not on this thred! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ratman2 2 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 "Development Officer" (volountarily/unsalaried) this includes promoting the organisation and its members,their interests, help with recruitment at show's etc: and sometimes help with legal advice and any other issues a member or prospective member may have.? That's my interest declared!! anything else you need to know just ask Tom Nice one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ragumup Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 One guy puts forward an idea (and that's all it was) on how he sees fieldsportsmen and woman in this country uniting and he gets shot down for it! Seemingly he would have done better to put up pictures of a lurcher and three hares with the title 'pre ban pics' - that would surely have received more of a positive response. As has been said the views on this thread demonstrate far too clearly why Sporting Agents idea wouldn't work; it would only work if people approached it with an open mind and gave it a go! Sadly, it appears that for some people that hasn't even been a consideration. I don't know Sporting Agent, I've never met him and I doubt I ever will, but that wouldn't stop me supporting an idea of his if I thought it would work; I don't know anyone at the Countryside Alliance but that didn't stop me joining them! There is a definite need for all the fieldsports organisations of the UK to unite, and that's irrespective of their size or region (and I use the word region correctly, for it also means area or section; an area or section of the UK could be a town, county or Country!). However, that will never happen if it's left to the organisations alone quite simply because (in my opinion) they seem to be in competition with each other as to which is the biggest or best. It might just take someone like Sporting Agent to start the ball rolling - you never know it may just work. If it doesn't then so what, at least someone has tried. On the other hand it might work in which case it may help to safeguard the future hunting of those that have been quick to criticise him - something you all may want to think about for a minute! Personally I don't think Sporting Agents idea will work because I think he's starting in the wrong place. That's not to say that it couldn't work if it was approached from a different angle! Crow agree , and am 100% behind the sporting agent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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